iPhone 5

[Hungry81]

I'd not be too surprised at all. I have a friend who got a 5S and didn't even know what iMessage was or how to switch it on. It was his first smartphone though, and he was adamant he wanted "the fastest and best".
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Oh that's a shame, he should have bought an android phone then.

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Oh that's a shame, he should have bought an android phone then.

I said "fastest and best", not "fussiest and bugged"! ;-)

 

[This is The End]

There may well be lots of people I DON'T know who have Android devices - they just don't seem to be out in public much.

I'm not sure I understand what that means.

Are you claiming that people you see on a daily basis in the general public do not have Android devices?

 

[This is The End]

I said "fastest and best", not "fussiest and bugged"! ;-)

That's odd, my Android device is neither "fussy" or "bugged"?

Perhaps you meant "open and free" versus "closed and totalitarian"? ;-)

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

I'm not sure I understand what that means.

Are you claiming that people you see on a daily basis in the general public do not have Android devices?

No. I'm saying that the vast majority of people I know and see don't have Android devices. They either have iPhones or pre-smartphones. Of course I see one or two Android phones in the wild, but not many.

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

That's odd, my Android device is neither "fussy" or "bugged"?

Perhaps you meant "open and free" versus "closed and totalitarian"? ;-)

You must have got lucky... Is it a Samsung? I still nearly wet myself when Samsung were forced to stop copying 'pinch to zoom', and replaced it with 'tilt to zoom', where you had to put two fingers on the screen, tilt the phone and stand on one leg under a full moon (or something) in order to zoom. They then advertised this as a 'feature' that they had over the iPhone 5 - ah, good times! LOL! Got to admire their balls though in making a marketing gimmick out of pure fail!

I like to call Apple a generous and benevolent dictatorship myself - they decide what can go on my phone, and in return they keep my phone virus free, smooth fast and fuss-free - not to mention they provide me with an excellent Eco-system where my phone, tablet, desktop and Apple TV all act in unison. It's good to know that I can download a song from iTunes at work, walk home for 5 mins, and when I get home the same song will be accessible on my tablet, desktop and Apple TV.

Still, I suppose if I was eager to explore the murky, exciting world of crappy third party apps that clog up my phone, add no real value and open my phone to malware, then I could jailbreak the phone. Or buy a Samsung - don't they come complete with bloat ware as standard?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

No, it was a serious fubar.

Some people got bad directions. iPhone sales continued to improve. Maps continued to improve.

Where are the dire consequences ?

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Some people got bad directions. iPhone sales continued to improve. Maps continued to improve.

Where are the dire consequences ?

Apparently, nowhere to be seen for Apple;

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/11/apple-maps-google-iphone-users

 

[TheL8Elvis]

They include them because they are free, and provide a basic suite of services for the phone. Just like Windows comes with a browser and a note editor (among other things). Only not just like, because Windows isn't free.

Free as in beer. Not free as in open source that you were touting. That's the difference.

Google has stopped Open source development on key pieces of android and made them closed source, and uses them to tightly control the android ecosystem through the OHA.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

You must have got lucky... Is it a Samsung? I still nearly wet myself when Samsung were forced to stop copying 'pinch to zoom', and replaced it with 'tilt to zoom', where you had to put two fingers on the screen, tilt the phone and stand on one leg under a full moon (or something) in order to zoom. They then advertised this as a 'feature' that they had over the iPhone 5 - ah, good times! LOL! Got to admire their balls though in making a marketing gimmick out of pure fail!

Hah, that you drink the Apple kool-aid is clear. You can stop proving it.

I like to call Apple a generous and benevolent dictatorship myself - they decide what can go on my phone, and in return they keep my phone virus free, smooth fast and fuss-free -

So does Google.

not to mention they provide me with an excellent Eco-system where my phone, tablet, desktop and Apple TV all act in unison. It's good to know that I can download a song from iTunes at work, walk home for 5 mins, and when I get home the same song will be accessible on my tablet, desktop and Apple TV.

Yes, an ecosystem is nice, but compare it to the Google ecosystem. My phone and desktop act in unison no matter what what OS I am using on what product. The Google ecosystem is more open in a host of ways, like how you control your data in their cloud storage, to only requiring a web browser instead of desktop apps.

Still, I suppose if I was eager to explore the murky, exciting world of crappy third party apps that clog up my phone, add no real value and open my phone to malware, then I could jailbreak the phone. Or buy a Samsung - don't they come complete with bloat ware as standard?

Er, no, jailbreaking would allow you to get rid of the crappy first party apps that everyone creates a "Crapple" folder to hide away. You can get third party apps any time you with from the app store on either platform.

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Hah, that you drink the Apple kool-aid is clear. You can stop proving it.

You don't have to be an Apple fan to find that funny. As I recall, there were many sites on the web critical of that piece of farcical comedy!

So does Google.

I'm sure they try (for a certain value of 'try') - they're just not very good at it:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/go...the-google-play-store-enemy-inside-the-gates/

I can't remember the last time I saw an article posting reams of tips about security and staying malware free regarding the App Store... Probably because, In fact, I haven't.

Yes, an ecosystem is nice, but compare it to the Google ecosystem. My phone and desktop act in unison no matter what what OS I am using on what product. The Google ecosystem is more open in a host of ways, like how you control your data in their cloud storage, to only requiring a web browser instead of desktop apps.

Really? So if you had a Windows 8 tablet and an Android phone, and you downloaded an App on your phone, it'd be instantly available on your tablet? You learn something new every day!

Er, no, jailbreaking would allow you to get rid of the crappy first party apps that everyone creates a "Crapple" folder to hide away.

Everyone? You asked every single iPhone owner about this? Wow - dedication.

I think you missed me out though - there's only one first party App I don't use and would like to get rid of, and that's Stocks. I'm hardly going to create a separate folder for it though when it can just sit in my Utilities folder.

You can get third party apps any time you with from the app store on either platform.

Yes you can; but the only problem I face when considering downloading an app from the App Store is "Will I use it?", or "Will I like it?", as opposed to "is this App dodgy? Will it infect my phone with malware?", "Is this app a badly-written piece of cr@p that will slow my phone down", as can happen with Google Play. Like I said - I can do without that sort of excitement!

 

[carlitos]

No, it just means the maps debacle, was, as I claimed, a tempest in a teapot.

While Google maps are still better, I have been using Apple maps in the US for the last year without a problem, and they seem to continually be improving. I can't say for the rest of the world.

I've used iphone maps for directions in multiple cities in multiple countries and it's pretty much always worked. I usually open maps and then voice search "Chipotle" or whatever I'm walking or cabbing to.

As an example of my experience with maps, about a year ago I went to my grandmother's house. Every mapping solution had it in the wrong location marker. With Google Maps I could report the problem as well as enter Map Maker (which is sort of a more reviewed wiki), and with Apple Maps and Bing Maps I could just report it.

End result is that Apple Maps are still wrong a year out. Why do you hate my grandma ?

When I first got the iPhone, it had a location about 2 blocks wrong. I dragged the little dot to the right place and reported it. Went back a couple months later, and I was curious to see that it was fixed.

One bug still in iphone maps is that it seems to like u-turns. I've had it tell me to go past locations and make a u-turn rather than just turning left when there is a lane to do so.

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

I've used iphone maps for directions in multiple cities in multiple countries and it's pretty much always worked. I usually open maps and then voice search "Chipotle" or whatever I'm walking or cabbing to.


When I first got the iPhone, it had a location about 2 blocks wrong. I dragged the little dot to the right place and reported it. Went back a couple months later, and I was curious to see that it was fixed.

One bug still in iphone maps is that it seems to like u-turns. I've had it tell me to go past locations and make a u-turn rather than just turning left when there is a lane to do so.

I've never had any real problems with Apple Maps except that it thinks my parents house is 300 m or so up another street, but so did my old TomTom, and so did Google Maps.

 

[Darat]

It's nice that you're interested.

It may also interest you to know that I have 48 contacts on my phone - 31 are idevices; 2 are Android, and the rest are duplicate contacts I've yet to sort out; or landlines.

My point? I dunno - other than I appear to be surrounded by iPhones during my day to day life. YMMV.

Which as I say is interesting given that in the UK the ratio is usually about 2:1 in androids favour. So it seems very strange that your experience is so much of an outlier. Wonder why that is so?

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Which as I say is interesting given that in the UK the ratio is usually about 2:1 in androids favour. So it seems very strange that your experience is so much of an outlier. Wonder why that is so?

It is? You also say 'usually' - does it fluctuate a great deal? Where did that ratio come from?

I think someone needs to tell the percentage of the UK population I see regularly that they're doing it wrong, then.

Maybe I associate with a more discerning kind of person - who knows?!

 

[Darat]

It is? You also say 'usually' - does it fluctuate a great deal? Where did that ratio come from?

Statistics on smartphone sales.

I think someone needs to tell the percentage of the UK population I see regularly that they're doing it wrong, then.

Maybe I associate with a more discerning kind of person - who knows?!

Don't you find it interesting that you are such an outlier?

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Statistics on smartphone sales.

Care to share?

Don't you find it interesting that you are such an outlier?

I am? When - more or less - everyone around you - or in your social circle - has an iPhone, I'd imagine they're in a a similar position to me.

I have somewhere between 60 - 80 friends on Facebook, and off the top of my head, I'd say about 80% of them have iPhones. Certainly, nearly every time I see a photo on FB it is "uploaded via iOS".

I might actually do a break down of my FB friends, and people I know by device ownership. That'll be very interesting...

 

[Darat]

Care to share?

http://www.tech-thoughts.net/2013/11/smartphone-market-share-by-country-q3-2013.html

I am? When - more or less - everyone around you - or in your social circle - has an iPhone, I'd imagine they're in a a similar position to me.

I doubt it given the stats.

I have somewhere between 60 - 80 friends on Facebook, and off the top of my head, I'd say about 80% of them have iPhones. Certainly, nearly every time I see a photo on FB it is "uploaded via iOS".

I might actually do a break down of my FB friends, and people I know by device ownership. That'll be very interesting...

Ever heard of confirmation bias^WP

 

[quadraginta]

I've used iphone maps for directions in multiple cities in multiple countries and it's pretty much always worked. I usually open maps and then voice search "Chipotle" or whatever I'm walking or cabbing to.


When I first got the iPhone, it had a location about 2 blocks wrong. I dragged the little dot to the right place and reported it. Went back a couple months later, and I was curious to see that it was fixed.

One bug still in iphone maps is that it seems to like u-turns. I've had it tell me to go past locations and make a u-turn rather than just turning left when there is a lane to do so.

I mentioned Waze upthread. You might want to check it out. It's a social network based mapping and navigation app that lets members report local traffic conditions as they occur as well as contribute to map corrections and additions.

If you live anywhere of even modest population density I expect you'll be surprised to learn how many people are partifipating. I know I was (in the Ral./Dur./Chapel Hill area of NC). It's a lot more timely on traffic problems than anything else I've seen, even to the point of warning about disabled vehicles on the roadside and speed traps.

 

[quadraginta]

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I have somewhere between 60 - 80 friends on Facebook, and off the top of my head, I'd say about 80% of them have iPhones. Certainly, nearly every time I see a photo on FB it is "uploaded via iOS".

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Mebbe that's because they haven't figured out how to turn off those moronic "uploaded via ..." tags.

I think that all started out when the Crackberries were shiny and new. Most people have grown out of it by now.