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International Men's Day is apparently controversial

cullennz said:
You keep asking "The stupid" question

Im fine with feminists taking a stand when it is relevant and would stand beside them

Name some current rights women do not have
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Catch up to the thread. (Read my reply to your first asking of this question.)
 
Sideroxylon said:
Male societal problems are inisignificsnt in comparison to female ones. Add to that the fact that female lack of rights is the result of a historic male hegemony.
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You realize that this is the 21st century - not early 20th, right? Legislated discrimination is rare nowadays. In fact, affirmative action abounds almost everywhere.

Women still face barriers in employment due largely to the fact that motherhood is not conducive to career advancement. The only aspect of this that should be of concern is that it is more difficult for women to build up a decent retirement nest egg.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Again, you're not calling it oppression? Are you sure?

Who, exactly, are the women's rights/awareness groups striving to make women's rights and access equal to? It shouldn't take long to work it out when you consider the sort of binary thinking in institutions. It's "equality with men". Identifying an area that is of greater concern to men does not equate that to "rights" and particularly not "rights never given"... because they were given centuries ago.

It makes absolute sense that the group's continued emphasis would be on furthering women's rights and equality. There are very few areas where "men's rights" are unequal to women's, although there are numerous areas of concern to men that do need addressing.... just not as a right's issue, as a concern issue or issue issue.
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You are drawing a long bow from such a short post. It had nothing to do with "oppression" or "rights".

This is only about "gender inequalities" (but apparently, only where it negatively impacts on women). This might not conjure up thoughts of slavery as much as more scary buzz-words like "oppression" or "lack of rights" would but I see no need to sensationalize the issue.
 
psionl0 said:
You realize that this is the 21st century - not early 20th, right? Legislated discrimination is rare nowadays. In fact, affirmative action abounds almost everywhere.

Women still face barriers in employment due largely to the fact that motherhood is not conducive to career advancement. The only aspect of this that should be of concern is that it is more difficult for women to build up a decent retirement nest egg.
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As has been pointed out progress has only been made in part of the world. And sexism is still very much a thing in the West.
 
Sideroxylon said:
As has been pointed out progress has only been made in part of the world.
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We can only deal with this part of the world. I for one would love to punish those rulers who mistreat their citizens, especially when the mistreatment is sexually or racially motivated. Unfortunately, .....

Sideroxylon said:
And sexism is still very much a thing in the West.
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That is very much a perception and it works both ways.
 
psionl0 said:
We can only deal with this part of the world. I for one would love to punish those rulers who mistreat their citizens, especially when the mistreatment is sexually or racially motivated. Unfortunately, .....
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These days are a point of focus for international problems. Womens day goes by unnoticed and without much media attention at all. These kinds of days seem to be a date to set conferences and lobby for action that is global.
 
psionl0 said:
We can only deal with this part of the world. I for one would love to punish those rulers who mistreat their citizens, especially when the mistreatment is sexually or racially motivated. Unfortunately, .....
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Who is "we" and what is "this part of the world" You're addressing someone who spent years in Turkey. I'm in Thailand. Wolfman and Roborrama are in China. Do we have to put on our original roots thinking caps, or are we allowed to think about the 70% of the earth's population that does not enjoy the progress of the last century towards equality?

I don't want to go all Dear Muslima on you but the concerns of a bunch of western middle class petulant children (feminists or MRAs) pale in comparison to worrying about your neighbors and countrymen selling off their not-yet-teenaged daughters to people traffickers.
 
There are so many International [Whatever] Days, it's like a Catholic saints calendar. I suppose it can be a good thing to have days to focus on a particular subject, and lots of lobby groups and marketing agencies profit from them, but with all the π, pie, bacon, redheads, Star Wars, [insert particular job or disease here], and-so-on-days, I'm finding it hard to care.
Maybe there should be an International International Day Day to raise awareness.
 
commandlinegamer said:
The push back in various locations against abortion.

Equal pay.

The limited- or non-availability of menstrual products in various locations which constrain access to education and employment.

To name but three.
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Push back?

So they are legal

Menstrual products constrain employment. Please.elaborate. I am genuinely interested.

That must be right up there with not being able to see your kids
 
cullennz said:
Push back?

So they are legal
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Okay, this conversation can end here if you're so ill-informed that you haven't read of the hundreds (literally) of measures passed in "red states" to limit the access to abortions and parental planning. Either you're playing at being obtuse, or your knowledge is limited to your own back yard.


Menstrual products constrain employment. Please.elaborate. I am genuinely interested.
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Yes. Well-known issue. Pads and tampons cost money. People with no money, e.g. living on welfare or assistance, cannot put their menstrual treatments on food stamps ('cuz they're not food) and cannot put them on their Medicaid because they're not covered.

That must be right up there with not being able to see your kids
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Probably not, because most of the women in that strata of society have their kids with them. Dear old dad disappeared years ago and his least concern is visiting rights, it's mostly avoiding arrest for refusing to pay child support.
 
I am in theory, in support of an international men's day. I think there are some health and social issues that need highlighting. My support does not mean that there are not other issues that should be highlighted or that men do not have an advantage over women in many areas.

However in the UK the first objective listed is "Have some serious fun". On the what to do page most activities are frivolous. It appears to be more of a reaction to what is perceived as aggressive feminism, than a genuine attempt to address serious issues.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Who is "we" and what is "this part of the world" You're addressing someone who spent years in Turkey. I'm in Thailand. Wolfman and Roborrama are in China. Do we have to put on our original roots thinking caps, or are we allowed to think about the 70% of the earth's population that does not enjoy the progress of the last century towards equality?

I don't want to go all Dear Muslima on you but the concerns of a bunch of western middle class petulant children (feminists or MRAs) pale in comparison to worrying about your neighbors and countrymen selling off their not-yet-teenaged daughters to people traffickers.
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It should be fairly self-evident that I was referring to what is euphemistically known as "the western world" (USA, UK etc).

I acknowledge that you live in a part of the world where the percentage of senior managers who are women is the least of your country's problems. I wish I had an answer for you.
 
Foolmewunz said:
No. That's an issue among certain feminists. Just as keeping women down is an issue among certain men.

As long as you're willing to concede that they are "issues" or "concerns", have your Men's Day. Because I think it's a silly misnomer and the "day" should be dedicated to the actual issues/concerns, I'll ignore it and/or continue to make fun of it. When you find actual issues that indicate "male" as a discriminated against minority, I'm all ears. (Important: Discriminated Against Minority.... not group (with issues) that happens to be in a statistical minority. Health problems are a fact. They have nothing (except in the fervid MRA imagination) to do with discrimination.)
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It's apparently an issue with people in this thread that think the actions of those feminists are okay. In america men are discriminated against in many settings (often in the judicial system) and face many other issues, like dying on the job 11 times as much as women. Women are the majority here too. So I guess that means men are a discriminated against minority. Playing with words and definitions isn't the point though. The problem is that we live in a world where it's "misogynistic" to have a day for celebrating men and/or raising awareness on men's issues.
 
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