iPhone 5

[mikeyx]

Sad is your cultish devotion to Apple.... in other news, Windows continues to suck

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Let me break it down for you more clearly, then...

That is a good point. It is my understanding that there are tons of 3GS users that skipped 4 and 4S completely.

Evidence ? Where did you get this understanding from.

Either they had 3GS since launch way back when (09?), or else they got it more recently in the 4/4S era because it was dirt cheap.

Almost all of them have been waiting for this day.

So add to that the die-hards that update ASAP every time there is a new version.... We are going to be looking at huge iPhone 5 sales numbers.

They need it.

Android/Samsung have been absolutely gobbling up the smart phone market share:

Apple is seriously hoping this (3GS users like Vermonter) is one of the reasons, if not the main reason, why they have been losing market share.

Did you speak with tim cook ? Did he tell you this ?

How did you draw the conclusion that 3GS users waiting to upgrade might be the main reason for apple losing market share.

You only linked to data for the last quarter - not overall market share, and not any prior data that might show any trends, such as sales dipping the quarter before the expected new phone release every year.

Ugh!!
First of all, I included links to the facts and figures. It's not only linked to in the parts snipped out of what you quoted, it's actually quoted!

2nd level quotes don't appear in responses.

You say "please include some actual facts and figures". They were in both posts you quoted. But you wouldn't know it from looking at both of your posts, because it was snipped from my quotes!

I read your link with 'facts and figures. It didn't do anything to support the point you were trying to make. See above about how quotes work when I hit reply.

They have dipped a bit to around 15% Phone OS market share. I explained why I think that happened in that post. If that would have continued they would be into single digits, just like their PC and PC OS market share. Everyone is predicting a huge bump from the iPhone 5 which should bring them up to maybe 20%. I made that quite clear in my posts.

Which smart phone manufacturer has more market share than apple ?

Second off all, your post from that other thread is clearly a fail. All you have to do is read my quote for comprehension and then look at your source.

Please elaborate. You claim apple has only 12million active devices but my post is a fail ?
ETA: I see you responded in the other thread, so we can keep that topic there ...

 

[CynicalSkeptic]

I'm not blown away by the new iPhone, but I'll probably still get one anyway, simply due to there being no reasonable alternatives. Android has an acceptable app catalog, but no nice hardware (expecting perhaps HTC's One X).

What's wrong with the Galaxy S III? Too big?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

You seemed less emphatic about this a few months ago, when the same subject came up in this thread, and a number of people pointed out that they routinely carry spare batteries.

I was referring to people I know IRL. But as I said in that thread,
People who need extra batteries, swap SD cards, root/jailbreak thier phones, etc are the exception, not the rule.

Spare batteries are smaller, for one thing. Why buy a battery to charge another battery with a battery charger unless it's a battery you can't swap out.

Other reasons ... for example ...

My dad turned 82 last month, and for some stocking-stuffer type presents I got him a couple of spare batteries and a spare USB data/charger cable for his phone, plus one of these.

You see, he likes to go camping on the Outer Banks, and is prone to leave his car charger in his other car. He's run out of phone juice pretty regularly down there. Now he can keep the universal charger and spare cable in his toiletry kit, and he'll always have a few days worth of batteries charged up 'til he can get to a power source, if he needs them.

Sometimes he forgets to put his phone on the charger even when he's home. (Hey, he's 82. ) It's more convenient for him to swap in a charged battery and put the used one on a charger than it is to hook up the phone and wait.

I don't see why something like this, Stitchway UltraPower 1900 mAh Backup Battery Charger for iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, 4G, iPod, and iPod touch - External, Portable, Rechargeable (Black) isn't pretty much functionally equivalent. It's small, portable and cheap. I think that makes the non-removable battery a non-issue for those few folks who feel the need to have spare batteries.

 

[kajata]

almost 60 posts and none has mentioned the killer feature yet? How the phone market has lasted so long without wrist straps I'll never know.

I know the intention of your post was to show off your biting sarcasm but the wrist strap is for the iPod Touch, not the iPhone.

 

[richardm]

I know the intention of your post was to show off your biting sarcasm but the wrist strap is for the iPod Touch, not the iPhone.

Then I shall wait for the iPhone 5Strap

 

[kajata]

Then I shall wait for the iPhone 5Strap

I think Samsung will have one out in a few weeks.

 

[Dan O.]

I just read that. I saw the adapter, but didn't read into what the limitations were. I agree, this is definitely in "forced upgrade" territory, and there will be a (very understandable) backlash as a result. If I had a bunch of accessories that used A/V out, I'd be pretty torqued!

In the other side, they give you streaming video mirroring so it can perform the same function without tying the phone down.

Will it be possible to create a app to turn the old iPhone into an apple tv like device? Then you could stream content from the new phone through the old phone and onto the video dock thing.

 

[no one in particular]

That is a good point. It is my understanding that there are tons of 3GS users that skipped 4 and 4S completely.

Evidence ? Where did you get this understanding from.

For the claim to be literally true, it is only required that about twenty-three¹ 3GS users skipped 4 and 4S.




¹The number of average American's required to make the word "ton" plural.

 

[Dan O.]

Anyway, this new article sums up many of those features we have been hearing about:

iPhone 5: 10 Rumored Features You'll Already Find in Competing Devices

Well here is the first of those 10 that it appears Apple did not come through with:

1. Near-field communication

This is an easy one, isn’t it? Near-field communication is an absolute necessity in every smartphone going forward, and yet, it’s not available in Apple’s iPhone. That’ll likely change with the iPhone 5. However, several companies, including Apple’s arch-nemesis Samsung, have already bundled NFC into their products. Sorry, Apple, but you’re a little late to the game.

And it was #1 on that list, they considered it a "no-brainer".

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-09-12/apple-iphone-5-in-stores-sept-dot-21

One feature missing from the new phone is a chip for near-field communications, or NFC. Other top-of-the-line phones are incorporating such chips, which let phones work as credit cards at some store payment terminals. They also enable phones to share data when "bumped" into each other.

One of the problems with any radio communication is that the user cannot see where the communication is comming from. While NFC reduced power makes interception and spoofing unlikely, it cannot be prevented entirely.

An alternative to Near Field Communications would be Near Sighted Communications. A QR code on one device can be read by a camera on another device. With a smart phone, the user can see the image that is being scanned. The phone can then be turned around to present a reply.

 

[chulbert]

Apple is seriously hoping this (3GS users like Vermonter) is one of the reasons, if not the main reason, why they have been losing market share.

Why anybody would compare the number of physical devices by a single manufacturer to the number of operating system installs across multiple manufacturers is not clear to me.

 

[chulbert]

And it was #1 on that list, they considered it a "no-brainer".

The only thing no-brainer about it were the people who predicted it.

 

[chulbert]

One of the problems with any radio communication is that the user cannot see where the communication is comming from. While NFC reduced power makes interception and spoofing unlikely, it cannot be prevented entirely.

An alternative to Near Field Communications would be Near Sighted Communications. A QR code on one device can be read by a camera on another device. With a smart phone, the user can see the image that is being scanned. The phone can then be turned around to present a reply.

Not to mention the bottom line: NFC payment methods are buggy and unreliable. It's exceptionally uncommon for Apple to release a feature that guarantee to work.

 

[elgarak]

Not to mention the bottom line: NFC payment methods are buggy and unreliable. It's exceptionally uncommon for Apple to release a feature that guarantee to work.

From what I understand, Apple plans to introduce "self checkout" in their own stores. No additional hardware required: Use the camera to scan the barcode on the product, and send payment information to Apple, who have the customer's credit card info on file.

No reason to extend that to other stores as well. Of course, it means Apple's in the loop for all payments, but I guess there's a way around that.

From Apple's point of view: Why invest in R&D for NFC to make it safe and reliable when you already have a safe and reliable equivalent function on hand that just needs to be licensed and contracted?

 

[elgarak]

Let me break it down for you more clearly, then...



Evidence ? Where did you get this understanding from.



Did you speak with tim cook ? Did he tell you this ?

How did you draw the conclusion that 3GS users waiting to upgrade might be the main reason for apple losing market share.

You only linked to data for the last quarter - not overall market share, and not any prior data that might show any trends, such as sales dipping the quarter before the expected new phone release every year.



2nd level quotes don't appear in responses.



I read your link with 'facts and figures. It didn't do anything to support the point you were trying to make. See above about how quotes work when I hit reply.



Which smart phone manufacturer has more market share than apple ?
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Please elaborate. You claim apple has only 12million active devices but my post is a fail ?
ETA: I see you responded in the other thread, so we can keep that topic there ...

Another metric: According to NetMarketShare*, iOS has a 65% share of mobile internet traffic, vs. 21% for Android. It seems that Android owners don't use their phones and tablets for much web browsing....

*I'm not sure of their hot linking/image copying policies, but I think a direct links seems OK.

 

[merentha]

Batteries die over time. I like the practicality of simply popping in a new battery instead of sending in the entire phone to be fixed.

There is also a vanity reason for the removable battery cover on the Samsung S3. This. I turned my pebble blue phone into a sweet hot pink with a pop of a lid. The official case replaces the original back cover for a sleek effect.

 

[funk de fino]

Let me break it down for you more clearly, then...Which smart phone manufacturer has more market share than apple ?
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You do know that is just USA market?

 

[merentha]

NFC isn't limited to payment. Programmable NFC tags can be really useful. E.g. tap a tag in your car to instantly switch the phone to handsfree mode + turn on GPS without flipping through the screen menu, or switch to music player mode on the fly. Any bets that if this feature is introduced in the iPhone 5S, the Apple faithfuls will think it's the best thing since sliced bread and that it's all thanks to Apple "innovation"?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

From what I understand, Apple plans to introduce "self checkout" in their own stores. No additional hardware required: Use the camera to scan the barcode on the product, and send payment information to Apple, who have the customer's credit card info on file.

No reason to extend that to other stores as well. Of course, it means Apple's in the loop for all payments, but I guess there's a way around that.

From Apple's point of view: Why invest in R&D for NFC to make it safe and reliable when you already have a safe and reliable equivalent function on hand that just needs to be licensed and contracted?

Apple started self checkout last year.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/08...t-new-self-checkout-system-for-retail-stores/

 

[TheL8Elvis]

You do know that is just USA market?

Yes, globally I imagine Samsung is beating apple (for right now )