Israel runs away from nuclear summit

[Darth Rotor]

States such as the apartheid state of Israel clearly cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.

Oddly enough, that appears to be something they can be trusted with, given they seem to have had them for over thirty years and haven't used them.

Yet.

DR

 

[bigjelmapro]

How is it contrary to their national interests?

He speakth!

As to the how, start here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5923670&postcount=42

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

But surely you think North Korea can...

Evidence?

I notice that once again you post with no evidence. Tut Tut. At least you are consistent in your behaviour.


Where have I ever said that North Korea can be trusted with anything, never mind nuclear weapons.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

Oddly enough, that appears to be something they can be trusted with, given they seem to have had them for over thirty years and haven't used them.

Yet.

DR

On the basis of your own logic I guess the only state which cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons are those who have used them. Now, who are they again?

Hmmmm.

That apartheid state of Israel cannot be trusted to obey the law, so how does that make them trustworthy in any other sphere of human activity particularly in the nuclear sphere when they have lied about their weapons for thirty years?

I have a bridge for sale if you are interested.

 

[E.J.Armstrong]

He speakth!

As to the how, start here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5923670&postcount=42

I think what you mean is that the apartheid state of Israel thinks it can demand the protection of the international community while behaving against the rules of the international community.

Hypocrisy in other words

 

[bigjelmapro]

I think what you mean is that the apartheid state of Israel thinks it can demand the protection of the international community while behaving against the rules of the international community.

Hypocrisy in other words

Gee, I wish I could attach soundbites here of a baby crying because he went do-do in his diapers since that's all I see from the above reply. Completely gloosed over the post linked.

Is this you in the background @ 0:27?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHoXsgaUIA

 

[Zach Aviv]

Gee, I wish I could attach soundbites here of a baby crying because he went do-do in his diapers since that's all I see from the above reply. Completely gloosed over the post linked.

Is this you in the background @ 0:27?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHoXsgaUIA

You are good person. You personal attack people for telling truth about Jews. Seems forum allows posts against its rules. What is 'gloosed' ?

Poster E.J.Armstrong tell truth with his post. We must suppress this.

 

[Zach Aviv]

Um, why should Israel sign the NPT? Is it in thier national interest? I honestly don't know much about why they would or would not. What are the arguments for/against Israel signing the treaty.

If signing the treaty is not in their national interest, then you are the one thinking that they are somehow special, in that they should be forced to sign a treaty contrary to thier national interest.

We Jews will not sign NPT or admit to owning nuclear weapon America and France kindly gave us. We don't sign because we superior. We diminish issue and media we control make much of Iran non-nuke while not talking of Israel real-nuke. Take blinkers off to this. This is why Jews prevail.

 

[bigjelmapro]

You are good person. You personal attack people for telling truth about Jews. Seems forum allows posts against its rules. What is 'gloosed' ?

Poster E.J.Armstrong tell truth with his post. We must suppress this.

Glossed, but doubt its not really that difficult to see that...

Love the last part, thanks for the confirmation that you're simply a poser.

 

[Darth Rotor]

On the basis of your own logic I guess the only state which cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons are those who have used them.

Actually, we've had them for twice that time, and used them to end a war, not start one.

Definitely someone you can trust with nukes.

DR

 

[Trakar]

Actually, we've had them for twice that time, and used them to end a war, not start one.

Definitely someone you can trust with nukes.

DR

Too bad most of those people are gone and the current idiots have inherited the weapons.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Too bad most of those people are gone and the current idiots have inherited the weapons.

That risk is ever with us, and not just with nukes. Can't wish away the problem of brain malfunctions.

DR

 

[Thunder]

if none of Israel's enemies have nuclear weapons....why does Israel need nukes?

let alone 200 of them. seems like over-kill if you ask me.

 

[Darth Rotor]

if none of Israel's enemies have nuclear weapons....why does Israel need nukes?

let alone 200 of them. seems like over-kill if you ask me.

Look up the word deterrence.

One of the points of deterrence is to make the risk costs (or the perceived risk costs) of some courses of action not worth taking.

DR

 

[Zach Aviv]

Glossed, but doubt its not really that difficult to see that...

Love the last part, thanks for the confirmation that you're simply a poser.

Yes I am simply a poster. But an honest poster. We Jews can be trusted not to use our nuke on surrounding country. No point in conquer radioactive land.

 

[Thunder]

Look up the word deterrence.

what kind of country posesses 200 nuclear weapons to deter a conventional military assault?

are there any other nations on Earth that feel the need to engage in such disproportianate deterrance?

and considering Israel has maybe 6 Arab neighbors that may someday decide to attack them, why 200 nukes? why not just 20?

seems like with 200 nukes, the threat would not just to simply nuke any army that tries to invade, or even just the capitals of any country that invades, but to indeed enact a full-scale act of genocide against the entire Arab population.

indeed...with 200 nuclear weapons...you could very well kill the entire population of every Arab country on Earth, and all of Iran.

so basically, the threat is this:

"if the Muslims DARE to ever attack us again..and if it appears Israel may actually lose...we will kill every single Arab within 2,000 miles and all of Iran".

wow. nice.

 

[bigjelmapro]

'Disproportionate deterrance'. That's a new one.

 

[INRM]

Zach,

We are engineering a situation for Goy country to dismantle their nuclear systems eventually. Obama is helping do this for us. He will be well fed in retirement.
In meantime we continue to use media to make Zion nuclear a non issue while all focus is put on Iran nuke.

That is already being done, for the past couple of years actually.

This is true. We Jews are spreading depleted uranium over the Muslims through our Christian Crusader 'useful idiots' ( American Military). Even more birth defects. Even more inferior. Iran's days are number.

Assuming you're actually being serious here: You don't see a problem with this?


E.J. Armstrong,

In so many areas the apartheid state of Israel declares itself not to be a part of the international community.

Not exactly, they are part of the international community in the few times it suits their purpose. Otherwise they react with complete lack of concern to international law. They do this because they know they can get away with it by claiming "We're fighting for our survival" or by bringing up the Holocaust and all the grief they suffered through and sort of implying that this gives them the right to do whatever they please.

There is absolutely no ambiguity about Israel's nuclear status. It is the local nuclear superpower and has a nasty habit of killing or allowing the killing of huge numbers of civilians in massacres, such as Operation Cast White Phosphorus in Gaza and Sabra and Shatila and Deir Yassin.

They do it because they can. They do not have any concern for the people they kill, they view most arabs as automatically being terrorists by default and one arab being interchangeable with every other; they operate without concern for international law because they can get away with it; if any nation attempted to put sanctions on them, they'd cry about the Holocaust, sort of use it to suggest that because of the Holocaust, the can do anything they want with impunity; label anybody who opposes them as being anti-semitic, racist, and a nazi, and claim they're fighting for their survival.

Israel has a track record of assassinating untried people in circumstances that guarantee innocent women and children are killed

Because they don't care about the value of the arabs they attack. They view them all as having the value of being less than human, sort of animal like, as being a bunch of terrorists and interchangeable with one another.

This is the product of endemic dehumanization. Since all Israeli's have to serve in the armed-forces, they all are exposed to kind of this racist attitude and predictably, the attitude is surprisingly common (though certainly not all Israeli's view Arabs as being this way)

They know they can do as they please because nothing serious has ever happened to them for disregarding international law. Whenever anybody accused them of such they claimed that they're fighting for their survival; invoked the fact that the Jewish people had to suffer through the Holocaust, which apparently gives them the right to do anything they want; accused the opposition of anti-semitism/racism/being a nazi.

Israel has a track record of contempt for international law in general.

Except in the few circumstances it benefits themselves. Truthfully the U.S. often acts with a disregard for International Law, in a similar manner, but I'd have to say the actions of the Israelis are more egregious. They know they can get away with it for reasons I've listed several times over

- When criticized they claim they're fighting for their survival
- They invoke the fact that the Jewish people had to suffer through the holocaust, which apparently also means that they can do anything they want without punity
- They refer to opposition as being anti-semitic, or even being nazi's

Israel has a track record of ongoing collective and illegal punishment against complete groups of innocent men, women and children.

Because it's easier to attack huge numbers of people rather than isolated attacks against a single person (which, I can assure you, they are quite capable of). As I said before the Israeli's have an endemic attitude of racism and view their opponents as being less than human, view them as all being terrorists and monsters. This endemic attitude is a result of the fact that all citizens have to serve in the armed forces where dehumanization is common, and thus are routinely bombarded with the attitude that all arabs are terrorists, less than human, and that the only good arab is a dead one.

Israel has a track record of murdering people trying to protect Palestinians children.

Because they can. To some degree the Israeli's actually view the children as being more dangerous than the adults. As Ariel Sharon once said, a child represents the dangers of the generations to come, where as the adult poses a limited danger.

Israel has issued threats against other states for not having nuclear weapons.

Correct. When you have that kind of destructive power you want to be the only one to wield it. In the United States, General Curtis E. LeMay who was the head of the USAF's Strategic Air Command, and later Air Force Chief of Staff, often lamented that one of the biggest mistakes the US made was not to have eradicated the Russians before they ever got a nuke of their own.


Zach,

We don't sign because we superior.

You don't see a problem with the attitude that your nation is superior to every other to the extent that it is completely above the law?

We diminish issue and media we control make much of Iran non-nuke while not talking of Israel real-nuke. Take blinkers off to this. This is why Jews prevail.

You do realize that these attitudes are racist?


Thunder,

"if the Muslims DARE to ever attack us again..and if it appears Israel may actually lose...we will kill every single Arab within 2,000 miles and all of Iran".

That's exactly the whole point; invoke the fear of a complete and utter annihilation/genocide to deter any attacks.

 

[bigjelmapro]

To some degree the Israeli's actually view the children as being more dangerous than the adults. As Ariel Sharon once said, a child represents the dangers of the generations to come, where as the adult poses a limited danger.

Libel, pure and simple. As for Sharon actually saying this, have a link/reference? I've seen many fabricated quotes attributed to Sharon and other Israeli leaders, past and present.

Responding to ZA is responding to a poser. He's not Jewish and all he is doing is mirroring the worst propagandic views of the Jew as seen and read about on Arab street.

I've read about all these infractions by Israel of international law, as there have been a number of threads pertaining to this subject matter, and the rehashing of these same allegations in the recent Amnesty International report. I've yet to see a clear example of this actually being the case.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

what kind of country posesses 200 nuclear weapons to deter a conventional military assault?

are there any other nations on Earth that feel the need to engage in such disproportianate deterrance?

and considering Israel has maybe 6 Arab neighbors that may someday decide to attack them, why 200 nukes? why not just 20?

seems like with 200 nukes, the threat would not just to simply nuke any army that tries to invade, or even just the capitals of any country that invades, but to indeed enact a full-scale act of genocide against the entire Arab population.

indeed...with 200 nuclear weapons...you could very well kill the entire population of every Arab country on Earth, and all of Iran.

so basically, the threat is this:

"if the Muslims DARE to ever attack us again..and if it appears Israel may actually lose...we will kill every single Arab within 2,000 miles and all of Iran".

wow. nice.

You know that a number of other countries have more, right?

In terms of active warheads France has 300, the USA 2,468 and Russia 4,650

Where did you get the 200 number from though? Everything I've ever read puts the estimate at less than 100.

ETA: Correction, the actual number is estimated at anything between 75 and 400. That is a ridiculously large gap and means we have no sodding clue how many they do have.