Is anyone surprised that Kevin Trudeau...

[Ducky]

Whew. It sounds like sense is coming through. So I vote fowlsound NEVER call you a troll ever again.

Thanks, it has been kinda fun.

I'd second that at this point, but the final vote is up to Iamme

 

[Eos of the Eons]

I am very interested to know why Iamme has not responded to my challenge to go read Quakwatch.org, or my refutation that the FDA commissioner's quote could have anything to do with the book it shows up on.

So I am going to let loose without civility for a moment.


Hey Troll! Yes, that's what I call people that post and post and post and do not respond to questions or statements directed to discuss what they repeatedly post over and over. So yeah, you. Troll. HAVE YOU GONE TO QUACKWATCH? Did you miss that I stated EVERY claim Trudeau makes is not only refuted there, but done so in a very easily read way? Or are you just emulating a brick wall for us to bang our heads against?


I will remove the moniker of Troll I have given you when you actually go read Quackwatch.org. When you stop repeatedly posting claims without evidence to back them up, and when you stop ignoring responses.

It seems Iamme has time limits, not having a computer at home. It also seems sense is trickling through to. Hopefully he will have time to check out quackwatch next time he gets to a computer. I've being trying to post what I can here to help him out to. I'm sure quackwatch won't mind if we post short exerpts from their site here if you have quick access to pertinent information.

 

[Ducky]

It seems Iamme has time limits, not having a computer at home. It also seems sense is trickling through to. Hopefully he will have time to check out quackwatch next time he gets to a computer. I've being trying to post what I can here to help him out to. I'm sure quackwatch won't mind if we post short exerpts from their site here if you have quick access to pertinent information.

Good idea. I'll compile those and post.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

I'd second that at this point, but the final vote is up to Iamme

Rightly so. We're here to spread information and kill misinformation. Thanks to Iamme we get to exercise these skills.

 

[RandFan]

I TOO have considered this point, before your posting. Back then, things WERE more organic and free of pollutants and natural fertilizers were used, etc. But I think we are forgetting something. But what is it? We know that common diseases wiped people out back then. So...WHY was it wiping people out? Did God make a mistake in allowing man to succumb to common disease? Or, is there an answer that makes sense?

Yes, there is a very simple answer and it has nothing to do with god. Diseases are life forms that like humans, carrots and tigers are trying to survive. Every once in awhile a life form like a disease gets a foothold and wrecks havoc doing what it exists to do. So science finds the mechanisms of the life form and come up with strategies to combat the threats.

We know that man has never held all the answers. We currently don't know what causes apendicitis. How do *I* know? I once submitted this question to a nationally syndicated doctor and got in print! So, you'd die without the surgery. Simply put, here is just ONE case where surgery is necessary!

I'm not quite certain of your point but it seems to be an argument from ignorance. Just because we don't know everything doesn't obviate that which we do know.

But I'm still trying to think of what killed so many peole back then and if there could have been natural ways where these people really didn't have to die...short of taking drugs. It doesn't make sense to me either, why man would have to have all these drugs.

We don't have to have them. We don't have to have cars. We don't have to have computers. We don't have to have surgery. We don't have to have the light bulb. There is nothing intrinsically bad about drugs. We use them because they work.

It really would be fun trying to get Kevin over here. I will indeed try to get ahold of him and ask him if he has the muster to stand up to a skeptic messageboard.

Trudequ is scam artist. He makes a living endangering human beings so he can make a profit. He doesn't care if the people who buy his book die as a result of following his advice.

 

[Iamme]

Actually there are alot of people discussing heart attack prevention.

Try here for one.

So, yeah. Did your father smoke? Eat fatty foods? Did he excercise? And I'm not talking about after the heart disease was diagnosed, did he take allk advice out there by the American Heart Association


There is plenty out there on prevention and treatment of heart disease and ulcerated arteries. You just took Kevin's word for it only, and did not investigate one thing.

You will find everything he says is wrong, if you investigated at all.

You could be entirely right, about Kevin. So...what am I out? $23 bucks? To find out for myself, everything he has to say about everything?

It's like John Edward. Anyone could simply say, "Save your money...save your time...there is no such thing as psychic mediums as far as them being psychic." Well......could BE. But I am one that likes to investigate things and weigh things out for myself.

Someone could say, "Ach...Dave....chicks are chicks. You get used to 'em after a while. Save your time and your money. Don't do like I did and get married. These have been the worst 20 years of my life. Give it 3 years and you'll too wish you hadn't jumped into it. Trust me!" Well...I'd like to experience it for myself, thank you. (by the way..I am single.)

Like I said in an earlier post. I think there is some stuff in there that he is bound to be right on. Sure, there are others talking the stuff also. It isn't like he invented everything he says. But, I enjoy these sort of health articles, and I like taking it all in.

So...what's the truth about microwave ovens, I wonder. Is he out to lunch on that one? Is he making a mountain out of a mole hill? And, are heavy cell-phone users setting themselves up for future health problems? Wouldn't you sort of think that all this radiation we are being subjected to is not good? We know that radon isn't good. Maybe THIS ain't either.

My dad. My dad smoked up to 4 packs a day. His only excercize in life was yard work and golfing. Plus, he had/has a nervous/angry disposition. Couple all that together and it is easy to say why he had the ulcerated artery problem.

I have contemplated Kevin's message regarding ulcerated arteries and cholestrol. How he says cholestrol isn't the problem...the ulcers are. Well...maybe there is a good chance that for various reasons, many people get those ulcers. You would then think it be wise to cut down on anything that can form plaque in the arteries. So, he might be a little off the wall on his approach. Yet, I can understand how someone like him wants to show everyone that the root cause is not what most people THINK it is. Most people think the actual problem is high cholestrol. But maybe Kevin should have approached this from both directions and said that the real cause is ulcers. But it is prudent to cut cholestrol also so that in case you have have ulcers, you lessen the chance of a clot.

 

[Ducky]

www.snopes.com

Go to that website and search for "cellphone" "tumor" and "Microwave."


They debunk all those myth pretty directly.

 

[Iamme]

We are NOT having to take sooo many drugs! Are you taking any?

What killed so many people back then was ignorance. You have a festering wound. You drink some remedy and hope it goes away. You don't know that wound is full of icky bacteria and they are eating you alive and producing toxins that will stop your heart at the same time by changing your blood ph levels. Read up on bacterial infections.

You got a cold/flu, and you didn't know not to just drink water as your ion balances fail. You died from dehydration even though your drank gallons of water! Read up on viral infections.

You died in childbirth because nobody knew about RH factors.

So, in spite of EVERYTHING being "organic" you died at a younger age and looked like hell doing it. You died of preventable diseases, you died from lack of surgery for appendicitis. You died in horrible pain and agony from undiagnosed tumors growing on your spine.

Trudeau is lying lying lying. You can treat a bacteria infection by keeping it clean...but you can also use peroxide to kill the bacteria and thus allowing yourself a chance to heal faster. Once the infection starts to spread in spite of all your interventions though...get thee to a doc!!

We know of some self treatments and of some preventative methods. We don't run to the doctor and get drugs for every little thing. Yet the tools are available if needed. These are tools, and there is no dependency being created. These lies and conspiracy theories are false and proven false.

Stop eating that crap up, please.

Yes, mother! (Per your last sentence.)

What is an RH factor?

Were tumors on spines prevelent?

So you think he is lying, and not just some.."I found it...I FOUND IT...EUREKA!!!!" type of guy?

 

[Ducky]

Yes, mother! (Per your last sentence.)

What is an RH factor?

Were tumors on spines prevelent?

So you think he is lying, and not just some.."I found it...I FOUND IT...EUREKA!!!!" type of guy?

Solitary Plasmacytoma of Bone destroyed my 9th Thoracic vertibrae and required an operation to rebuild my spine and radiation treatment. It was misdiagnosed for 8 months as a herneated disk and I was sent to physical therapy instead of an oncologist. I now have about a pound of titanium holding my spine together. It took an 11hour operation, one of my ribs, and a chunk of my pelvis to rebuild the height back in my spine. The tumor had compressed my spinal cord so much I was almost completely paralyzed from teh waist down.

According to homeopathic remedies for abdominal cancer, phosphorus was a "cure" along with Kevin Trudeau's coral calcium, vitamic C, and shark cartelidge - as well as that stupid "Ph" myth of the bloodstream. Had I listened to them I would be paralyzed or dead.

Prevalent enough?



ETA:

The nuerosurgeon that operated on me specializes in tumors of the spine and brain.

 

[Iamme]

Tantalizing excerpt:

"If I was in a car crash and my kidney was ripped open by the metal of the crushed vehicle, rush me to the emergency room and handle my symptoms. Don't ask: "I can tell you what the cause is. The cause is a piece of metal ripped my skin open and punctured my kidney; please use drugs and surgery and save my life. Handle the symptoms (in this case). The symptoms are, "I am bleeding profusely, I'm about to die." Handling the symptoms is good in that situation.

But if a person has cancer you don't say: "Hmm, cancer cells...let me cut them out, let me shoot them full of radiation, let me use some drugs that may kill them." Ask yourself why cancer is growing in the body. The answer is: The body is acidic. What's causing the body to be acidic? Let's find out what's going into the body, what is going out of the body, what the person thinks, how he is excercizing, how he is resting and what he is saying, and let's turn this around in a very simple way and then the cancer goes away. We reduce stress, we strengthen the immune system, the body becomes alkaline, and disease can't exist."

I happen to see there is a drug being advertised on tv that says that it boosts the immune system so that you can continue your chemo treatments. It builds up the white blood cells. I wonder what Kevin has to say about that. The fact that a drug company is behind helping to build up your immune system. ?

I wonder if it is against copyright laws for me to be making quotes out of a book that is being sold in hopes that people buy it?

 

[Ducky]

But if a person has cancer you don't say: "Hmm, cancer cells...let me cut them out, let me shoot them full of radiation, let me use some drugs that may kill them." Ask yourself why cancer is growing in the body. The answer is: The body is acidic. What's causing the body to be acidic? Let's find out what's going into the body, what is going out of the body, what the person thinks, how he is excercizing, how he is resting and what he is saying, and let's turn this around in a very simple way and then the cancer goes away. We reduce stress, we strengthen the immune system, the body becomes alkaline, and disease can't exist."

?

My cancer was caused by white platelet cells reproducing out of control due to a genetic disfunction. It has nothing to do with acidity, it has nothing to do with what I ate. The ONLY way I could have treated it was to surgically remove it to relieve the pressure on my spinal cord, and to radiate the area to kill what few cancerous cells remain (a scalpel cannot cut out every cancerous cell. Just alot of them.)

YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE PH OF YOUR BLOODSTREAM BY INGESTING CERTAIN FOODS.

This is fact.

 

[Iamme]

Solitary Plasmacytoma of Bone destroyed my 9th Thoracic vertibrae and required an operation to rebuild my spine and radiation treatment. It was misdiagnosed for 8 months as a herneated disk and I was sent to physical therapy instead of an oncologist. I now have about a pound of titanium holding my spine together. It took an 11hour operation, one of my ribs, and a chunk of my pelvis to rebuild the height back in my spine. The tumor had compressed my spinal cord so much I was almost completely paralyzed from teh waist down.

According to homeopathic remedies for abdominal cancer, phosphorus was a "cure" along with Kevin Trudeau's coral calcium, vitamic C, and shark cartelidge - as well as that stupid "Ph" myth of the bloodstream. Had I listened to them I would be paralyzed or dead.

Prevalent enough?



ETA:

The nuerosurgeon that operated on me specializes in tumors of the spine and brain.

YOU had what you say? And those big words = tumor...basically?

I feel sorry you had to go through that.

 

[Ducky]

YOU had what you say? And those big words = tumor...basically?

I feel sorry you had to go through that.

Yes it was a tumor. IT was cancer.

Believe me, Kevin Trudeau's claims about cancer are complete fabrications. I have been through surgery, and radiation, and if it comes back I will go through chemo. There are no other proven options. Period. Had the tumor not been surgically removed no amount of food diets or vitamins would have changed the fact that it would have paralyzed me.

 

[Iamme]

Here is more:

1. Do not eat any food produced or sold by a publicly traded corporation ir is a "brand name" product.

2. Get all metal out of your dental work.

3. Stop smoking.

4. Don't drink tap water. All tap water is poisonous.

5. Buy and use a shower filter.

6. Eat only 100% organic fod.

7. Do not eat in fast-food restaurants. Read the book 'Fast Food Nation', and watch the documentary 'Super Size Me'.

8.Do not eat anything that comes out of a microwave oven. Parents that microwave baby formula are poisoning their children unknowingly.

9. Eliminate aspartame and monosodium glutimate.

10. Do not eat artificial sweetners (including Plenda).

11. Do not drink diet sodas.

13. Do not eat hydrogenated and pasteurized dairy products.

12. Do not eat hydrogenated oil.

14. Do not eat hight fructose corn syrup.

15.Use only toothpaste with no fluoride. (he says why specificaly in some other chapter. it is soem aluminum byproduct and he goes into detail about it.)

16. Do not use nonstick cookware.

17. Eat only organic, kosher meat and poultry. (One of several excerpts from 17: A conventional animal is usually aged, which means the animal flesh is hung in a dark rom and allowed to rot. A green mold covers the rotting animal flesh. This green toxic mold is bacteria that tenderizs the meat, but also fils the meat with more toxic poisons. And he goes on and on with many other such things.)

18. Do not eat farm raised fish.

19. Do not eat pork.

20. Do not eat shellfish.

21. If you can't eat it, don't put it on your skin.

22. Get an air purifier.

23. Use only nontoxic 100% organic cleaning supplies.

24. Do not drink canned or bottled juice.

25. Do not use sun block.

26. Do not take vitamins.

27. Do not use anti-perspirants or deodorants.

28. Do not eat white processed sugar.

[There are 41 in all...and he gives reasons why for al these things. many sound reasonable and common sense-like, don't they? The common theme is: It's not natural. Don't do it.]

 

[Iamme]

Yes it was a tumor. IT was cancer.

Believe me, Kevin Trudeau's claims about cancer are complete fabrications. I have been through surgery, and radiation, and if it comes back I will go through chemo. There are no other proven options. Period. Had the tumor not been surgically removed no amount of food diets or vitamins would have changed the fact that it would have paralyzed me.

If *I* were you though? I would still be most curious to learn of that hospital in Mexico, or other such hospitals, that he speaks of.
THEN, I would weigh out all information. I would also want to directly get ahold of Kevin himself and see if he can validate instances where people have been "cured" of other such like cancers, and evidence that people have reversed their pH, etc.

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I'm surprised that more people aren't getting in on this discussion.

 

[Ducky]

Why do you continue to post from his book? Do you think we are unfamiliar with his ideas? Do you think he's the first to make these assertions and we simply haven't heard them before?


We have. It's the same old garbage repackaged.


Are you going to ignore my responses to the cancer excerpt? Would you say that any of his ideas about cancer are ever remotely accurate to my cancer? Have you even read up on cancers or tried to learn about how they are formed?

 

[Ducky]

If *I* were you though? I would still be most curious to learn of that hospital in Mexico, or other such hospitals, that he speaks of.
THEN, I would weigh out all information. I would also want to directly get ahold of Kevin himself and see if he can validate instances where people have been "cured" of other such like cancers, and evidence that people have reversed their pH, etc.

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I'm surprised that more people aren't getting in on this discussion.

Please reread my posts. Did you miss where I told you how my cancer formed?

 

[Ducky]

If *I* were you though?

If you were me you wouldn't have slept through rudimentary biology classes and because you were diagnosed with cancer you would study every reputable publication on cancer so you would understand that cancer has nothing to do with the ph of your bloodstream, and cannot be cured by coral calcium, vitamin c, or some PH level nonsense.

Of course if you were me, you would see how ridiculous your logic is, and that every post you make begs the question of trudeau being right, when in fact he is not.




Edited for spelling.

 

[boooeee]

Wow, that's a lot of spaghetti on the wall. Funny how none of it has stuck yet.

Speaking of that hospital in Mexico....I found this link: British Columbia Cancer Agency

From the link:

Hydrogen peroxide is a treatment provided by the Bio-Genesis Clinic in Mexico. However, "instead of presenting the public with sound, verifiable, scientific research and conclusions, clinics such as Bio-Genesis seem to rely more heavily on testimonials from former patients as their proof." (DuBois)

Are the Canadians in league with the FDA too? The conspiracy widens.

 

[bobdroege7]

ABC 30 here in St Louis is broadcasting a new (to me anyway) infomercial with Tammy Fae Baker interviewing Trudeau.

enough to make me sick!