Is Islam an evil religion?

[FireGarden]

Someone tell Bill that all those Christians who do interpret the Bible literally were pretty upset with the Pope for saying that, noting "It’s a direct attack on all who believe the inerrancy of the literal Scriptures as inspired by God!" (Italics for emphasis in the original!)

(Bonus: that article also states that there is no such thing as "interpretation" of the Bible by believers, that "the Bible interprets itself", and that the Bible itself speaks against any "symbolic and spiritual interpretation" of it.

You know, the thing he claims that Muslims believe about the Qur'an, but that Christians don't believe about the Bible.

http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=7640.6221.0.0

“no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” (2 Peter 1:20).

It further declares that “all scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). There’s no instruction here to resort first to any “symbolic and spiritual interpretation techniques used by the ancient fathers of the church”!

[...] The reality is that Jesus Christ, the very Author of the Word of God, gave us the proper method for understanding the Bible.

[...] Too often men have applied some different meaning to the scriptures that reproved them. They have passed right over some scriptures that corrected and rebuked them. Instead they studied diligently to find some other scripture into which they could read a meaning that would justify their course of action.

That is how men began, centuries ago, to interpret the Bible. And so God’s Word has become perverted, twisted, wrested, distorted. And almost every false and counterfeit meaning imaginable is read into it instead of seeing the natural meaning—the plain, simple meaning God intended.

 

[FireGarden]

Dude, few, if only one, of your passages called for actual death towards gay people.

Bill, if you want to distance yourself from your original claim: "There are four passages in the Quran that at anti-gay. There is only one in the Bible."... Then the simplest way is to admit that you were wrong.

I also notice I tell you something and you ignore it if it disproves you.

The Quran is the word of god, to Muslims. It is written in the first person almost completely. The Bible is entirely not. So the Quran will generate actual violence among Muslims who want to please Allah.

Muslims are actually right now, this very day, hanging people in the street for being gay. How you can ignore that is mind-boggling.

And the Bible is not interpreted literally among the mass of Christians. Google is your friend. Look it up. I am not doing your homework for you.

Bill, I notice that when you are corrected you just simply repeat your claim. There are many interpretations of the Quran, just as there are many interpretations of the Bible. Some Christians do take the Bible literally, even if you say they don't. And you don't need to do any homework for me. Foster Zygote and ANTPogo have already posted relevent examples.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I am reminded of the Mormon researcher at BYU who found out that because of DNA, the Native Americans could have not been Hebrew. The LDS Church had to find a way to brush this aside.

And the above statement reminds me of the way you brush aside evidence of your own errors.

Lincoln hated Catholics.

The Bible contains only a single anti-homosexual verse.

All Christian leaders teach that the Bible is not to be taken literally.

Etcetera...

 

[Bill Thompson]

Do you play the guitar?

 

[Bill Thompson]

And the above statement reminds me of the way you brush aside evidence of your own errors.

Lincoln hated Catholics.

He did. Why do you think he did not? Do you think he did not because you took a line out of a speach he made about immigration and misapplied ot to the Civil war.

Linclon hated the Catholics because they backed the south in the civil war.

The Bible contains only a single anti-homosexual verse.

Only one line calls for violence against homosexuals that I saw. The rest, "being gay is bad Mmkay" is not quite a commandment to kill.

All Christian leaders teach that the Bible is not to be taken literally.

That is not what I said. you misquote me. Strawman argument.

You do not know how to carry on a logical discource. Your GED does not level the playing field

 

[Bill Thompson]

How do you brush aside the paucity of evidence for the exodus, Abraham, Issac, Moses? The lack of evidence for a resurrection or miracles?

I don't. It is just not my interest. Why should I be interested in it? I used to be interested in it. Expecially Exodus. That was a fun thing to discount and debate, but it is old to me. I am just not into it. That does not mean I brush it aside. If I go on a walk to raise money for breast cancer, I am not "brushing aside" other cancers.

 

[Bill Thompson]

as i already pointed out to you, but you ignored.....
an apostate is, by definition, biased.
your sources are, therefore, by definition, biased.

WRONG number 15 or 16 by now, I think

That is a falsehood. If someone has lived as a Muslim and wants to live as a Muslim and wants to believe Islam, but cannot for logical reasons, his or her opinions are not biased.

"Biased", since you don't know what the word means and I am reduced to a teacher, means that the person has particular motives for thinking a certain way. I quote MUSLIMS and EX-MUSLIMS not JEWS not ANTI-MUSLIMS AND NOT MUSLIM HATERS. I quote people who would love it if Islam was real. They would want nothing more in their life to be a Muslim and accept Islam. Their views are NOT biased!!

 

[RandFan]

I don't. It is just not my interest. Why should I be interested in it? I used to be interested in it. Expecially Exodus. That was a fun thing to discount. I am just not into it. That does not mean I brush it aside. If I go on a walk to raise money for breast cancer, I am not "brushing aside" other cancers.

Then that's what most Mormons do. Like you they go on with their lives believing in their chosen mythology.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Bill, if you want to distance yourself from your original claim: "There are four passages in the Quran that at anti-gay. There is only one in the Bible."... Then the simplest way is to admit that you were wrong.
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Right. Not all passages in the Bible do not all demand the death of gays. The passages in the Quran are from the mouth of Allah, and so Muslims will want to please him by killing gays.

The worst passage in the Bible was a story where God is talking to Moses. If you noticed, it is not even written as if Moses was writing it. Moses does not write "And God told me that if am man is with another man..." It is written like this "Leviticus 18:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying..."

They are all very indirect verses.

The Quran is different. It it is writen as if it came right out of Gods mouth. That makes the anti-gay stuff have more power and weight.

I went back and had a look at the bible and found about 24 verses that one could say are anti-gay.

But your motivation is to get back at me somehow, not to actually tell the truth.

Most major christian sects do not interpet the bible literally. The catholcis are the most major one and they do not. Pope John Paul II said so. GOogle it.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-..._gc.r_pw.&fp=daab3958d5b3ea9&biw=1600&bih=796

Also you can google what the other major sects thing as well

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-..._gc.r_pw.&fp=daab3958d5b3ea9&biw=1600&bih=796

 

[A'isha]

All Christian leaders teach that the Bible is not to be taken literally.

That is not what I said. you misquote me. Strawman argument.

[EDIT: Never mind what was here, I'll just let the below stand on its own]

Islam is not like Chirstianity. All the leaders of each Christian sects insist that the Bible is not to be interpreted literally.

All of them? Care to name some of them?

The Pope. Specifically, John Paul II.

Yes, all of them. I have heard this from a number of sources and from even a number of ministers.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Then that's what most Mormons do. Like you they go on with their lives believing in their chosen mythology.

What is my chosen mythology, Amazing Kreskin?

 

[bikerdruid]

What is my chosen mythology, Amazing Kreskin?

whatever your chosen mythology, it contains many myths about islam.
you might peddle 'chick tracts', for all we know.

 

[A'isha]

Right. Not all passages in the Bible do not all demand the death of gays. The passages in the Quran are from the mouth of Allah, and so Muslims will want to please him by killing gays.

Would someone like to ask Bill to quote the ayat in the Qur'an that specify the punishment for homosexuality? You know, something direct and unambiguous, comparable with Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them"?

And if I recall correctly, Bill has cited the Skeptic's Annotated pages before when talking about the Qur'an.

The Skeptic's Annotated Bible lists 24 verses in the Bible condemning homosexuality.

The Skeptic's Annotated Qur'an lists only four, all of them repetitions of the Lot story.

 

[RandFan]

What is my chosen mythology, Amazing Kreskin?

I don't give a damn. It doesn't change anything. Something to do with Yahweh.

 

[bikerdruid]

bill, would you please quote the surah from the koran that orders muslims to kill queers?

 

[Foster Zygote]

He did.

Then it should be easy to find some statement of his confirming this.

Why do you think he did not?

Because there is not a single shred of evidence that he did, as well as the evidence that he was openly unprejudiced toward them.

Do you think he did not because you took a line out of a speach he made about immigration and misapplied ot to the Civil war.

No, as I said, I have no reason to think Lincoln hated Catholics because he made statements and actions to contradict said notion. If you have evidence, in the form of any action or statement by Lincoln, indicating his hatred for Catholics. Then just present it.

Linclon hated the Catholics because they backed the south in the civil war.

All of them? What about all those Protestants in the Confederate army. Shouldn't Lincoln have hated Protestants too?

Only one line calls for violence against homosexuals that I saw. The rest, "being gay is bad Mmkay" is not quite a commandment to kill.

How many times do you have to command people to kill the innocent for it to be an act of evil?

That is not what I said. you misquote me. Strawman argument.

That is what you said. If you maintain otherwise, you are lying. Your words are there for everyone to see.

All the leaders of each Christian sects insist that the Bible is not to be interpreted literally.

All of them?

Yes, all of them. I have heard this from a number of sources and from even a number of ministers.

You do not know how to carry on a logical discource. Your GED does not level the playing field

Again, Bill, childish insults cannot hide your gross errors.

 

[Bill Thompson]

So how does Lincoln have anything to do with Islam being an evil religion or not?

You know, the state of Georgia is going to execute an innocent man, Troy Davis, this coming week. Seven of the Nine people who fingered him as a killer of a cop have recanted and said they only testified against Davis because of pressure from the police. And this is why I am telling you this. The state of Georgia requires that once someone is convicted of a capitall crime, the burden of proof is on the convicted to prove that they are innocent. Without DNA or convicting someone else, that is possible. It is as if pride stands in the way of the state admitting it messed up. That is 100% how you roll.

It is most likely Lincoln, like all politicians for the Union, hated the Catholic Church since they actually did side with the South during the civil war. I checked this out. I called the History Department at my local University and they agree with me. I even posted contact information here about it.

The Quran is not like the Bible. The entire book is a comandment from Allah and a reference of what Allah wants. It is mostly written in the first person. Very very little of the Bible is written in the first person.

It is amusing how you are not man enough to admit simple thnigs. Even the anti-gay passages you have found in the Bible are not commandments to kill homosexuals and are not really commandments in the first person.

The more you defend yourself the more you amuse me.

So how does Lincoln have anything to do with Islam being an evil religion or not? Even if you are right on this point, you are still wrong, and the more time and text you spend on Lincoln the more absurd your argument is.

 

[Bill Thompson]

bill, would you please quote the surah from the koran that orders muslims to kill queers?

WRONG AGAIN (you must love it. You keep doing it and keep coming back for more)
I never exactly said "there is a passage in the Koran that specifically demands muslims to kill queers" .

 

[RandFan]

So how does Lincoln have anything to do with Islam being an evil religion or not?

What does an evil religion even mean? Doesn't all that child raping and hundreds of years of wars and kiling and burning and stoning make Christianity evil? If not then I don't think Islam is evil.

 

[Bill Thompson]

I don't give a damn. It doesn't change anything. Something to do with Yahweh.

"Yahweh"? Where did you get that? You did not get that from me. Show me. Show me where I said something as stupid as a belief in Yahweh?

You said I have a choosen mythology. You must know I do. Otherwise, why would you say I do. So what is it? Suddenly you don't "give a damn" because you suddenly you realise you messed up.

So you judge people by the bs supposition and propaganda and misunderstandings others have about people?