Is anyone surprised that Kevin Trudeau...

OK!

I've got some stuff on Herbery Lay, Comissioner of the FDA.

He was Comissioner from 7/1/1968 - 12/12/1969.

He took a strong stance against drug companies:

Ley found himself immediately enmeshed in controversy when the Fountain Committee criticized his ten month delay in removing mislabeled stocks of parenteral chloramphenicol from the market. This experience strengthened his regulatory commitment. In light of recommendations made by the National Academy of Sciences and National Research Council in their drug efficacy review, Ley took a strong and unwavering stance against fixed combination drugs and ordered 49 off of the market. Ley also strongly castigated drug industry practices in general, warning them that "unless there is a major change in the drug industry emphasis on sales over safety, the industry as we know it today may well be buried within the next several years in a grave it has helped dig--inch by inch, overpromotion by overpromotion, bad drug by bad drug."
Source (FDA's own website)

From Kevin's own website:

22. The CPB subsequently submitted a series of email questions, the vast majority of which related to the content of the Natural Cures book and other informational publications by Trudeau, not the advertising for the book. Examples include: "Does Mr. Trudeau own a microwave?"; what proof does Mr. Trudeau have that such a meeting [referenced in the his newsletter] took place?"; and does Mr. Trudeau know that Dr. Herbert Lay, who is quoted on the back jacket of the Natural Cures book, "died three years before the book was published?"

Kevin'e Lawsuit PageThingy.

And Finally from the New York State Consumer Protection Board website:

“From cover to cover, this book is a fraud. The front cover makes false promises about ‘natural cures’ that are in the book, while the back cover includes false endorsements, including one from a doctor who died three years before the book was even written,” Chairperson Santiago said.





It would seem Dr. Herbert Lay was probably talking about the state of the FDA in the 60's, not Kevin Trudeau's book.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Are you seriously falling for this???





This is a lie. There are "organic" toxins that are allowed to be used as pesticides. You slap the labe "organic" on something and you get to chuck in "natural chemicals" that also contain other contaminants because the active ingredient is not isolated. We had a whole thread discussing this. Did you miss it??


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52877


I can't believe you are swallowing the claims about sunlight either. Trudeau goes on about poisons and microwaves...but "natural" radiation is okay??? People do get aged and wrinkled skin because of the sunlight. Those that use sunscreens will look younger because they are protecting their skin from the harmful radiation.

All you have to do is look up sunlight and the effects of radiation. Please tell me you aren't swallowing these Trudeau lies!! He's telling you a horse is a cow and vice versa.



http://www.schoolscience.co.uk/content/4/biology/abpi/cancer/cancer7.html

Yes, I am falling for this. I think a lot of what he says makes as common sense to me as it is for me to consider that the universe as we know it, including us and our world and our high-tech did not just happen by chance.

I am not so sure though whether there is malintent on the part of the FDA and pharmeceutical companies or if it just seems like it could be this way. But we all know...take chemicals produced in home products...we all know...those of us in the know, that companies take cheap common products and make these products out to be mysterious chemicals where they can jack up the price. Sodium hypoclorite is one such product (bleach). Money IS the guiding force behind all corporate decisions and regard to the consumer is all but secondary. It is easy to see how Kevin can take the position he does.

My dad had heart disease. The doctor told him that he had ulcerated arteries, just like Kevin speaks of. But nobody has been addressing how to prevent ulcerated arteries, like Kevin tries to do. They just want us all to stop consuming or bodily producing that which will cause plaque to stick to the ulcers, which, actually can be almost impossible in every application, for everyone. Traumatic events can cause platlet clotting which can be acute. If you have such ulcers, your chances of a sudden fatal heart attack can occur out of the blue from various stressors and other things. Don't you want to learn how to prevent these ulcers? Hmmm?

The thread you speak of I indeed may have missed.

Regarding the sunlight: I know what you mean. I have questions for Kevin. If I ever can get ahold of him somehow I will try to remember to ask him this. I am sure he has an intelligent answer, don't you? You think he is going to sit there and go, "Gee, really? I never thought of that!" Obviously, he already KNOWS that most people think the lack of the sun is what causes people to have nice skin. We all know people who have lived lives out of the sun, that have nice smooth baby-like skin in old age. I think what Kevin is getting at more, is that there is no NEED to have bad skin because the sun. Yes, it is more prevelent that if you go into the sun, your skin will get bad. But his point is that it isn't natural for this to happen when people's bodies are free of toxins. Ask yourself this: IF God made all things...do you think he made us to stay ourt of the sun? I say that Kevin is onto something. We all know that if we stay off a bike, we are most likely to have less cuts and bruises than those who bike, right???But is the answer in staying off a bike? How about if we try not to fall, and take other measures. Maybe this is a bad example, but I think you know what I mean. And do you know my fingertips are getting sore from pounding on these keys?
 
Iamme said:
Yes, I am falling for this. I think a lot of what he says makes as common sense to me as it is for me to consider that the universe as we know it, including us and our world and our high-tech did not just happen by chance.

I am not so sure though whether there is malintent on the part of the FDA and pharmeceutical companies or if it just seems like it could be this way. But we all know...take chemicals produced in home products...we all know...those of us in the know, that companies take cheap common products and make these products out to be mysterious chemicals where they can jack up the price. Sodium hypoclorite is one such product (bleach). Money IS the guiding force behind all corporate decisions and regard to the consumer is all but secondary. It is easy to see how Kevin can take the position he does.

My dad had heart disease. The doctor told him that he had ulcerated arteries, just like Kevin speaks of. But nobody has been addressing how to prevent ulcerated arteries, like Kevin tries to do. They just want us all to stop consuming or bodily producing that which will cause plaque to stick to the ulcers, which, actually can be almost impossible in every application, for everyone. Traumatic events can cause platlet clotting which can be acute. If you have such ulcers, your chances of a sudden fatal heart attack can occur out of the blue from various stressors and other things. Don't you want to learn how to prevent these ulcers? Hmmm?

The thread you speak of I indeed may have missed.

Regarding the sunlight: I know what you mean. I have questions for Kevin. If I ever can get ahold of him somehow I will try to remember to ask him this. I am sure he has an intelligent answer, don't you? You think he is going to sit there and go, "Gee, really? I never thought of that!" Obviously, he already KNOWS that most people think the lack of the sun is what causes people to have nice skin. We all know people who have lived lives out of the sun, that have nice smooth baby-like skin in old age. I think what Kevin is getting at more, is that there is no NEED to have bad skin because the sun. Yes, it is more prevelent that if you go into the sun, your skin will get bad. But his point is that it isn't natural for this to happen when people's bodies are free of toxins. Ask yourself this: IF God made all things...do you think he made us to stay ourt of the sun? I say that Kevin is onto something. We all know that if we stay off a bike, we are most likely to have less cuts and bruises than those who bike, right???But is the answer in staying off a bike? How about if we try not to fall, and take other measures. Maybe this is a bad example, but I think you know what I mean. And do you know my fingertips are getting sore from pounding on these keys?


Actually there are alot of people discussing heart attack prevention.

Try here for one.

So, yeah. Did your father smoke? Eat fatty foods? Did he excercise? And I'm not talking about after the heart disease was diagnosed, did he take allk advice out there by the American Heart Association


There is plenty out there on prevention and treatment of heart disease and ulcerated arteries. You just took Kevin's word for it only, and did not investigate one thing.

You will find everything he says is wrong, if you investigated at all.
 
Okay, you are falling for this con to a degree. There is hope though. Read our replies, please. You' ve done your bit on giving us the material

But his point is that it isn't natural for this to happen when people's bodies are free of toxins.

That's bullshiznitz!! All chemicals and "toxins" are naturally occuring or they wouldn't exist. Humans can isolate them, sure, but we get them from plants, the ground, etc.

It won't matter how "free" you are of the these compounds, you will still experience sun damage. Our natural defense is pigmentation. We wouldn't have this natural defense if we never needed it. We'd all be dropping like flies instead of getting tans when we go out in the sun.

Tans prevent further damage, but the damage is what prompts the tan. We go a step further by wearing sunscreen and preventing the damage in the first place. We don't get tans, but the trade off is healthy skin and the prevention of skin cancer. This is common sense. Trudeau is lying. He doesn't care about you, he just wants to spread lies and sell books.


Don't you want to learn how to prevent these ulcers?

We do know how. Modern medicine is all about prevention first. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That's what you hear from doctors. But people ignore the advice to eat healthy, manage stress, etc. So doctors also need to fix people when they get broken due to genetics, or old age, or even personal neglect by eating bad and being stress driven yet lumpy couch potatoes.

Causes of ulcers...so you can try to prevent them:

http://people.ku.edu/~jbrown/ulcer.html

We studied these ulcers in my grade 12 biology classes. I really do recommend any and all biology classes you can cram in for free while in high school.

the mucous secretions essentially protect the cells on the inside of the stomach and duodenum from damage by acid or enzymes (for example, bicarbonate - baking soda - ions are present which neutralize some of the effects of acid on the stomach's inner lining; and, enzyme inhibitor substances block enzyme activity). Therefore, were the mucous secretions to stop, the inner lining of the stomach or duodenum would eventually be eroded by the combined action of acid and enzymes, and could result in the formation of an ulcer. If the ulcer perforated, these harsh agents could now act on tissue underneath - for example, the pancreaticoduodenal artery.

A previously unidentified bacterium, Helicobacter pylori was cultured (isolated and grown) from these biopsies. Presently, it is accepted that this bacterial organism is the cause of both stomach and duodenal ulcers. Approximately 95% of persons with gastric ulcers, and 100% of persons with chronic gastritis have this bacterium within the stomach. The organism has not been found in healthy persons...

The organism produces substances which cause tissue damage, and, the body's immune defense system through fighting the infection, causes further local tissue damage. After a time, the damaged (eroded) tissue no longer can secrete mucous properly, which allows the acid and enzymes to also begin to attack the tissue. Eventually, the mucosal layer will erode, and access of these harsh substances and actions to underlying tissue layers is established and maintained. This local damage and the resultant erosion of tissue is an ulcer.

Yes, bacteria...and a genetic link with the blood types. So you can prevent really bad ulcers by getting quick treatment and monitoring how you feel.

To deny microbes and one's own personal genetic makeup would be Trudeau's advice. Just blame "toxins"!! Sorry, but we know with our own eyes he's an idiot.

We live longer now than we ever have. To suggest that we are killing ourselves when we are actually living longer because of modern living is really outrageous.
 
Kevin provides this large quote at the beginning of a chaprter for which it is apparent why he chose this quote. Here it is:

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds"-Albert Einstein.

To wit:

Bloodletting was once proven to cure most illnesses. Now it is considered totally uneffective.

Margarine was considered much healthier than butter. Now researchers suggest the opposite is true.

Eggs were considered very bad because of high cholestrol. Now researchers suggest..they are healthy.

Alcohol. Same thing, within reason.

Chocolate as cause of acne? Now shown this is not the case.

Homosexuality was once classified as a disease.

Medical doctors once touted baby formula over breast milk. Now it's the opposite.

Milk was once encouraged to coat stomach ulcers. Now it is shown to aggrevate them.

Medical science has done an about face on nutrirtion.

The practice of removing tonsils and appndixes were condoned. Now, they have reversed this opinion.

Etc.

I too no longer have faith in the standard wisdom that has come from medical science as I have known for years that what once was considered THIS, is now considered THAT. That nobody seems to know what they are talking about except my grandma who believed you were okay by doing everything in moderation. I believe Kevin is on the track with common sense stuff that just makes sense to me.

But I could never go so far to do al this organ cleansing he speaks of. I have heard others, to, speak of how you can have like 15 pounds of rotting fecal matter in your intestines (sounds a little far fetched). Yet, my grandma and her sister lived to almost 100 and over 100 and didn't need this. But then..maybe they could have lived to 120 if they did? I will not go so far as to fast or do enema type stuff. Forget it. But for eating natural, no drugs...stuff like that. I believe this is common sense. It is common sense to me that the food we eat, naturally, has more components to it that the minerals and vitamins that have been identified. Kevin gets into that in the book as well. It has become common knowledge, for example, that over cooking of foods destroys the nutrients, right? So why is he off base on the microwave thing? Maybe he is right? I actualy told my mother, years ago, that I refused to eat microwaved food as it is an unnatural cooking method and goes against our evolutionary acceptances, and most likely will lead to cancer. Only lately have I been microwaving, figuring that...well, I also use a celll phone I don't realy feel like living the life of an Amish, either. But, if I see compelling enough evidence, I will give it up. Just like how I quit smoking exactly 20 years ago to next month, based on my dad's ulcerated arteries attributed to smoking, the doctor said.
 
Iamme said:
Kevin provides this large quote ...


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I'm kinda skeptical

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Have you read any of our responses? At all?

Have you gone to www.quackwatch.org and read any of it? It's free!

Now you're just acting obtuse and not responding to our posts. How about you try to read the articles and links we gave you?



Did you even notice I debunked that an FDA comissioner was quoted in favor of the book?
 
Okay, Eos. Nobody likes their posts to fall on deaf ears. I am reading them, including that which you just wrote. Let's get Kevin over here to debate you, just like we all had fun doing with that TV psychic medium Brain Hurts...I mean, Brian Hurst...when Brian was so kind to join us in discussion on the John Edward board.

Now, if the drug companies are not guilty of Kevin's claims in any way whatsoever..what is your response to this to what kevin further states in an early chapter. He says medical science 101 has failed.....

More people get colds and flus than ever before

More people get cancer than ever before

More heart disease

More headaches, lupus, MS, MD, asthsma, joint, neck and back pain

More menopause

More PMS and more severe PMS

More ADD

More chronic fatigue

More insomnia

More bad skin, acne, dandruff

More depression, stress and anxiety

More sexual disfunction and infertility

More allergies, arthritis, constipation, fibromyalgia, cold sores and herpes

More prostate problems

More women with yeast infections...than ever before

................

Yet, amazingly, nmore people are seeing doctors

More diagnostic tsests including blood work and x-rays

More people on prescription and non-prescription drugs

Each druggie is taking MORE drugs than ever before

More surgeries than ever before.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmmmm. Interesting, eh? I presume this is all adjusted for population increases. What do you suppose all this mean? Isn't it logical we are all doing something not right? And...the treatments offered us are only masking things and not curing things, if all these stats are indeed correct?
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Modern medicine is all about prevention first. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That's what you hear from doctors.
Iamme, did you know that The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: has a department of "Disease Prevention". Do you know that the AMA stresses "Disease Prevention"? It is in the best interest of our nation to be healthy. It is ludicrous to believe our government wants us all to be sick to make money for the pharmaceutical industry.

Why does the AMA stress prevention? Isn't it in their best interest not to stress prevention?

Why does the CDC stress disease prevention?

Why is the AMA investing in genetic research that could someday prevent many diseases?

Why does the AMA stress the research of family history to prevent disease?

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Family Medical History in Disease Prevention

The importance of a family history

There is so much evidence that it would require a mountain of contravening evidence to rebut it.
 
Money IS the guiding force behind all corporate decisions and regard to the consumer is all but secondary. It is easy to see how Kevin can take the position he does.

Ah yes, it's all just the money. How do you propose people live if they don't get paid to save your life, study drugs that save your live, make sure drugs are as safe as possible so they save your life?

You suggest these people work for free??

What I find hilarious is all these nutters like Trudeau are the ones making the largest profit margins. How much did he spend to write his book and get it published? How much did he spend making sure shark cartilage worked? He spent NO money on research to make sure his products worked, he spent NO money showing how they could work...he spent NO money to make sure his "patients" were ever helped by them.

Supplements are not regulated, they are not tested. They are sold as FOOD. The sellers do not have to waste money making sure they have pure products that produce the results they claim to. In fact, it is illegal to make claims that supplements can cure or treat anything. That is why ol' Trudeau has been in trouble with the law.

How to get around making these claims. Write books about shark cartilage (freedom of speech) or write claims about echinacea...but don't sell it. Make claims about products that are actually tested and regulated...lie and say they don't work even though they do...and blow up the side effects and harp on them as though people are getting poisoned.

Then sell the products anyway...without any of the claims on the bottle. Just sell them as food. That is how you get around making the supplements drugs. Drugs have to be tested and regulated. That costs money. Suppments are just food. Food isn't supposed have any medicinal effects to regulate, and no side effects to monitor...except maybe obesity.

We make these laws to protect consumers. If you're going to sell something to treat a condition, then we want to make sure it works by testing it and regulating its use. You want to know about side effects, you want to know what doses to take and for how long. You are spending your money, let's make sure you get what you are paying for. If something is a "drug" (has a medicinal effect) then let's make sure it works and won't kill anyone through its use either short-term or long term. Let's not bother with food...food is just food.

As soon as you make a claim that something can cure cancer, treat a skin condition, prevent ulcers, then you have to prove it. You don't have to prove anything if you are just selling food.

Look at Trudeau. He's been in trouble for being made to follow the law. Now he's biting back and making a big buck doing it, and people are eating it up! He's a con, a fraud, and a convicted huckster.

Should we regulate drugs? Should we make people prove their claims about what they sell? Well yeah, duh. That costs money though. This is our health we are playing with.

But people like Trudeau don't want to be bothered with proving their claims. That's costly. He wants to make a fast dollar and convince you things are the other way around.

Trudea is a con and a hypocrite.
 
Iamme said:
He says medical science 101 has failed.....
He is a con man.

More people get colds and flus than ever before
Evidence please?

More people get cancer than ever before
Evidence please?

More heart disease
Evidence please?

More headaches, lupus, MS, MD, asthsma, joint, neck and back pain

More menopause

More PMS and more severe PMS

More ADD

More chronic fatigue

More insomnia

More bad skin, acne, dandruff

More depression, stress and anxiety

More sexual disfunction and infertility

More allergies, arthritis, constipation, fibromyalgia, cold sores and herpes

More prostate problems

More women with yeast infections...than ever before
Evidence, evidence, evidence? Where is your evidence.

Yet, amazingly, nmore people are seeing doctors
Amazing that things are getting so much worse but we are living so much longer. Please stop spouting claims and provide evidence?

More diagnostic tsests including blood work and x-rays
Assuming this is true, so what?

More people on prescription and non-prescription drugs
Assuming this is true, so what?

Each druggie is taking MORE drugs than ever before
Evidence?

More surgeries than ever before.
Assuming this is true, aren't surgeries getting better? Aren't doctors able to solve more problems than before with surgery thus justifying more surgery? You are making claims in a vacuum.

Where is your comparative data? Go back to 1920. What was the mortality rate? What was the life expectancy? 1820? 1720? 1620? Do you really want to go back before surgery, antibiotics and pain killers?

Hmmmm. Interesting, eh? I presume this is all adjusted for population increases. What do you suppose all this mean? Isn't it logical we are all doing something not right? And...the treatments offered us are only masking things and not curing things, if all these stats are indeed correct?
1.) "If" they are correct not necessarily. You would need to provide context to the stats.

2.) You have yet to prove them correct.
 
RandFan said:
Iamme, did you know that The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: has a department of "Disease Prevention". Do you know that the AMA stresses "Disease Prevention"? It is in the best interest of our nation to be healthy. It is ludicrous to believe our government wants us all to be sick to make money for the pharmaceutical industry.

Why does the AMA stress prevention? Isn't it in their best interest not to stress prevention?

Why does the CDC stress disease prevention?

Why is the AMA investing in genetic research that could someday prevent many diseases?

Why does the AMA stress the research of family history to prevent disease?

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Family Medical History in Disease Prevention

The importance of a family history

There is so much evidence that it would require a mountain of contravening evidence to rebut it.

I want to dare Kevin to come here and answer you guys/gals questions and factual disputes. I really don't have an answer as to what you say. As I stated in an earlier post, I too think Kevin may have gone overboard in some of his claims. But I think he makes many good points as well, for vibrant health. The one thing I want to really learn the truth on is this thing about having an alkaline body vs. an acidic one.

Do you know that our regional power companies stress for us to consume less power? Do they really mean what they say? Yet, they give industry price breaks! I haven't been sure what THAT is all about either. So when you question that medical science is striving for cures, etc., I just am not sure. We know that they are bound to work on this stuff. And it does make sense that the party to whom comes up with the answer and can patent it will get all the money. It's so obvious that surely Kevin knows about such an ovbvious question. The answer hopefuly lies in the book somewhere. I have basically been skimming the whole thing, so far.
 
More people get colds and flus than ever before (not true. More people are surviving bouts though)

More people get cancer than ever before (not true, we are living longer, but cancer rates are lower in the younger populations...but older people are more prone to cancer and we are living longer. The body ages...look up causes of cancer)

More heart disease (not true. Again, as a population ages more people will get the disease, but the rate is not rising among the age groups)

More headaches, lupus, MS, MD, asthsma, joint, neck and back pain (not true. Rates are not rising)

More menopause (more older aged women, and menopause is NATURAL)

More PMS and more severe PMS (not true)

More ADD (not true. ADD rates haven't risen since it began to be diagnosed. Diagnostic rates remain steady).

More chronic fatigue (not true)

More insomnia (not true)

More bad skin, acne, dandruff (not true, and there are more effective treatments for those that do have it)

More depression, stress and anxiety (not true, rates are the same, but people have always had these conditions. Check our rates against a country that is continuously at war)

More sexual disfunction and infertility (not true, and more women and children are surviving childbirth as well)

More allergies, arthritis, constipation, fibromyalgia, cold sores and herpes (not true, and people are surving better and having less bouts now)

More prostate problems(not true)

More women with yeast infections...than ever before (not true)

................

Yet, amazingly, nmore people are seeing doctors (good darn thing!)

More diagnostic tsests including blood work and x-rays (rates aren't increasing)

More people on prescription and non-prescription drugs (rates aren't increasing)


Each druggie is taking MORE drugs than ever before (not true, detox centers get druggies off of drugs)

More surgeries than ever before. (rates aren't increasing per person)

Trudeau doesn't even back up these claims. They are baseless and ignore all the improvements in the last 50 years.

Medicine gets better and better with every decade. People are healthier, not unhealthier. As people age we'll see people needing more treatments as their bodies naturally start to break down. These treatments increase quality of life until death. Would you rather suffer and die of old age sooner, or get help?
 
Iamme said:
...vibrant health...
Hi Iamme. I'm not trying to be contrarian to be contrarian but there is just nothing there. All of his argument quickly fall apart. What is "vibrant health"? I don't even know what that means.

Do you know that our regional power companies stress for us to consume less power? Do they really mean what they say?
Yes! I do.

Yet, they give industry price breaks! I haven't been sure what THAT is all about either.
Please to explain what you mean?

So when you question that medical science is striving for cures, etc., I just am not sure.
Not sure about what? That antibiotics don't work? That vacines don't kill viruses? That we haven't really eradicated polio, smallpox, and other serious diseases? Come on.

We know that they are bound to work on this stuff. And it does make sense that the party to whom comes up with the answer and can patent it will get all the money. It's so obvious that surely Kevin knows about such an ovbvious question. The answer hopefuly lies in the book somewhere. I have basically been skimming the whole thing, so far.
"Somewhere"? You assume much.
 
The one thing I want to really learn the truth on is this thing about having an alkaline body vs. an acidic one.

For the answers to that, look at the blood system, and the respiration system. These remain at constant PH values or you would die.

Trudeau is lying or is a huge moron. Why would you listen to a liar or a moron.

Why is he a liar or a moron? Because he ignors facts or doesn't bother to even check them.

http://www.chclibrary.org/micromed/00063580.html
http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/lectures/acidbase_mjb/causes.html
You would KNOW if your PH wasn't at normal levels!! At that, change can only be around a 0.1 to 0.04 change for you to notice. You would be dead at anything too far from "normal".

Your body regulates PH no matter what you ingest.
 
(RandFan)


Assuming this is true, aren't surgeries getting better? Aren't doctors able to solve more problems than before with surgery thus justifying more surgery? You are making claims in a vacuum.

Where is your comparative data? Go back to 1920. What was the mortality rate? What was the life expectancy? 1820? 1720? 1620? Do you really want to go back before surgery, antibiotics and pain killers?

....................................................

I TOO have considered this point, before your posting. Back then, things WERE more organic and free of pollutants and natural fertilizers were used, etc. But I think we are forgetting something. But what is it? We know that common diseases wiped people out back then. So...WHY was it wiping people out? Did God make a mistake in allowing man to succumb to common disease? Or, is there an answer that makes sense?

We know that man has never held all the answers. We currently don't know what causes apendicitis. How do *I* know? I once submitted this question to a nationally syndicated doctor and got in print! So, you'd die without the surgery. Simply put, here is just ONE case where surgery is necessary!

But I'm still trying to think of what killed so many peole back then and if there could have been natural ways where these people really didn't have to die...short of taking drugs. It doesn't make sense to me either, why man would have to have all these drugs.

It really would be fun trying to get Kevin over here. I will indeed try to get ahold of him and ask him if he has the muster to stand up to a skeptic messageboard.
 
The answer hopefuly lies in the book somewhere. I have basically been skimming the whole thing, so far.

There are no answers in the book. You bought the book, and will only buy one. Now he wants you to pay monthly payments to his web site. Ongoing payments! Whoooo!! You will get to the part where he will recommend quackery, and promises more if you pay to see his web site.

You are being suckered. He's reeling you in. He will even recommend scientology!! Are you going to join scientology?? Please tell me NO!!

If you compare many of his claims to a scientologist's claims you would not be surprised at a connection.
 
I am very interested to know why Iamme has not responded to my challenge to go read Quakwatch.org, or my refutation that the FDA commissioner's quote could have anything to do with the book it shows up on.

So I am going to let loose without civility for a moment.


Hey Troll! Yes, that's what I call people that post and post and post and do not respond to questions or statements directed to discuss what they repeatedly post over and over. So yeah, you. Troll. HAVE YOU GONE TO QUACKWATCH? Did you miss that I stated EVERY claim Trudeau makes is not only refuted there, but done so in a very easily read way? Or are you just emulating a brick wall for us to bang our heads against?


I will remove the moniker of Troll I have given you when you actually go read Quackwatch.org. When you stop repeatedly posting claims without evidence to back them up, and when you stop ignoring responses.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
For the answers to that, look at the blood system, and the respiration system. These remain at constant PH values or you would die.

Trudeau is lying or is a huge moron. Why would you listen to a liar or a moron.

Why is he a liar or a moron? Because he ignors facts or doesn't bother to even check them.

http://www.chclibrary.org/micromed/00063580.html
http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/lectures/acidbase_mjb/causes.html
You would KNOW if your PH wasn't at normal levels!! At that, change can only be around a 0.1 to 0.04 change for you to notice. You would be dead at anything too far from "normal".

Your body regulates PH no matter what you ingest.

Hmmmmm. Moron or liar? Hmmmm. Could he be like another Joe Newman, infamous for his energy machine...where their egos are so strong that they think the rest of the world are idiots, except them? For some reason I am inclined more to lean this way to to lean toward believing he is a liar. It is a gut feeling I have.

I am going off line now as I have to go shopping before taking the 20 mile ride home. Good night. It's been fun.
 
But I'm still trying to think of what killed so many peole back then and if there could have been natural ways where these people really didn't have to die...short of taking drugs. It doesn't make sense to me either, why man would have to have all these drugs.

We are NOT having to take sooo many drugs! Are you taking any?

What killed so many people back then was ignorance. You have a festering wound. You drink some remedy and hope it goes away. You don't know that wound is full of icky bacteria and they are eating you alive and producing toxins that will stop your heart at the same time by changing your blood ph levels. Read up on bacterial infections.

You got a cold/flu, and you didn't know not to just drink water as your ion balances fail. You died from dehydration even though your drank gallons of water! Read up on viral infections.

You died in childbirth because nobody knew about RH factors.

So, in spite of EVERYTHING being "organic" you died at a younger age and looked like hell doing it. You died of preventable diseases, you died from lack of surgery for appendicitis. You died in horrible pain and agony from undiagnosed tumors growing on your spine.

Trudeau is lying lying lying. You can treat a bacteria infection by keeping it clean...but you can also use peroxide to kill the bacteria and thus allowing yourself a chance to heal faster. Once the infection starts to spread in spite of all your interventions though...get thee to a doc!!

We know of some self treatments and of some preventative methods. We don't run to the doctor and get drugs for every little thing. Yet the tools are available if needed. These are tools, and there is no dependency being created. These lies and conspiracy theories are false and proven false.

Stop eating that crap up, please.
 
Iamme said:
Hmmmmm. Moron or liar? Hmmmm. Could he be like another Joe Newman, infamous for his energy machine...where their egos are so strong that they think the rest of the world are idiots, except them? For some reason I am inclined more to lean this way to to lean toward believing he is a liar. It is a gut feeling I have.

I am going off line now as I have to go shopping before taking the 20 mile ride home. Good night. It's been fun.
:D

Whew. It sounds like sense is coming through. So I vote fowlsound NEVER call you a troll ever again.

Thanks, it has been kinda fun.
 

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