Israel responsible for the anthrax attacks

Matilda said:
Oh dear, is that how you rationalise to yourself people not affirming your fantasies?

There is a great deal of evidence supporting the official accounts of 9/11, from who carried out the terrorist attacks to how the World Trade Center fell and why.

There is no evidence for the accusations you've made (and stated as if they were a fact) against Israel. It's a fantasy built on a tissue of rumours and lies, a few of which made their way into the mainstream press, indicating no censorship of such rumours and lies in the US.

Though I would hope that not accepting such accusations without evidence is conventional thinking.
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You are a very confused person. The post I referred you to was related to the anthrax attacks and not the WTC.
 
MaGZ said:
A lone disgruntled scientist could not have been responsible for the attacks. The anthrax had to have been made by a team of scientists with advance knowledge and expertise. Nano-technology was use to connect the special coating onto the anthrax particle.
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But you've been shown, repeatedly, this isn't true.

Given that you take your information from neo-Nazi sites, and that you haven't presented a shred of evidence for your assertions, that leaves anti-semitism as the only motivation I can think of for you making these accusations against Israel.

Did you guys take a vote and decide it was anti-semitism month in the Troof movement?
 
MaGZ please. Your force feeding conjecture as truth is getting old.

Please find a forum where you can preach to the choir and give each other "Heil Hitler"'s and Hi Fives (and perhaps "Heil Fives"), or go back to your pub filled with others as 'intelligent' as you and clink your pints together as you celebrate having it all "figured out".

As much as I love reading good debate, you have no business on a forum populated by rational people.

Stay in the pub; they miss you.
 
MaGZ said:
You are a very confused person. The post I referred you to was related to the anthrax attacks and not the WTC.
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No, but I should have been clearer. You are making accusations against Israel without evidence in this thread, and then in the other thread you're making assertions without evidence in the other about 9/11. I had that in mind when I made that post.
 
Matilda said:
But you've been shown, repeatedly, this isn't true.

Given that you take your information from neo-Nazi sites, and that you haven't presented a shred of evidence for your assertions, that leaves anti-semitism as the only motivation I can think of for you making these accusations against Israel.

Did you guys take a vote and decide it was anti-semitism month in the Troof movement?
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Here is an article that tells about the advance properties of the Senate anthrax.
http://cryptome.org/anthrax-powder.htm
 
More of the same...

MaGZ said:
Here is an article that tells about the advance properties of the Senate anthrax.
http://cryptome.org/anthrax-powder.htm
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Yeah, I looked at the article. More speculation upon speculation.

Anyway, back to the Jews. When did you discover that they were the menace that is destroying civilization? And if they are such a menace, why is it taking them so long to wipe it out, given their construction and possession of nuclear weapons?
 
Kiwiwriter said:
Yeah, I looked at the article. More speculation upon speculation.

Anyway, back to the Jews. When did you discover that they were the menace that is destroying civilization? And if they are such a menace, why is it taking them so long to wipe it out, given their construction and possession of nuclear weapons?
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Not speculation. Gary Matsumoto was a major news reporter. He worked for ABC News. You have no credibility in your "review" of his article.
 
MaGZ said:
As to why Israel? I will hope you read the article completely to find the answers. As I have said before, Israel had the means, motive, and opportunity to have launched the attacks. If there are other countries that qualify in this area them please name them.
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Hang on. Your last sentence. Don't you think you need to investigate this possibility before jumping to your conclusion. It's not up to others to prove this, it's up to you. Saying Israel fits the bill, in your opinion, and then saying it's possible other countries might, but you can't be bothered finding out if they exist, is just laziness. First of all you have to bring up your list of likely suspects, (assuming you have evidence, I am not going into that at the moment), and then see which is actually the most likely. Just stopping at your most convenient suspect is not logically valid.
 
a_unique_person said:
Hang on. Your last sentence. Don't you think you need to investigate this possibility before jumping to your conclusion. It's not up to others to prove this, it's up to you. Saying Israel fits the bill, in your opinion, and then saying it's possible other countries might, but you can't be bothered finding out if they exist, is just laziness. First of all you have to bring up your list of likely suspects, (assuming you have evidence, I am not going into that at the moment), and then see which is actually the most likely. Just stopping at your most convenient suspect is not logically valid.
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It is possible another country could have made this type of anthrax–Russia for example–but Russia did not have a motive for getting the US to go to war in Iraq. Also in order to launch the anthrax attacks the group involved had to have known of the planned attacks of 9/11. It was the Mossad using the cover of Israeli Art Students that had the hijackers under surveillance in America not Russian intelligence.
By the process of elimination, there is no other possibility that another country besides Israel both knew of the planned 9/11 attack, had the expertise to prepare the weaponized anthrax and had the motive to get the US to go to war in Iraq.
 
Dan Rather worked for CBS News. That didn't stop him from putting out a false story on Bush's National Guard service.

ETA: And isn't ABC part of the MAINSTREAM MEDIA? You know, the one controlled by THE JOOOOOOOOOS?!

Amazing how this guy Matsumoto becomes "a major news reporter" when it suits the Twoofers' purposes. If he'd said something contrary, they'd be crying "Shill! Plant! Disinfo! You can't trust the mainstream media!"
 
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jhunter1163 said:
Dan Rather worked for CBS News. That didn't stop him from putting out a false story on Bush's National Guard service.
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Why would Gary Matsumoto want to write a false anthrax story?
His conclusion was a secret US anthrax program may exist and he suggests it is located in Columbus, Ohio.

The Battelle Memorial Institute, a nonprofit organization based in Columbus, Ohio, is possibly the only corporation in the world known to possess both the Ames strain as well as a “national security division” offering the services of a team of “engineers, chemists, microbiologists, and aerosol scientists supported by state-of-theart laboratories to conduct research in the fields of bioaerosol science and technology.” On its Web site, Battelle calls this research group “one-of-a-kind.”

As subcontractors, Battelle scientists have made anthrax powders for use by the Army and U.S. intelligence agencies, but rarely by Fort Detrick, which specializes in vaccine development. Charles Dasey, spokesperson for the parent agency, the U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command, says that as far as he is aware, the only dried anthrax spores made at Fort Detrick since it stopped making weapons were made by Battelle scientists working there for DARPA. This material, made in a biosafety level 3 suite in the Diagnostic Systems Division, contained killed Ames strain at a concentration of 326 million spores per gram—several orders of magnitude less concentrated than the Senate powder and crude by current standards.

Battelle is capable of more sophisticated work, as it also makes one of the world’s most advanced medicinal powders. Battelle’s pharmaceutical division, BattellePharma, also in Columbus, is one of the few companies anywhere developing electrostatically charged aerosols for inhalation. BattellePharma’s Web site boasts that the company’s new “electrohydrodynamic” aerosol “reliably delivers more than 80% of the drug to the lungs in a soft (isokinetic) cloud of uniformly sized particles.” Other powders, boasts the Web site, only achieve 20% or less.

None of this argues that Battelle or any of its employees made the Senate anthrax powder. But it is evidence that Battelle was a logical place to start looking for clues. Officials from Battelle and the Army declined to comment on any aspect of anthrax powder manufacture.
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jhunter1163 said:
Dan Rather worked for CBS News. That didn't stop him from putting out a false story on Bush's National Guard service.

ETA: And isn't ABC part of the MAINSTREAM MEDIA? You know, the one controlled by THE JOOOOOOOOOS?!

Amazing how this guy Matsumoto becomes "a major news reporter" when it suits the Twoofers' purposes. If he'd said something contrary, they'd be crying "Shill! Plant! Disinfo! You can't trust the mainstream media!"
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The mainstream media were targets in the anthrax attacks–ABC, CBS, and NBC news divisions.
 
That wasn't my point. My point is that the fact that he worked for ABC News doesn't necessarily make him reliable. And as has been pointed out in this thread, there were many other possible sources for the anthrax than just that one lab.

And in the last paragraph, it says:

None of this argues that Battelle or any of its employees made the Senate anthrax powder.
 
MaGZ said:
It is possible another country could have made this type of anthrax–Russia for example–but Russia did not have a motive for getting the US to go to war in Iraq. Also in order to launch the anthrax attacks the group involved had to have known of the planned attacks of 9/11. It was the Mossad using the cover of Israeli Art Students that had the hijackers under surveillance in America not Russian intelligence.
By the process of elimination, there is no other possibility that another country besides Israel both knew of the planned 9/11 attack, had the expertise to prepare the weaponized anthrax and had the motive to get the US to go to war in Iraq.
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Russia had a great reason for the US to go invade Iraq, for example. Look how much it's screwed up America. Plenty of people knew it was going to be an incredibly risky venture. Now the US ability to use it's prestige to on the rest of the world has been damaged to a great extent.
 
MaGZ said:
in order to launch the anthrax attacks the group involved had to have known of the planned attacks of 9/11.
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You have a logical fallacy here. Foreknowledge of the Sept 11th attacks is not in any way necessary to have mailed the anthrax letters. In principle, any entity in posession of the anthrax on Sept 17th (the day before the first letter was postmarked) could have carried out the attack. Your appeal to motive does not change this fact.
 
jhunter1163 said:
That wasn't my point. My point is that the fact that he worked for ABC News doesn't necessarily make him reliable. And as has been pointed out in this thread, there were many other possible sources for the anthrax than just that one lab.

And in the last paragraph, it says:

None of this argues that Battelle or any of its employees made the Senate anthrax powder.
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By your reasoning anyone who works at a major news organization is not reliable. You just seem to pick and choose.
Maybe you are one of those who thinks only Fox News is reliable.
 
a_unique_person said:
Russia had a great reason for the US to go invade Iraq, for example. Look how much it's screwed up America. Plenty of people knew it was going to be an incredibly risky venture. Now the US ability to use it's prestige to on the rest of the world has been damaged to a great extent.
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Are you seriously suggesting Russia is a more likely suspect than Israel in the anthrax attacks?
 
Mr.D said:
You have a logical fallacy here. Foreknowledge of the Sept 11th attacks is not in any way necessary to have mailed the anthrax letters. In principle, any entity in posession of the anthrax on Sept 17th (the day before the first letter was postmarked) could have carried out the attack. Your appeal to motive does not change this fact.
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I will give your point some consideration and will get back with you.
 
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