Is Islam an evil religion?

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A noted irony of sorts. Islam means submit, right. Is that worse than Christians who commemorate the cross which in essence was a torture device? Are Christians even more death loving due to their obsession with torture devices that they'd wear them around their necks and post them before their doorways?

Because if we're going to take the word Islam so seriously, we need to address Christianity in a similar matter as well, assuming we're being fair here.
 
Lowpro said:
A noted irony of sorts. Islam means submit, right. Is that worse than Christians who commemorate the cross which in essence was a torture device? Are Christians even more death loving due to their obsession with torture devices that they'd wear them around their necks and post them before their doorways?
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Bill Hicks had a whole comedy bit about this very thing.
 
What is your logic? Is your logic that since most people who call themselves Muslim are in the dark about how bad Islam is, then Islam is a good thing?

That is like saying Mormonism is OK because most people who call themselves Mormon do not know of their racist past because the church hides it so well.

Are you saying it is good to have Islam in this world just in case the bigots do not find Christianity homophobic enough?

Gays are hung in Iran but not in every Muslim country. So that makes Islam ok to you?

Is your logic that since Christianity is bad, Islam is good?

So if one brain rapist gets away, we should let them all get away to be fair?
 
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Foster Zygote said:
How is this any different from Catholics? By the way, it's "imams".
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What if there is no difference? What is your point, duuuuuude?

Lincoln hated the Catholics. He blamed them for the Civil war. So they got slapped down. So Islam should not be slapped down as well?

There was a time when the Catholics considered the USA to be evil because a government by the people and for the people was not really a good Catholic thing. They got slapped down. Now it is Islam's time. Oh, wait, why do you think it is not? Explain yourself.

Do you think I think Catholics are good? I hope not. You would be a pretty silly prat if you did.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
What is your logic? Is your logic that since most people who call themselves Muslim are in the dark about how bad Islam is, then Islam is a good thing?
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That's the key problem with your argument right there. You're starting from the assumption that the very worst of Islam and those who call themselves Muslims represent the correct, default "Islam", and that anyone and everyone who disagrees, from non-Muslims to actual active, practicing, scholarly and devout Muslims, is really "in the dark about how bad Islam is", and if only they knew what you know about Islam, they'd agree with you about how bad "Islam" is.

And that is, not to put a fine point on it, flat-out wrong.
 
Bill Thompson said:
What is your logic? Is your logic that since most people who call themselves Muslim are in the dark about how bad Islam is, then Islam is a good thing?

That is like saying Mormonism is OK because most people who call themselves Mormon do not know of their racist past because the church hides it so well.
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Or like saying Christianity is OK because most people who call themselves Christian do not know that the Bible tells them that slaves are property and commands them to kill their families if they switch religions and kill their daughters for having sex.

Are you saying it is good to have Islam in this world just in case the bigots do not find Christianity homophobic enough?
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Come on Bill, don't play this game of obfuscation. You know what we've been saying because we've explicated on numerous occasions. We are simply saying that there is nothing about Islam that sets it apart as any worse than any other religion. The abuses and crimes that have been justified by Islam are no different from the abuses and crimes that have been justified by other religious beliefs.

Gays are hung in Iran but not in every Muslim country. So that makes Islam ok to you?
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Gays are persecuted and killed in many Christian countries as well. In fact, the Bible clearly states that homosexuals are to be killed. Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Is your logic that since Christianity is bad, Islam is good?
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Where do you get this? Is your comprehension so limited that you really can't follow the arguments presented against you, or are you so determined not to admit error that you are trying to move the argument away from the actual points presented to you because you cannot present a cogent defense against them?

So if one brain rapist gets away, we should let them all get away to be fair?
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So all Muslims are "brain rapists"? All Muslims must accept responsibility for the actions of the worst among them, but Christians (as an example) get to dismiss the worst among themselves with a no-true-Scotsman fallacy?
 
Foster Zygote said:
Or like saying Christianity is OK because most people who call themselves Christian do not know that the Bible tells them that slaves are property and commands them to kill their families if they switch religions and kill their daughters for having sex.
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Christ, man, what is your point? It is you who has christianity on the brain, not me.
 
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That's the key problem with your argument right there. You're starting from the assumption that the very worst of Islam and those who call themselves Muslims represent the correct, default "Islam", and that anyone and everyone who disagrees, from non-Muslims to actual active, practicing, scholarly and devout Muslims, is really "in the dark about how bad Islam is", and if only they knew what you know about Islam, they'd agree with you about how bad "Islam" is.

And that is, not to put a fine point on it, flat-out wrong.
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Whew !! Most Muslim Scolars support pedophile rape. 'nuf said.
 
Bill Thompson said:
What if there is no difference? What is your point, duuuuuude?
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My point, person who is expressing childish frustration through the use of passive aggressive cognomen, is that your determination to assert that Islam is still uniquely evil in the face of evidence that it is not, is evidence that your criticisms amount to nothing more than anti Islamic bigotry.

Lincoln hated the Catholics. He blamed them for the Civil war.
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No he didn't. You are falling for a very old lie.

"These words, entitled 'Lincoln's Warning,' have circulated among Catholic-haters in this country since the late 19th century, but there is nothing of Lincoln in them. They were written by Charles Chiniquy, a Canadian-born priest who settled in Kankakee County, Illinois, in 1851, as head of a Catholic colony, and then abandoned his faith, began spewing out hatred for his former religion, and invented anti-Catholic utterances for Lincoln as part of his anti-Catholic campaign.

"But Chiniquy did know Lincoln, though not very well. In 1856, Lincoln and Leonard Swett handled a case for Chiniquy in Springfield, Illinois, and years later, after Lincoln had become famous, the recusant priest falsely claimed he had been an intimate friend of Honest Abe and that the latter had secretly confided to him his fear and hatred of Catholicism. The false quote appeared in Chiniquy's Fifty Years in the Church of Rome (Chicago, 1886), a lengthy and bitter attack on the Roman Catholic Church.

From They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions, by Paul F. Boller Jr. & John George (Oxford University Press, 1989), pages 79-80,
"Lincoln of course had nothing of the bigot in him, and the kind of views Chiniquy attributed to him were entirely foreign to his thinking. In June 1844, Lincoln wrote a resolution condemning the intolerance of the Know Nothing movement: 'The guarantee of the right of conscience as found in the Constitution, is most sacred and inviolable, and one that belongs no less to the Catholic, than to the Protestant.' And in a much-quoted letter to his friend Joshua Speed on August 24, 1855, he expressed his dismay over the bigoted views of the Know Nothings and warned that if they triumphed the Declaration of Independence would be corrupted into reading: 'All men are created equal, except negroes and foreigners and Catholics.'"

So they got slapped down. So Islam should not be slapped down as well?

There was a time when the Catholics considered the USA to be evil because a government by the people and for the people was not really a good Catholic thing. They got slapped down. Now it is Islam's time. Oh, wait, why do you think it is not? Explain yourself.

Do you think I think Catholics are good? I hope not. You would be a pretty silly prat if you did.
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So we can add Catholics to your list of bigotries.
 
Bill Thompson said:
What if there is no difference? What is your point, duuuuuude?

Lincoln hated the Catholics. He blamed them for the Civil war. So they got slapped down. So Islam should not be slapped down as well?

There was a time when the Catholics considered the USA to be evil because a government by the people and for the people was not really a good Catholic thing. They got slapped down. Now it is Islam's time. Oh, wait, why do you think it is not? Explain yourself.

Do you think I think Catholics are good? I hope not. You would be a pretty silly prat if you did.
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Um, Bill? Your posts seem to be unhinging from the course of conversation. Maybe you should take a break, clear your head, and return when you feel more centered.
 
Bill Thompson said:
Christ, man, what is your point? It is you who has christianity on the brain, not me.
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Please understand that I am following forum guidelines to attack arguments rather than the arguer when I state that your arguments are among the stupidest that I have seen on this forum. For you to protest the introduction, for the purpose of comparison, other religions that you claim Islam to be morally inferior to, is intellectually dishonest and frankly silly. It's like you are saying, "O'Malley is by far the worst drunk in town", and then when others start describing the drunken antics of other residents of town, you protest, "I'm talking about O'Malley. Why are you bringing up Jones and Schneider?".
 
ANTPogo said:
At the risk of repeating another poster:

Which cabinet member? Which book?
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I will look it up.

In the mean time, what books do you read? You seem to rely solely on the interent.

Why do you think an institution that validates pedophelia should be met with tolerance?
 
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