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Israel runs away from nuclear summit

So you're stating that all the regional countries don't have conventional military advantages over Israel?

Yeah, and technically, Iraq had the US out-gunned and out-manned in both the gulf war and the Iraq invasion. Numerical superiority does not equate to military superiority. Israel is not just conventional forces militarily superior to the combined forces of its neighboring opponents it is regionally dominant.


Nuclear power always carries liabilities, whether in the UK, US, India, Pakistan or Israel (albeit more with Pakistan than any other country). As things stand currently, removing the nuclear power capabilities of Israel would prove to be less beneficial and more of a liability to Israel than actually having them.

How so?


Personally, I believe the UK has a significantly less justification for its nuclear program and to have a nuclear sub running around the sea with 48 nuclear warheads,

generally agreed

...than Israel to have an ambiguous stance when it comes to its nuclear weapons capability. And contrary to NPT standards, the UK is improving its nuclear weapons capabilties.

Perhaps, there is some confusion going on here about what the NPT is about with regards to declared nuclear weapons states. With a declared Nuclear Weapon's State, we are primarily dealing with Article1: "Each nuclear-weapons state (NWS) undertakes not to transfer, to any recipient, nuclear weapons, or other nuclear explosive devices, and not to assist any non-nuclear weapon state to manufacture or acquire such weapons or devices."

Signing the NPT wouldn't necessarily mean that Israel couldn't possess any nuclear weapons (depending upon the terms under which it is welcomed into the treaty), merely that they would have to establish some transparency and broad/general international oversight into their nuclear weapons program, something that both the US and the USSR managed to do despite multiple decades of (not-always-so) Cold War.
 
Sorry about the delayed response, forgot about this thread :o
Yeah, and technically, Iraq had the US out-gunned and out-manned in both the gulf war and the Iraq invasion. Numerical superiority does not equate to military superiority. Israel is not just conventional forces militarily superior to the combined forces of its neighboring opponents it is regionally dominant.
Who said numerical superiority? That's a given. I was combining this with the technologically advanced weaponry that the Saudis, Kuwaitis, Qataris, Jordanians and Egyptians have bought over the past decade for both their naval forces and land forces from EU nations, Russia, US, and China, from the S-300's to the Saudis and the UAE, M1-A2's to Egypt, littoral and corvette ships to all of those mentioned, MANPADs galore, etc. that rival and at times surpass the current technology used by the Israelis.

How so what? Its pretty straightforward. Disarming won't do squat if Iran doesn't disarm, which is not hinged on Israel having a nuclear program but more Iran wanting to have leverage and significance in the ME.

Perhaps, there is some confusion going on here about what the NPT is about with regards to declared nuclear weapons states. With a declared Nuclear Weapon's State, we are primarily dealing with Article1: "Each nuclear-weapons state (NWS) undertakes not to transfer, to any recipient, nuclear weapons, or other nuclear explosive devices, and not to assist any non-nuclear weapon state to manufacture or acquire such weapons or devices."
Primarily dealing with, but not only, which is why Israel is not part of it, not because of some paranoia that Israel might be proliferating nuclear weapons technology. Israel has only two major ports, in Haifa and Eilat, the prior of which is used more for military/naval purposes. Checking for any proliferation is quite easy, especially when the US, one of the nuclear watchdogs, using these ports quite frequently for a layover between EU and ME ports with its advanced loitering ships, notwithstanding that as of recently, the US has been operating a Doppler/x-type radar site in Israel proper. Article 1 would not be the issue why Israel is not joining NPT, apart from the fact that it wants to keep its nuclear ambiguity stance.

Signing the NPT wouldn't necessarily mean that Israel couldn't possess any nuclear weapons (depending upon the terms under which it is welcomed into the treaty), merely that they would have to establish some transparency and broad/general international oversight into their nuclear weapons program, something that both the US and the USSR managed to do despite multiple decades of (not-always-so) Cold War.
In relation to the previous, I doubt Israel is really concerned with whether NPT would require Israel to possess x-amount of nukes. I think the core issue would be, and this is nothing new:

IAEA presses nuke-free Mideast
...
Even as diplomats huddle at the United Nations during the second week of a month-long conference, IAEA officials are focusing on Israel amid growing calls for a nuclear weapons-free Middle East.
...
But the same article does voice concerns of Israel, in what can be interpreted as forcing Israel to make unilateral concessions in regards to its nuclear program in hopes that Iran would do the same whilst the latter is already part of NPT.

"The IAEA cannot allow itself to be hijacked by those who seek Israel’s destruction,” US Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen wrote in a letter to the IAEA’s Amano.

“Rather than fixating on Israel, the IAEA should take immediate action to suspend all membership privileges for Iran. It must cease all technical assistance programs to Iran until the regime comes into full compliance with UNSC resolutions and its nonproliferation obligations.”
So overall, I doubt article 1 is really the most concerning article when talking about Israel, especially if the other NPT signatories cannot abide by the same articles and disarmament clauses...
 
Israel's nuclear weapons are the only variable that has prevented the Arab states from trying to liberate the West Bank.
 
Israel's nuclear weapons are the only variable that has prevented the Arab states from trying to liberate the West Bank.

Hahahahahahahaha.

Hahaha, hahahaha.

It's almost as if you're serious. Well done.
 
That is pretty sad Parky. You still don't understand the concepts behind conventional and non-conventional warfare....
 
Israel's nuclear weapons are the only variable that has prevented the Arab states from trying to liberate the West Bank.
"Liberate". Hilarious.

So this explains why Arab states have been so spectacularly successful in defeating Israel in situations when they haven't used nukes.




Oh, wait....


Sorry Thunder, another major fail. Israel doesn't need nukes to defeat Arab states. It's not a bad insurance policy though.
 
No, I actually do know a great deal about the Middle East conflict.

thanks.

No, you don't.

You really really don't.

I'm not saying that Israel is such a wonderful state of flowers and bunnies and happiness that it can never do wrong. I criticise the place regularly, actually, but you seriously don't know what you're on about. Even TFT had a better grasp on the situation than you.
 
"Liberate". Hilarious.

what is even more hilarrious is when Uber-Zionists claim that the West Bank was "liberated" from centuries of "Arab occupation", in 1967.

now that...is true comedy. real Borscht-Belt stuff.
 
I assume because Israel will not be party to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, as the nation still refuses to confirm it has nukes. As anyone here knows, I'm generally a supporter of Israel, but this sort of attitude hardly helps.
 

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