iPhone 5

[funk de fino]

UK service provider is giving minimum 30 day waiting time for iphone5 upgraders at this time.

 

[funk de fino]

Apple iPhone is the make, the # is the model.

Apply that to the iPad?

Why did you snip out the other stuff posted? I thought some good points were made.

 

[chulbert]

Apple iPhone is the make, the # is the model. Pretty hilarious you want us to buy that so you can continue to use that lie. Even if you convinced someone of that, then that would mean that the Samsung Galaxy S2, S2 Skyrocket, and S3 would count as one phone as well!! Apple would still be losing.

OK so maybe they stopped selling the 3GS since the last time you tried this spin.

The top 3 Samsung phones are absolutely destroying the top 3 Apple Phones. You can't even come up with convincing spin to make it not so. Also, the gap is widening.

The make is Apple, the model is iPhone, then you have the year.

I actually agree it's disingenuous to say Apple has only one phone. However, while they sell three phones it's really just the current model, last year's model, and the year's before that. That's different than Samsung, which has multiple lines and concurrently sells multiple models from each line.

It's like Toyota selling the 2012 Camry, the 2011 Camry, and the 2010 Camry, as opposed to Ford selling the Taurus, the Focus, and the Escape.

However, there's no denying that Samsung has twice the smartphone marketshare as Apple.

 

[This is The End]

I actually agree it's disingenuous to say Apple has only one phone. However, while they sell three phones it's really just the current model, last year's model, and the year's before that.

Even if that were true, that means every Samsung Galaxy S is also one phone.

iPhone 4 = Galaxy S II
iPhone 4S = Galaxy S II Skyrocket
iPhone 5 = Galaxy S III

There is just no way to spin it in favor of Apple, I'm sorry.

I swear I just addressed that 3 posts up.

But seriously, step back and look at yourselves trying to claim that the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 are not different models...

Have you compared an iPhone 4 and 5 lately? Look at them and then remember that you tried to tell me they are the same model!!

Apple iPhone is the make. 4, 4S, 5 are the models. The car analogy is horribly broken, please don't make me explain why.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Apple iPhone is the make, the # is the model. Pretty hilarious you want us to buy that so you can continue to use that lie. Even if you convinced someone of that, then that would mean that the Samsung Galaxy S2, S2 Skyrocket, and S3 would count as one phone as well!! Apple would still be losing.

OK so maybe they stopped selling the 3GS since the last time you tried this spin.

The top 3 Samsung phones are absolutely destroying the top 3 Apple Phones. You can't even come up with convincing spin to make it not so. Also, the gap is widening.

All I see is how the total number of samsung phones *shipped* is greater than the number of iphones sold.

Can you back up your claim above that the s2/s3 outsells the iphone 4/4s/5 ?

I'm betting you can't.

 

[This is The End]

All I see is how the total number of samsung phones *shipped* is greater than the number of iphones sold.

Can you back up your claim above that the s2/s3 outsells the iphone 4/4s/5 ?

I'm betting you can't.

It's not even close. s2/s2 s/s3 are absolutely destroying the iphone 4/4s/5. If you have numbers that show otherwise I would love to see them.

 

[funk de fino]

It's not even close. s2/s2 s/s3 are absolutely destroying the iphone 4/4s/5. If you have numbers that show otherwise I would love to see them.

Why don't you prove him wrong? It is your claim.

 

[chulbert]

Even if that were true, that means every Samsung Galaxy S is also one phone.

iPhone 4 = Galaxy S II
iPhone 4S = Galaxy S II Skyrocket
iPhone 5 = Galaxy S III

I have no problem with this comparison.

There is just no way to spin it in favor of Apple, I'm sorry.

I swear I just addressed that 3 posts up.

I'm not trying to spin anything. In fact, I clearly stated - and you failed to quote - that there's no disputing that Samsung has twice the unitshare.

But seriously, step back and look at yourselves trying to claim that the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 are not different models...

Have you compared an iPhone 4 and 5 lately? Look at them and then remember that you tried to tell me they are the same model!!

Apple iPhone is the make. 4, 4S, 5 are the models. The car analogy is horribly broken, please don't make me explain why.

I wouldn't dream of asking you to explain anything after your performance in the discussion on the number of active smartphones.

 

[This is The End]

Why don't you prove him wrong? It is your claim.

Are you serious?? I'm the one disputing TheL8Elvis's claim that if you only count the iPhones as 1 phone that they are the top seller. How is it my claim??

 

[This is The End]

I'm not trying to spin anything. In fact, I clearly stated - and you failed to quote - that there's no disputing that Samsung has twice the unitshare.

Ah, OK then, I apologize.

I wouldn't dream of asking you to explain anything after your performance in the discussion on the number of active smartphones.

OH please.... Three pages of people quoting everything but currently active numbers and you say I put on a performance. If you have a link that says the number of currently active iPhones as of December 2011, I would love to see it.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Are you serious?? I'm the one disputing TheL8Elvis's claim that if you only count the iPhones as 1 phone that they are the top seller. How is it my claim??

Please quote my claim. Here is yours, please provide your evidence for it:

The top 3 Samsung phones are absolutely destroying the top 3 Apple Phones. You can't even come up with convincing spin to make it not so. Also, the gap is widening.

 

[quadraginta]

@ TheL8Elvis.

I'm not asking this to be snarky, but I wonder if you would tell me.

If it were to be established by some metric which you find satisfactory that Samsung really is outselling iPhone ... say units of iPhone5 vs. Samsung GS3's actually in use by real, individual consumers ... would that bother you a lot?

'Cause it seems from the tenor of your posts that you would find such a situation to be profoundly disturbing.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

@ TheL8Elvis.

I'm not asking this to be snarky, but I wonder if you would tell me.

If it were to be established by some metric which you find satisfactory that Samsung really is outselling iPhone ... say units of iPhone5 vs. Samsung GS3's actually in use by real, individual consumers ... would that bother you a lot?

'Cause it seems from the tenor of your posts that you would find such a situation to be profoundly disturbing.

It would not bother me.
I don't have a problem with the fact that all of samsungs phones are outselling all of apples phones. It's just when information is pulled out of the ether, like ' galaxy III is crushing iPhone 5' or similar, I would just like to see where the data is to back up these claims. I have not seen it.

 

[carlitos]

Here are the top ten handsets in the UK. 2 Samsungs, followed by 2 iPhones. iPhone 5 moved 5 million units in 3 days, but it wasn't enough to top Samsung Galaxy S3 sales.

http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/mobile_tracker/

ETA - apparently Galaxy S3 sales increased in the US with the release of the iPhone 5, as people apparently were waiting to see what it was before buying a phone. It apparently underwhelmed some undecided buyers.

http://www.autoomobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-iphone-5-sales/1006720/

Galaxy S3 weekly sales growth #'s

 

[funk de fino]

Here are the top ten handsets in the UK. 2 Samsungs, followed by 2 iPhones. iPhone 5 moved 5 million units in 3 days, but it wasn't enough to top Samsung Galaxy S3 sales.

http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/mobile_tracker/

ETA - apparently Galaxy S3 sales increased in the US with the release of the iPhone 5, as people apparently were waiting to see what it was before buying a phone. It apparently underwhelmed some undecided buyers.

http://www.autoomobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-iphone-5-sales/1006720/

Galaxy S3 weekly sales growth #'s

Thats more like it. Some data at last.

 

[This is The End]

Thats more like it. Some data at last.

Oh please.

I suppose you weren't here 30 posts ago, on the top of this very page, when the data was posted that caused TheL8Elvis to try and frantically spin?

"Data at last" indeed.

The gap widens yet again..

Forget lumping together Android manufacturers as a group, now just a single manufacturer, Samsung, is selling literally twice as many smartphones as Apple.

http://www.reghardware.com/2012/10/26/samsung_ships_two_smartphones_for_every_one_apple/

Interesting how this kind of marketshare news rarely gets mainstream coverage. Then again, i was surprised at how prominent the bad publicity regarding iOS 6 maps was on big news sites like the BBC. I does seem that the media seem less inclined to give Apple a free ride these days.

First TheL8Elvis claimed it was shipped vs sales from reading the headline only!!! Which, even though that is hilarious on its face, also implies that the Samsung phones are just sitting in some warehouse somewhere. Like companies don't research supply and demand.

But if you actually read the first 3 paragraphs it is clearly shipped vs shipped:

According to SA, Samsung’s share was 35.2 per cent, achieved by shipping 56.9 million smartphones.

As ABI noted, that’s more the twice the 26.9 million units Apple shipped during the same three-month period, enough iPhones to give the Cupertino firm 16.6 per cent of the market. Both figures come from SA.

Apple’s shipments were up year on year 57.3 per cent, Samsung up 102.5 per cent.

So then TheL8Elvis used the old fallback of "oh well if you count all the iPhones as 1 phone then Apple is still winning". Which has been thoroughly debunked every single time it has been brought up in this sub-forum. The Galaxy S line of phones is handedly outselling the iPhone line of phones.

 

[carlitos]

Who or what are you arguing against?

 

[This is The End]

Who or what are you arguing against?

The user I quoted and the content of their quote.

 

[carlitos]

Is this a real quote though?

oh well if you count all the iPhones as 1 phone then Apple is still winning

 

[funk de fino]

Oh please.

I suppose you weren't here 30 posts ago, on the top of this very page, when the data was posted that caused TheL8Elvis to try and frantically spin?

"Data at last" indeed.



First TheL8Elvis claimed it was shipped vs sales from reading the headline only!!! Which, even though that is hilarious on its face, also implies that the Samsung phones are just sitting in some warehouse somewhere. Like companies don't research supply and demand.

But if you actually read the first 3 paragraphs it is clearly shipped vs shipped:

So then TheL8Elvis used the old fallback of "oh well if you count all the iPhones as 1 phone then Apple is still winning". Which has been thoroughly debunked every single time it has been brought up in this sub-forum. The Galaxy S line of phones is handedly outselling the iPhone line of phones.

Shipped is not what counts here. That was the point. Duh!

You purposefully ignored when he pointed to the data on shipping and sales of a tablet.

How about you try bringing the data to back up your sales claims instead of pulling chains? If you can't, then thats OK.