Israel responsible for the anthrax attacks

Magz! What are you doing in the States? Come on, come over and see Europe!! Please!!!!!
 
valis said:
But I thought Fox News (which I also thought was supposed to be a mouthpiece for the Bush administration) did a four part story on it?
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The local FBI agents approached Fox News with their findings on the Israeli Art Student spies because they most likely thought Fox was the most patriotic of all the news broadcasters and trusted the network over the others. You can be sure there was a debate within Fox as to whether or not to run the story. It is surprising they ran it, but I suspect they did not present all of the story to their viewers.
 
MagZ- isn't it also interesting that Fox News, which is completaly controlled by the Elders of Zion and the Freemasons, ran the story at all? Yes the story was killed, but not before it could be viewed by millions and posted on Youtube for millions more to see. That does't fit your conspiracy theory of Jewish media control.
 
parky76 said:
MagZ- isn't it also interesting that Fox News, which is completaly controlled by the Elders of Zion and the Freemasons, ran the story at all? Yes the story was killed, but not before it could be viewed by millions and posted on Youtube for millions more to see. That does't fit your conspiracy theory of Jewish media control.
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The Jews did pressure Fox News to drop the story.

The Israeli "art student" mystery
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index.html?pn=1

Some of the same pressures that keep government officials from criticizing Israel may also explain why the media has failed to pursue the art student enigma. Media outlets that run stories even mildly critical of Israel often find themselves targeted by organized campaigns, including form-letter e-mails, the cancellation of subscriptions, and denunciations of the organization and its reporters and editors as anti-Semites. Cameron, for example, was excoriated by various pro-Israel lobbying groups for his exposé. Representatives of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) argued that the Fox report cited only unnamed sources, provided no direct evidence, and moreover had been publicly denied by spokesmen for the FBI and others (the last, of course, is not really an argument).

In a December interview with Salon, CAMERA's associate director, Alex Safian, said that several "Jewish/Israeli groups" were having "conversations" with representatives of Fox News regarding Cameron's piece. Safian said he questioned Cameron's motives in running the story. "I think Fox has always been fair to Israel in its reporting," said Safian. "I think it's just Cameron who has something, personally, about Israel. He was brought up in the Middle East. Maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe he's very sympathetic to the Arab side. One could ask." The implicit suggestion was that Cameron is a bigot; in conversation, Safian would later make the same allegation about the entire editorial helm at Le Monde, which he called an anti-Semitic newspaper.

Told of Safian's comments, Cameron said, "I'm speechless. I spent several years in Iran growing up because my father was an archaeologist there. That makes me anti-Israel?" The chief Washington correspondent for Fox News, Cameron had never before been attacked for biased coverage of Israel or Israeli-related affairs -- or for biased coverage of Arabs, for that matter. Cameron defends his December reporting, saying he had never received any heat whatsoever from his superiors, nor had he ever been contacted by any dissenting voices in government.

Oddly, four days after the Cameron investigation ran, all traces of his report -- transcripts, Web links, headlines -- disappeared from the Foxnews.com archives. (Normally, Fox leaves a story up for two to three weeks before consigning it to the pay archive.) When Le Monde contacted Fox in March for a copy of the original tapes, Fox News spokesmen said the request posed a problem but would not elaborate. (Fox News now says Le Monde never called.) Asked why the Cameron piece disappeared, spokesman Robert Zimmerman said it was "up there on our Web site for about two or three weeks and then it was taken down because we had to replace it with more breaking news. As you know, in a Web site you've got x amount of bandwidth -- you know, x amount of stuff you can put stuff up on [sic]. So it was replaced. Normal course of business, my friend." (In fact, a text-based story on a Web site takes up a negligible amount of bandwidth.)

When informed that Cameron's story was gone from the archives, not simply from the headline pages (when you entered the old URL, a Fox screen appeared with the message "This story no longer exists"), Zimmerman replied, "I don't know where it is."
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MaGZ,

It's clear to me that you have made up your mind. Your opinion is that Isreal is the most probable suspect in the anthrax attacks. I accept that nothing I say will change that opinion. The particular issue I am arguing with you right now is the way in which you express your opinion, which is typical of conspiracists and bad scientists. You put together a narrative which is superficially plausable and then conclude that it is logically impossible for "official theories" to be correct.

You are claiming that it is impossible for any entity other than Isreal to have carried out the attacks; and you are doing so in part due to timing and motive.

By admitting that the anthrax could have been manufactured before 9/11/2001, your timing argument pretty much goes out the window. The only relevant question in this regards is "Could another entity have been in posession of the anthrax envelopes in Trenton NJ on Sept 17th or 18th?" (not "is it likely or probable?") If the answer is yes, then your impossibility is no longer airtight.

MaGZ said:
Your disregard for a motive in the anthrax case is nonsensical.
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Really? Is the following scenario at all possible? (Not, "is it likely or probable?") An individual who worked at a US biolab in late 1999 or 2000 takes home a small sample of weaponized anthrax powder. A few days after 9/11/2001 this individual who is in independantly in posession of antibiotics writes the anthrax letters, drives to Trenton NJ and mails them.

For your claim that Isreal is the only entity that could have carried out the attacks to hold, you must now prove that my scenario above cannot have happened. What is this hypothetical individual's motive? It does not matter. The simple fact that it could have happened pokes holes in your 'impossible' claim.

To sum up: I accept that you have your opinion on who the most probable perpetrator of the anthrax attacks is, and I'm not trying to change that. I AM trying to get you to see that your opinion is just that; a set of factual rings tied together by threads of opinion, appeals to motive and wisps of conjecture, not a solid chain of facts and solid logical conclusions.

If from now you change your wording to admit that Isreal is merely in your opinion the most likely suspect, then I will have made my point and will move on to other things. If not then you implicitly admit that you cannot tell the difference between your opinion and reality and pretty much invalidate all your own arguments, so I will move on to other things.
 
MaGZ said:
Here are a few articles showing the advance nature of the anthrax weapon. Today, the FBI wants to avoid answering the questions about how sophisticated the anthrax weapon was by saying just about anyone could have made it.

Anthrax Powder: State of the Art?
http://cryptome.org/anthrax-powder.htm

Official: Unusual coating in anthrax mailings
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/04/10/inv.anthrax.investigation/

Anthrax Sent Through Mail Gained Potency by the Letter
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/anthraxpotencyletter.html

FBI's Theory On Anthrax Is Doubted
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/fbitheorydoubted.html

A Sophisticated Strain of Anthrax
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/sophisticatedstrainanthrax.html

As to other countries having the Ames strain, researching anthrax is not the same as developing an anthrax weapon. There has to be a motive for a country to attack America with anthrax. I maintain only Israel would have such a motive.

The Anthrax Mystery: Solved
http://www.anthraxattacks.net/
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But I came up with a better motive of why it was Russia, all by myself, that you completely disregarded. The only evidence I have that is was Russia is my opinion, but that's all you've got to say it was Israel in this case.
 
Mr.D said:
MaGZ,

It's clear to me that you have made up your mind. Your opinion is that Isreal is the most probable suspect in the anthrax attacks. I accept that nothing I say will change that opinion. The particular issue I am arguing with you right now is the way in which you express your opinion, which is typical of conspiracists and bad scientists. You put together a narrative which is superficially plausable and then conclude that it is logically impossible for "official theories" to be correct.

You are claiming that it is impossible for any entity other than Isreal to have carried out the attacks; and you are doing so in part due to timing and motive.

By admitting that the anthrax could have been manufactured before 9/11/2001, your timing argument pretty much goes out the window. The only relevant question in this regards is "Could another entity have been in posession of the anthrax envelopes in Trenton NJ on Sept 17th or 18th?" (not "is it likely or probable?") If the answer is yes, then your impossibility is no longer airtight.



Really? Is the following scenario at all possible? (Not, "is it likely or probable?") An individual who worked at a US biolab in late 1999 or 2000 takes home a small sample of weaponized anthrax powder. A few days after 9/11/2001 this individual who is in independantly in posession of antibiotics writes the anthrax letters, drives to Trenton NJ and mails them.

For your claim that Isreal is the only entity that could have carried out the attacks to hold, you must now prove that my scenario above cannot have happened. What is this hypothetical individual's motive? It does not matter. The simple fact that it could have happened pokes holes in your 'impossible' claim.

To sum up: I accept that you have your opinion on who the most probable perpetrator of the anthrax attacks is, and I'm not trying to change that. I AM trying to get you to see that your opinion is just that; a set of factual rings tied together by threads of opinion, appeals to motive and wisps of conjecture, not a solid chain of facts and solid logical conclusions.

If from now you change your wording to admit that Isreal is merely in your opinion the most likely suspect, then I will have made my point and will move on to other things. If not then you implicitly admit that you cannot tell the difference between your opinion and reality and pretty much invalidate all your own arguments, so I will move on to other things.
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I am totally convinced Israel was responsible for the anthrax attacks. I cannot see any other possible scenario. No American scientist could have brought home weaponized anthrax since the US bio-weapons program ended in 1972.

If you have an equally plausible scenario then I would like to hear it.
 
MaGZ said:
I am totally convinced Israel was responsible for the anthrax attacks. I cannot see any other possible scenario. No American scientist could have brought home weaponized anthrax since the US bio-weapons program ended in 1972.

If you have an equally plausible scenario then I would like to hear it.
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You are a racists bigoted nut case, who blindly uses racist web sites and repeats junk.

Your ignorance and your racism (disguised as legitimate debate) do not let you use your brain. You are not able to think due to your bias.
 
Well, then it's nothing more than your anti-Semitism

MaGZ said:
I am totally convinced Israel was responsible for the anthrax attacks. I cannot see any other possible scenario. No American scientist could have brought home weaponized anthrax since the US bio-weapons program ended in 1972.

If you have an equally plausible scenario then I would like to hear it.
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We've heard plenty of other scenarios and analyses here, but your bottom line is simple: it's the fault of Israel and the Jews.

So what I would like to know is what is the source of your intense hatred of Jews, and what you think should be done to solve the "Jewish Question."
 
MaGZ said:
I am totally convinced Israel was responsible for the anthrax attacks. I cannot see any other possible scenario. No American scientist could have brought home weaponized anthrax since the US bio-weapons program ended in 1972.

If you have an equally plausible scenario then I would like to hear it.
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Why can't you see any other scenario? Israel is, indeed, a possibility. However, there are other possibilities. The only alternative you mention is the USA, but you ignore Russia. There is also the possibility of a rogue Israeli scientist. Why not, it's possible? While there are other possibilities, you can't say it must be Israel, because there aren't any other possibilities.
 
MaGZ said:
The Jews did pressure Fox News to drop the story.
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What, all of them? Personally? They turn up at the offices and throw stones at the windows?


Seriously MagZ, come and visit Europe this summer. You'll love our friendly hospitality for people that spout your crap publicly......we'll even trhow in free board and lodgings for 2 or 3 months.
 
More colossal ignorance...

MaGZ said:
The Jews did pressure Fox News to drop the story.

The Israeli "art student" mystery
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index.html?pn=1
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Only a twisted and vengeful anti-Semite or an utterly ignorant human being could spout rubbish like that...

"The Jews did pressure Fox." Which Jews? All 8 million of them in the entire world, from Argentina to Japan, lined up at Fox's headquarters to pressure them? You think the world's Jews are all robots, who think identically, walk identically, talk identically, work identically, pray identically, and act identically, following instructions to the letter from some council of Satanic rabbis? And without leaving a paper trail?

The only thing Jews can agree upon is that they disagree with each other. And you should know that, because there are Jews who stick up for neo-Nazis' right to free speech as well as Jews who oppose Israel's existence, whether for political (Bruno Kreisky) or religious (Chassidic) reasons.

You obviously have not met any Jews in your life. You want to see a dis-united community? Go to any Jewish event, private or public.

Your ignorance is telling. Obviously the only connection you have with Jews is what you've read on "Stormfront" and "White Aryan Resistance" publications.

Maybe you should meet some real Jews. Of course, you're probably very proud that you have nothing to do with them. When ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise, I guess.
 
a_unique_person said:
But I came up with a better motive of why it was Russia, all by myself, that you completely disregarded. The only evidence I have that is was Russia is my opinion, but that's all you've got to say it was Israel in this case.
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What would be Russia’s motive in launching the anthrax attacks?
I can tell you why Israel did it.
 
a_unique_person said:
Why can't you see any other scenario? Israel is, indeed, a possibility. However, there are other possibilities. The only alternative you mention is the USA, but you ignore Russia. There is also the possibility of a rogue Israeli scientist. Why not, it's possible? While there are other possibilities, you can't say it must be Israel, because there aren't any other possibilities.
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Please present a plausible scenario how Russia or a rouge American or Israeli scientist launched the anthrax attacks. I will consider all possibilities. Just tell me how you think it could have happened.
 
valis said:
I thought the people we should be concerned about are "the Zionists" or the Israeli government? Is it "the Jews" or "the Zionists" after all when you criticize Israel or Zionists you are not criticizing all Jewish people are you? I thought you had made this distinction clear? Now I am confused.
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Is there really a difference? I know some Jews are critical of Israeli policies–particularly leftist Jews–but the vast majority of Jews in America support Israel and think criticism of Israel should never be expressed.
 
But it's already been done. Someone nicked some from a lab, stuck it in letters. Yes, bioweapons programmes may have ceased (officially) a few decades back but that doesn't mean there aren't stockpiles of these materials that they've kept (specifically, for the purpose of creating vaccines against it). What is it exactly about the lone, disgruntled/psychotic employee theory that is so unbelievable to you?
 
Rich M said:
But it's already been done. Someone nicked some from a lab, stuck it in letters. Yes, bioweapons programmes may have ceased (officially) a few decades back but that doesn't mean there aren't stockpiles of these materials that they've kept (specifically, for the purpose of creating vaccines against it). What is it exactly about the lone, disgruntled/psychotic employee theory that is so unbelievable to you?
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The anthrax that was mailed was not more than two years old. It could not have came from an old stockpile.

FBI Secretly Trying to Re-Create Anthrax From Mail Attacks
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bioter/fbisecretlyrecreate.html
The attempt to manufacture identical anthrax spores is the latest in a series of ambitious efforts. Scientists announced in May that they had sequenced the anthrax genome used to identify the attack spores as examples of the "Ames strain" of anthrax bacteria developed by USAMRIID at Fort Detrick, Md. A month later, scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory used radiocarbon dating to determine that the anthrax spores had been cultured within the past two years.
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MagZ- anthrax has genetic identifying markers. unless you can provide evidence of a genetic link between the the anthrax from the attacks and anthrax made at an israeli lab....shut the #%$%^ up.
 
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