Intelligent Evolution?

Show me an example of VTOL that wasn't designed by human intelligence.
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Show me an example of anything that wasn't designed by God.

Vacuous stupid arguments are fun!
 
It dunt have jets or nuffin tho - itz gots no metalz!

PB - what exactly is it about considering hypotheticals that you have a problem with? VTOL was made by HUMANS! **** no! Really?

Not the question - the question is: is it impossible for evolution to produce it - when applied in the correct domain? (I.e. you have to use this so-called intelligence you are arguing for and comprehend a suitable process for constructing a VTOL lacking a guiding hand - you know, a bit like how one has to comprehend a suitable process for constructing a bird lacking a god).

("Biology is not technology" redundant statement in 3, 2, 1...)
 
cyborg said:
It dunt have jets or nuffin tho - itz gots no metalz!

PB - what exactly is it about considering hypotheticals that you have a problem with? VTOL was made by HUMANS! **** no! Really?

Not the question - the question is: is it impossible for evolution to produce it - when applied in the correct domain? (I.e. you have to use this so-called intelligence you are arguing for and comprehend a suitable process for constructing a VTOL lacking a guiding hand - you know, a bit like how one has to comprehend a suitable process for constructing a bird lacking a god).

("Biology is not technology" redundant statement in 3, 2, 1...)
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Don't blame me. It's your analogy. :D
 
cyborg said:
I don't. God made you do it.



Failure.

:D :D :D

It's God's analogy. He Designed it.

Stupid vacuous arguments are fun!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

(President Bush denies he is controlled by God in 3, 2, 1...)
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What does a fictitious god have to do with any of this?
 
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Well... then I hope you're enjoying yourself.
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Nothing productive can be achieved here with you.

Stupid vacuous arguments are fun!

Humans made spoons! I ain't seeing no stinking evolution making spoons. Therefore spoons are proof of intelligence.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
President Bush said:
Show me an example of VTOL that wasn't designed by human intelligence. :)
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You mean how long would human 'randomness' take? How long are you prepared to wait - as long as it took biological evolution to perfect VTOL? You see, yet again, it all comes down to what you mean by 'intelligence'.
 
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Blind Watchmaker:

Sir William Paley fishes out his pocket watch and shows it to the irreverent youth, saying, "Suppose I found this in an open field, I'd conclude it was an atifact of intelligent intent and construction. So you should conclude that your complex body was the work of an intelligent designer."

The young man answers, "Too late you old ghost. We now understand how very complex organisms can evolve via Natural Selection without the intent, plans and purposes of intelligent designers.


Headless Watchmaker:

The shade of Paley replies, "Are you saying, young whippersnaper, that an artifact of such obvious design for function as is my watch culd be molded by nature? Can't you see the hand of itelligence in its creation? And there, your own body is so much more a testiment of intellient design.

The rambunctious youth answers, "You are too old, Father William.
Not only is my body the result of a blind, non-directed Natural Selection, but so is that artifact you keep waving at me. I see no "intelligence" in its creation. From the start no one ever planed for the existence of time pieces.
They are the result of information directed, not by prior intent or sentience, but by social interactions and market forces.
The trouble with your "Intelligent Design" is that there is no such intelligence as your asume, nor "Intelliegent" entities."

[ID proponents claim that it's possible to distinguish between something puposefully constructed and someting resulting from natural processes. Then, what appears to be the result of purpose is held up as evidence of intelligent intervention. The goal of the Headless Watchmaker anaology is to deconstruct intelligence, so that they can no longer play the ID card.
So far this deconstruction has been rather tame. Does anyone have a wrecking ball?]
 
cyborg said:
... spoons are proof of intelligence.
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Please allow me to paraphrase:


President Bush said:
Show me an example of spoon-bending that wasn't designed by human intelligence.
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Southwind said:
You mean how long would human 'randomness' take? How long are you prepared to wait - as long as it took biological evolution to perfect VTOL? You see, yet again, it all comes down to what you mean by 'intelligence'.
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Uri Geller would like the analogy.

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