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It did, in 1852.
Is Islam an evil religion?
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It did, in 1852.
No I'm definitely NOT saying that. The cause of that war was national ambition and revanchism. Needless deaths of innocent people were caused by both sides, quite regardless of their religious affiliations. The Greeks are responsible for the aggression (in this case; not in all cases of wars between Greeks and Turks) and the Turks for their undue retaliation against the ethnic Greeks of Ionia and Smyrna.
Of course this Graeco-Turkish War was an aftershock of the First World War, in which Christian fought against Christian and in the cases of the Arab Revolt against Turkey and the presence of Muslims in the British colonial forces fighting in Turkish-ruled Iraq, Muslim fought against Muslim.
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Craig, I was just going to mention something like this. I was just going to add that even you had said that the Turks had become more secular by the time the Greeks invaded.
So are you saying that the reason for the Greeks invasion was not religious at all? The Greeks invaded Turkey out of hatred for Turkey, not because of a hatred of Islam. Is that right?
Didn't you say that this was a lesson in religious intolerance?
You know, historically, isn't this small potatoes? The broadcast of the surrender message from the Emperor of Japan was aided by and came to happen because of an unintentional fluke. The Americans were waiting for the surrender after Nagasaki was bombed and it was decided to fly a squadron (I think B-17's) over the island to some oil refineries in the north. By chance this took the squadron over Tokyo. By chance this was just after the Emperor had recorded his surrender message and the original copy was on vinyl. By chance this was right when a group of Generals and Captains had gotten together and decided to stage a coup and find the surrender message and smash it. By chance, just as the Americans flew over Tokyo the city automatically triggered a black out because of fear that the Americans were going to try to target Tokyo. By chance the black out kept the pro-war conspirators from finding the master recording of the surrender message hidden in the Emperor's palace.
And so, out of blind luck, the surrender message survived and was broadcast in the morning and the war was over.
If this had not happened, the Americans would have continued to build and use more Atomic Bombs. The plant designed by Fermi in Richland, Washington would have kept producing Hydrogen Bombs and a campaign of genocide would have begun on Japan.
As one Senator had once said, "the only place where Japanese will be spoken is in hell".
How does that compare to the invasion of Turkey?
Now you seem to be saying it was not a religious thing. So you are saying you are just plain anti-hate? So you hate hate? Are you violently opposed to violence?
You seem to be angry when I ask you over and over and over what your point is. But I have to ask does the invasion of Turkey by the Greeks have anything to do with this discussion thread? Does it have anything at all do to with Islam? Don't you know and here presently admit it has nothing to do with Islam at all?
So are you saying that the reason for the Greeks invasion was not religious at all? The Greeks invaded Turkey out of hatred for Turkey, not because of a hatred of Islam. Is that right?
Didn't you say that this was a lesson in religious intolerance?
You know, historically, isn't this small potatoes? The broadcast of the surrender message from the Emperor of Japan was aided by and came to happen because of an unintentional fluke. The Americans were waiting for the surrender after Nagasaki was bombed and it was decided to fly a squadron (I think B-17's) over the island to some oil refineries in the north. By chance this took the squadron over Tokyo. By chance this was just after the Emperor had recorded his surrender message and the original copy was on vinyl. By chance this was right when a group of Generals and Captains had gotten together and decided to stage a coup and find the surrender message and smash it. By chance, just as the Americans flew over Tokyo the city automatically triggered a black out because of fear that the Americans were going to try to target Tokyo. By chance the black out kept the pro-war conspirators from finding the master recording of the surrender message hidden in the Emperor's palace.
And so, out of blind luck, the surrender message survived and was broadcast in the morning and the war was over.
If this had not happened, the Americans would have continued to build and use more Atomic Bombs. The plant designed by Fermi in Richland, Washington would have kept producing Hydrogen Bombs and a campaign of genocide would have begun on Japan.
As one Senator had once said, "the only place where Japanese will be spoken is in hell".
How does that compare to the invasion of Turkey?
Now you seem to be saying it was not a religious thing. So you are saying you are just plain anti-hate? So you hate hate? Are you violently opposed to violence?
You seem to be angry when I ask you over and over and over what your point is. But I have to ask does the invasion of Turkey by the Greeks have anything to do with this discussion thread? Does it have anything at all do to with Islam? Don't you know and here presently admit it has nothing to do with Islam at all?
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Portuguese? Viva na grandeza do Brasil !!
Você sabe, os brasileiros são contra a guerra e eles ainda têm um enorme problema com gangues por causa de sua falta de vontade de lutar contra isso.
It is like what an Indian friend once told me, Ghandi's time was India's most violent in their history.
Você sabe, os brasileiros são contra a guerra e eles ainda têm um enorme problema com gangues por causa de sua falta de vontade de lutar contra isso.
It is like what an Indian friend once told me, Ghandi's time was India's most violent in their history.
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bikerdruid
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i find that very hard to believe.
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Could be true. Just because Ghandi was leading a peaceful resistance movement doesn't mean other people weren't being violent.
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Religions are not evil. People are. Whatever Ideology they enforce is a memetic weapon that can be used for good or evil.
Would to heaven that the Hindus and Muslims of India had deployed mere "memetic" weapons during the Partition. Alas, they chose rifles, pistols, knives and anything else to hand.
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I think this police officer is sort of a christian and this girl was seen in a new age shopping store and liked some of the selected quotes from the Quran and so she is sort of a mulsim.
But one thing is for sure this arrest went too far and shows hatred towards islam.
But one thing is for sure this arrest went too far and shows hatred towards islam.
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Yes, that is also a consequence of religious extremism. I never denied that.
Bill
I find your #1043 very odd. Obviously nuclear war involving great powers is more significant than a smallish war between two small countries. Of course, so what? But that's no reason to ignore the Greek-Turkish War. It was significant, and had a permanent cultural effect.
Religion was not the CAUSE of the war, but the war gave people willing to perpetrate ethnic or religious discrimination the opportunity to do so.
I find your #1043 very odd. Obviously nuclear war involving great powers is more significant than a smallish war between two small countries. Of course, so what? But that's no reason to ignore the Greek-Turkish War. It was significant, and had a permanent cultural effect.
Religion was not the CAUSE of the war, but the war gave people willing to perpetrate ethnic or religious discrimination the opportunity to do so.
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Oh mighty Xenu Lord and ruler of Teegeeack and this region of the galaxy, grant my theaten the wisdom to know where Craig B is coming from with his discussions and facts and what he means and what his conculusions are. It is such a mystery to me.
OK, let me take a stab at this. Are you saying that Muslims have gotten the shaft historically more than we would like to admit and so they deserve more compassion and sympathy?
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BikerDruid, your post speaks volumes
Hell yes it was the bloodiest part of India's History.
Hell yes I have lots of Indian Friends.
Your post speaks volumes. It tells where your opinions are rooted. Specifically it tells me where they are NOT rooted.
hey, just for the heck of it, why don't you call me a Slavery Bigot some more. Or tell he how Islam is kind and gentle to gay people. Wait, I fogot. "Most" of Islam is, right? All the Immans in Iran need is a big hug to wipe that grumpy frown off their face so that they stop lynching homosexuals.
About one million people died in less than two months in India when Ghandi was in charge. It is beyond shocking that you "find that hard to believe". Yeah, Mr. Make-Love-Not-War, your system does not work. It is an epic failure.
All the Muslims in India needed was a great big hug, right? And a reassurance that we meant them no harm. Then we can all go skinny dipping in the public river with daisies in or hair like a Pepsi commercial. All we have to do is dream it and it will come true. Click our heals three times.
The British rule in India did one good thing and that was keep rival groups from fighting. When Ghandi drove out the British, (and, yes, the British did fire upon unarmed protestors) all hell broke loose and Ghandi's passive resistance methods failed. Google "one million people killed gandhi" http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&e..._gc.r_pw.&fp=d4517628c849646&biw=1920&bih=935
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Hell yes it was the bloodiest part of India's History.
Hell yes I have lots of Indian Friends.
Your post speaks volumes. It tells where your opinions are rooted. Specifically it tells me where they are NOT rooted.
hey, just for the heck of it, why don't you call me a Slavery Bigot some more. Or tell he how Islam is kind and gentle to gay people. Wait, I fogot. "Most" of Islam is, right? All the Immans in Iran need is a big hug to wipe that grumpy frown off their face so that they stop lynching homosexuals.
About one million people died in less than two months in India when Ghandi was in charge. It is beyond shocking that you "find that hard to believe". Yeah, Mr. Make-Love-Not-War, your system does not work. It is an epic failure.
All the Muslims in India needed was a great big hug, right? And a reassurance that we meant them no harm. Then we can all go skinny dipping in the public river with daisies in or hair like a Pepsi commercial. All we have to do is dream it and it will come true. Click our heals three times.
The British rule in India did one good thing and that was keep rival groups from fighting. When Ghandi drove out the British, (and, yes, the British did fire upon unarmed protestors) all hell broke loose and Ghandi's passive resistance methods failed. Google "one million people killed gandhi" http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sa=X&e..._gc.r_pw.&fp=d4517628c849646&biw=1920&bih=935
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bikerdruid
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wow, bill......you need a dube.
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Bill
The people who died in India and Pakistan were victims of the British policy of partition, seen in operation also in Ireland, which encouraged murderous expressions of religious hostility. That does not, of course, absolve the immediate perpetrators; any more than Greek aggression against Turkey absolved the Turks who burned the ethnic Greek city of Smyrna and expelled its residents.
I note that Gandhi was a Hindu, so I wondered why you were so hostile, but now I see: Gandhi proposed a policy of peace between different religious communities. You are disparaging this because you want hate and war to be directed against Muslims, who are currently the favourite scapegoat of the extreme right (whose ideology always requires a scapegoat) just as Jews were in the early and mid 20th century.
Also, please stop the nonsense about compassion and sympathy and big hugs, your current motif. You're working it to death, as with other of your ideas. Again, you risk ridicule.
The people who died in India and Pakistan were victims of the British policy of partition, seen in operation also in Ireland, which encouraged murderous expressions of religious hostility. That does not, of course, absolve the immediate perpetrators; any more than Greek aggression against Turkey absolved the Turks who burned the ethnic Greek city of Smyrna and expelled its residents.
I note that Gandhi was a Hindu, so I wondered why you were so hostile, but now I see: Gandhi proposed a policy of peace between different religious communities. You are disparaging this because you want hate and war to be directed against Muslims, who are currently the favourite scapegoat of the extreme right (whose ideology always requires a scapegoat) just as Jews were in the early and mid 20th century.
Also, please stop the nonsense about compassion and sympathy and big hugs, your current motif. You're working it to death, as with other of your ideas. Again, you risk ridicule.
I think you mean Colombia, and the answer is 'no'.
Bill
I wrote:
Try another prayer to mighty Xenu to grant your theatan wisdom so that your mysteries may be dispelled. Better luck this time. What about sacrificing a goat? It might work. Gods love that stuff.
I wrote:
In response you offer this prayer, but unfortunately it doesn't appear to have been fulfilled.
And then you comment:
Answer. No, I'm not saying that. I have never said that. I do not know what you would "like to admit". I said what I said and it's all down in black and White.
Try another prayer to mighty Xenu to grant your theatan wisdom so that your mysteries may be dispelled. Better luck this time. What about sacrificing a goat? It might work. Gods love that stuff.
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If you can't fool people any longer, scare them into believing. Guns and intimidation work well. I will be glad when most governments/countries denounce religions. Maybe even see them as some sort of socially acceptable delusion that some exploit for cash. (no way!) Yes I know, probably not in my lifetime.
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