Israel responsible for the anthrax attacks

Im patiently waiting for MagZ's answer to my simply question.

I wonder if he has ever had a Jewish friend...or had a Jewish teacher that he respected. Maybe he has never met a Jew.

I just hope MagZ doesn't decide to take on the NWO..and chuck a molotov cocktail into a synagogue one day.
 
No free speech in Europe. I get your point.
Do you think the Jews had anything to do with getting these laws passed?


[LOL]

Knew you'd fall into that trap.

Two things:

1. The European Convention on Human Rights and associated documents are rather complex guarantees free speech other than where that right would act as incitement to racial or religious crime.

2. Similarly libel and slander laws in Europe ensure that you can say anything else you want but if you can't prove accusations then you can get your arse sued to hell.

Now, as I was saying my little anti-semitic friend, do come and visit Europe this summer. Bring a megaphone or somesuch with you.
 
MaGZ obviously has some very retarded views about the world that's passing him by. I really don't think there's any point in entertaining a white supremacist. *shrug*

Agreed, but I do feel that there's considerable mileage in beating the crap out 'em (metaphorically, so to speak).

;)
 
Me, too...

Im patiently waiting for MagZ's answer to my simply question.

I wonder if he has ever had a Jewish friend...or had a Jewish teacher that he respected. Maybe he has never met a Jew.

I just hope MagZ doesn't decide to take on the NWO..and chuck a molotov cocktail into a synagogue one day.

I'm waiting for MagZ to answer all of my questions, so I'll include yours.

No, he never had a Jewish friend. Nor did he ever meet Jews. He has only seen them on TV or in the pages (web and newsletters) of the neo-Nazi publications he devours by the hundredweight. He may have had a Jewish teacher who gave him lousy grades or ridiculed him, or took offense to him showing up in a Brownshirt one day.

MaGZ sees the Jews, like many anti-Semites, as a "type," not as a real person. He probably has the same picture in his mind as many of these folks do in their propaganda...the usual caftan-clad, bearded, hook-nosed, filthy man, squeezing his palms with joy over having bilked another "goy," fiendishly making satanic plots...the "Der Sturmer" Jew.

Notice he has shown the usual courage of the neo-Nazi internet psychophant -- annonymity, scurrilous statements, anti-Semitism, and dodging and weaving ripostes...and continuing his silly course.
 
But on the plus side, he's now scared to visit Europe because he'll get banged up in the gaol if he spouts that kind of crap publically.

Hey, I wonder if MaGZ thinks its okay to say the same things about coloured ethnic groups!?!
 
The anthrax attacks terrorized the American people and the US Senate.

The result of the attack is not necessarily relevant to its cause.

The sole reason for invading Iraq at the time was over WMDs.

Which is in no way connected to anthrax.

The Senate gave a blank check to Bush to go into Iraq.

Quite a while after the attacks, if memory serves.

This was the Israeli plan.

Speculation, again. You DO know what speculation is, right ?

At the time, Sadam was considered the most dangerous person in the world. In other words dangerous to Israel.

Quotation ?

There were two groups that were pushing for war in Iraq, the Israelis and the neocons in America. Most of the time their ideologies were identical.

That's a very shaky motive.

Faked intelligence on Iraq came from two sources: the Israelis and the neocons.

To which "faked" evidence are you refering to ? Please provide your sources.
 
Was the intel real or fake?

Do you think WMDs were in Iraq and the US military just somehow missed it? Is this really a question that remains in your mind? Isn’t the answer obvious?

Then you're agreeing with stateofgrace that Iraq posed no threat to Israel ?

Do you think the Jews had anything to do with getting these laws passed?

Careful, now. Your colours are showing.
 
You have a logical fallacy here. Foreknowledge of the Sept 11th attacks is not in any way necessary to have mailed the anthrax letters. In principle, any entity in posession of the anthrax on Sept 17th (the day before the first letter was postmarked) could have carried out the attack. Your appeal to motive does not change this fact.

I appreciate your challenge to my point.

I hope we can agree that no single person made the anthrax that was sent and that it had to have came from a bio-weapons lab. If we do not agree on this point then I will have to make my case.

If it came from a bio-weapons lab then I can see only three possibilities:
First, a secret and illegal US bio-weapons lab hidden from most bio-researchers.
Second, a Russian lab.
Third, the Israeli bio-weapons lab located at Ness Ziona.

I present this as only three possibilities based upon the advance nature of bioresearch the weaponized anthrax represented. In theory an American lab--if it continued in secret since the early 1970's--may have been able to produce the stuff.

The Russians never stopped in their bio-weapons research, so they for a moment have to be considered a suspect.

The timing of the attacks is important. I maintain that whoever sent the anthrax had to have known of the coming 9/11 attacks. If you think it is possible the Americans attacked their own people the you are a very different type of conspiracy theorist.

If Russians or Israelis mailed the anthrax it would have to have been pre-positioned in the US before 9/11. To suggest a hostile intelligence agency acted after 9/11 would involve the following tasks. They would have to have made the anthrax and within a week decide to have a motive and means to carry out the attack. I don't see the Russians waking up after 9/11 and decideding to do this.

By my reasoning only the Israelis could have mailed the anthrax.
 
In other words....

I appreciate your challenge to my point.

I hope we can agree that no single person made the anthrax that was sent and that it had to have came from a bio-weapons lab. If we do not agree on this point then I will have to make my case.

If it came from a bio-weapons lab then I can see only three possibilities:
First, a secret and illegal US bio-weapons lab hidden from most bio-researchers.
Second, a Russian lab.
Third, the Israeli bio-weapons lab located at Ness Ziona.

I present this as only three possibilities based upon the advance nature of bioresearch the weaponized anthrax represented. In theory an American lab--if it continued in secret since the early 1970's--may have been able to produce the stuff.

The Russians never stopped in their bio-weapons research, so they for a moment have to be considered a suspect.

The timing of the attacks is important. I maintain that whoever sent the anthrax had to have known of the coming 9/11 attacks. If you think it is possible the Americans attacked their own people the you are a very different type of conspiracy theorist.

If Russians or Israelis mailed the anthrax it would have to have been pre-positioned in the US before 9/11. To suggest a hostile intelligence agency acted after 9/11 would involve the following tasks. They would have to have made the anthrax and within a week decide to have a motive and means to carry out the attack. I don't see the Russians waking up after 9/11 and decideding to do this.

By my reasoning only the Israelis could have mailed the anthrax.

You don't have a single proof of anything, besides your utter hatred of Jews.

So how did you get into anti-Semitism? Was it a dysfunctional family? Failure in school? Failure at work? Failure with girls? That's what I'm really interested in. Not your silly speculation. How did you get from the womb to the Brownshirt?

Not much reasoning here.
 
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I hope we can agree that no single person made the anthrax that was sent and that it had to have came from a bio-weapons lab. If we do not agree on this point then I will have to make my case.
I'm not convinced that it could not be a single person, nor that it had to come from a bio-weapons lab (as in, not some dude's basement). Please make your case.

And what happened, in your analysis, to all those other countries that possess the Ames strain of anthrax?
 
I appreciate your response, but I still note logical errors in your reasoning.

Note that your claiming that '
only the Israelis could have mailed the anthrax' is equivalent to claiming that it is completely impossible for any other entity to have done so - and that eliminates motive from our discussion (motive or lack thereof has no impact on whether or not an entity 'could have' done something)

I hope we can agree that no single person made the anthrax that was sent

You need to demonstrate or convincingly argue that no single person could have made the anthrax, but for your reasoning to be complete, you must also prove that the entity that MADE the anthrax is the same as the entity that SENT it. Otherwise you have a gap in your reasoning.

Moreover, in another post you claim that

Israel staged some anthrax hoaxes starting in 1997 in order to frame Dr. Hatfill.

In order for this alleged frame to make sense, it would have to be theoretically possible for a knowlegable and resourceful individual to be able to manufacture said anthrax at least four years before the anthrax letters. (To wit, it would be useless to try to frame Suri Cruise for the assasination of JFK)

The timing of the attacks is important. I maintain that whoever sent the anthrax had to have known of the coming 9/11 attacks.

...

They would have to have made the anthrax and within a week decide to have a motive and means to carry out the attack.


The anthrax need not have been made after 9/11.

The two things with regards to the timing of the anthrax letters which are logically neccessary are :

1) Because of the postmarks on the envelopes, we can conclude the attacker (or agent thereof) had posession of the sealed anthrax letters in the vicinity of Trenton, New Jersey on Sept. 17th or 18th. (and again on Oct. 8th or 9th.)

2) The notes reference 9/11/2001. If they were written after 9/11, then foreknowledge cannot be concluded with any degree of certainty.

So your chain of reasoning turns out to be an ephemeral wisp of smoke.

To sum up: To prove your contention that
'only the Israelis could have mailed the anthrax' and '[they] had to have known of the coming 9/11 attacks,' you must conclusively prove (not argue, suggest, imply or opine) that it is completely impossible (not unlikely, improbable or nonsensical) for any other entity to have carried out the attack, and you must do so without appealing to motive or lack thereof.
 
You need to demonstrate or convincingly argue that no single person could have made the anthrax, but for your reasoning to be complete, you must also prove that the entity that MADE the anthrax is the same as the entity that SENT it. Otherwise you have a gap in your reasoning.


A crucial gap. An individual could have bought or stolen the anthrax. Someone who worked for a research facility, stole it, or, in the chaos of the USSR when it collapsed, amounts were stolen and sold. The number of letters sent, and the quantities they contained, were quite small. A large and organised group could have caused much worse chaos if the attacks were carried out on a much larger scale.
 
The government had to kill the story by claiming it was an "urban myth."

But I thought Fox News (which I also thought was supposed to be a mouthpiece for the Bush administration) did a four part story on it?
 
Are the leaders of Britain as dumb as George Bush?

George W. Bush has a bachelors from Yale; an MBA from Harvard, completed Air Force flight school and was able to get qualified as a fighter pilot.

How does that compare to your educational accomplishments?
 
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I'm not convinced that it could not be a single person, nor that it had to come from a bio-weapons lab (as in, not some dude's basement). Please make your case.

And what happened, in your analysis, to all those other countries that possess the Ames strain of anthrax?

Here are a few articles showing the advance nature of the anthrax weapon. Today, the FBI wants to avoid answering the questions about how sophisticated the anthrax weapon was by saying just about anyone could have made it.

Anthrax Powder: State of the Art?
http://cryptome.org/anthrax-powder.htm

Official: Unusual coating in anthrax mailings
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/04/10/inv.anthrax.investigation/

Anthrax Sent Through Mail Gained Potency by the Letter
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/anthraxpotencyletter.html

FBI's Theory On Anthrax Is Doubted
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/fbitheorydoubted.html

A Sophisticated Strain of Anthrax
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/sophisticatedstrainanthrax.html

As to other countries having the Ames strain, researching anthrax is not the same as developing an anthrax weapon. There has to be a motive for a country to attack America with anthrax. I maintain only Israel would have such a motive.

The Anthrax Mystery: Solved
http://www.anthraxattacks.net/
 
I appreciate your response, but I still note logical errors in your reasoning.

Note that your claiming that 'only the Israelis could have mailed the anthrax' is equivalent to claiming that it is completely impossible for any other entity to have done so - and that eliminates motive from our discussion (motive or lack thereof has no impact on whether or not an entity 'could have' done something)



You need to demonstrate or convincingly argue that no single person could have made the anthrax, but for your reasoning to be complete, you must also prove that the entity that MADE the anthrax is the same as the entity that SENT it. Otherwise you have a gap in your reasoning.

Moreover, in another post you claim that



In order for this alleged frame to make sense, it would have to be theoretically possible for a knowlegable and resourceful individual to be able to manufacture said anthrax at least four years before the anthrax letters. (To wit, it would be useless to try to frame Suri Cruise for the assasination of JFK)



The anthrax need not have been made after 9/11.

The two things with regards to the timing of the anthrax letters which are logically neccessary are :

1) Because of the postmarks on the envelopes, we can conclude the attacker (or agent thereof) had posession of the sealed anthrax letters in the vicinity of Trenton, New Jersey on Sept. 17th or 18th. (and again on Oct. 8th or 9th.)

2) The notes reference 9/11/2001. If they were written after 9/11, then foreknowledge cannot be concluded with any degree of certainty.

So your chain of reasoning turns out to be an ephemeral wisp of smoke.

To sum up: To prove your contention that 'only the Israelis could have mailed the anthrax' and '[they] had to have known of the coming 9/11 attacks,' you must conclusively prove (not argue, suggest, imply or opine) that it is completely impossible (not unlikely, improbable or nonsensical) for any other entity to have carried out the attack, and you must do so without appealing to motive or lack thereof.

The anthrax hoaxes that were initiated in 1997 designed to frame Dr. Hatfill were just that hoaxes. Real deadly anthrax was not used. However an anthrax simulate in the B'nai B'rith incident was used.
From the article:

The planning for the anthrax attacks of 2001 goes back to at least 1997. In April of that year, the national headquarters of the Jewish organization B’nai B’rith in Washington, DC received a package that contained a petri dish labeled Anthracis Yersinia, implying the dish contained bacteria that could cause anthrax infections or plague. The dish had been broken and was leaking a red fluid. Tests later determined the petri dish to be relatively harmless, and it did not contain the bacteria Anthracis or Yersinia. However, it did contain Bacillus cereus, which is less dangerous and is sometimes used as an anthrax simulant.

A two-page typed letter accompanied the petri dish. The letter was largely incoherent and contained comments on Jews, Nazis, and the ‘Holocaust.’ The letter was signed, “The Counter Holocaust Lobbyists of Hillel.” Months prior to the B’nai B’rith hoax, a movement was forming on college campuses calling for a debate to question some assertions concerning the ‘Holocaust.’ Those responsible for the mailing chose to blame historical revisionists or so-called “Holocaust deniers.”

The B’nai B’rith hoax received a great deal of media attention. Television outlets like CNN and other networks broadcast the incident live to a national audience. The nearby area was evacuated, and for a period of time office personnel were quarantined. The case has never been solved, and the cost to the government was two million dollars.

Israel’s Mossad most likely was responsible for the mailing. The hoax benefited Israel and the Jews in several ways. First, national publicity was generated in this first major anthrax scare. Second, sympathy was elicited for the Jewish organization that was attacked. Third, the persons supposedly responsible—namely, those who have questions concerning the ‘Holocaust’—were demonized. However, on another level, something more important was achieved: This would be the first anthrax hoax used to implicate Dr. Steven Hatfill.

Dr. Hatfill was attending a terrorism seminar in Washington, DC the day the B’nai B’rith incident occurred. At the time, Hatfill was employed as a researcher at the National Institutes of Health where he likely had access to petri dishes containing bacteria. This, in all probability, was the reason a petri dish from a bioresearch lab was used this time, instead of a suspicious powder. This anthrax hoax, along with others that followed, would help to make a circumstantial case against Dr. Hatfill if a real anthrax attack ever occurred.

I agree the anthrax was not made after 9/11. Researches say the anthrax was not older than two years.

Your disregard for a motive in the anthrax case is nonsensical.
 

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