Merged In Case you missed it Dylan Avery admits he was wrong (sort of)

[Quad4_72]

I'm glad to see Dylan Avery backing away from the CD theory. It's not easy to say you were wrong. While I never was as outrageous as Avery, when in my twenties and thirties I believed in conspiracy theories. In the early 90's, right before we went into the first Iraq War, I believed there was a conspiracy between US diplomats and Kuwait to damage vital Iraq interests. I was told by a guy from the Christic Institute in Washington there was a secret paper the Iraqis had PROVING this. "What is in those secret papers" he asked darkly. I wanted to know real bad, so I literally flew to Washington and went straight to the Iraqi Foreign Embassy. I thought, wow, I can really prove this conspiracy, maybe they would help me prove it and blow the lid off the American CIA etc etc etc.

I went past all the US security and spy forces that ringed every inch of the Iraqi building, right into their embassy, and asked the Iraqi diplomat why Iraq invaded Kuwait. He said Saddam was mad at Kuwait for lowering their oil prices and so he ordered the invasion. This was almost exactly what Bush I had told us!! Then I asked if the CIA was involved in any dirty work against Iraq, and he said not really, we were just mad at Kuwait.

Finally, the BIG QUESTION: do you know anything about that secret paper documenting a secret conversation between US and Kuwaiti diplomats conspiring against your country? Why yes, I have it right here, would you like to see it?

It was a transcript of a conversation all right, and it went something like this:
America: Hey, you know, it would be great for our economy if you would lower oil prices.
Kuwait: I think we can arrange that.

I was a total nobody from Denver and I set out to prove a conspiracy to be true. The Christic Institute had raised hundreds of thousands of dollars parading this conspiracy theory around the country to peace activists like me, but their national headquarters was literally six blocks from the Iraqi Foreign Embassy. They could have walked in and seen that paper as easily as I did, but instead they flew a guy around the country peddling a bogus conspiracy theory and raising money.

I believed them but I actually searched for verification and proof. This is deadly to conspiracy theories. They thrive in the shadows. When I found a way to shine light on it, it turned out to be nothing.

It's hard to describe what an inner collapse happened at that time. Part of my identity was wrapped up in these theories, and that way of thinking and seeing the world crashed in on me. I had not said horrible things in public like Dylan Avery has, so I didn't have to deal with apologies. But it is very hard to shift out of a belief system you have an emotional investment in. Read Michael Shermer's new book, The Believing Brain. The usual process: belief first, rationalization of belief second.

In the meantime, here are some links to my latest 9/11 article in Skpetic.com as well as two YouTube playlists of all my 9/11 rebuttal videos:

The two playlists for YouTube:
Section 1 Twin Towers (2 hours 9 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL92DAE5DE3C22CF4F&feature=viewall
Section 2 Building 7 (1 hour 35 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDD5BD81A636031A5&feature=viewall

Skeptic.com article: 9/7/11 http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/

I'll be responding to comments on my Blueprint for Truth Gage rebuttal thread.

Wait, you really flew across the country for a conspiracy theory? Or is this post some sort of joke/metaphor?

 

[Edx]

Nothing really new in this thread.

Dylan has shown a bit more caution in his speculation about those responsible
for 9/11.

That is a far cry from; "backing away from the CD theory".

MM

Then he is an idiot.

If he says the Bush government was not capable of orchestrating 911, but still believes in CD, then who does he imagine is behind it all then?

 

[chrismohr]

Wait, you really flew across the country for a conspiracy theory? Or is this post some sort of joke/metaphor?

I flew across the country as part of a Colorado Peace Mission lobbying effort against the war, and spent a couple days in Washington doing research before visiting congresspeople. Part of that included going to the Iraqi Embassy.

 

[1337m4n]

It's funny. Conspiracy theories as a whole can live forever, but the lifespan of an individual conspiracy theorist never seems to be longer than a decade. It's kind of like teenagerhood.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

If he says the Bush government was not capable of orchestrating 911, but still believes in CD, then who does he imagine is behind it all then?

The Clinton government? Maybe Socks was actually NWO Kitty?

 

[Quad4_72]

I flew across the country as part of a Colorado Peace Mission lobbying effort against the war, and spent a couple days in Washington doing research before visiting congresspeople. Part of that included going to the Iraqi Embassy.

That's crazy. The conspiracy part anyways.

 

[Horatius]

It's funny. Conspiracy theories as a whole can live forever, but the lifespan of an individual conspiracy theorist never seems to be longer than a decade. It's kind of like teenagerhood.

There's a thread in Community that probably explains how such ideas are perpetuated.

The Clinton government? Maybe Socks was actually NWO Kitty?

Are you saying NWO Kitty is a Sock Puppet?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Nothing really new in this thread.

Dylan has shown a bit more caution in his speculation about those responsible
for 9/11.

That is a far cry from; "backing away from the CD theory".

He's admitting the conspiracy theory he espoused half a decade ago is beyond the abilities of an organization that was at the head of the most powerful nation on the planet. He couldn't get much closer to "backing away from the CD theory" unless he were to explicitly state, "I don't believe in the CD conspiracy theory anymore."

 

[Skeletor]

The article the OP posted from Slate just released the 5th part today, dealing with the recent apostasy from the TM. Avery admits getting caught up with people he wishes he'd never associated with:

There's a certain thing called tact that you need when you're dealing with the public...And I think that is a certain approach that a lot of people lack.

Here are Avery's reactions to the apostasy of Charlie Veitch:

People went ape-**** over this Charlie Veitch, I couldn't believe it...I was like, 'Really?' I mean, I had never even heard of this guy until now.

Maybe he just changed his mind...I mean, people change their minds.

And here is his reaction to the behavior of the TM regarding Veitch:

That kind of mob mentality [is] the very thing that we were claiming to fight, the 'You're with us or with the terrorists' mentality.

And here's the money shot:

That's one of the reasons I had to back away from the movement in general ; I was afraid I was becoming one of them—someone who sees conspiracy around every corner.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Thanks for posting that, Skeletor (cool name!) - I've just been reading that, and you've summed it up better that I was probably going to. A belated welcome to the forum! What brought you here? Have you debated truthers elsewhere?

 

[Marokkaan]

I'm glad to see Dylan Avery backing away from the CD theory. It's not easy to say you were wrong. While I never was as outrageous as Avery, when in my twenties and thirties I believed in conspiracy theories. In the early 90's, right before we went into the first Iraq War, I believed there was a conspiracy between US diplomats and Kuwait to damage vital Iraq interests. I was told by a guy from the Christic Institute in Washington there was a secret paper the Iraqis had PROVING this. "What is in those secret papers" he asked darkly. I wanted to know real bad, so I literally flew to Washington and went straight to the Iraqi Foreign Embassy. I thought, wow, I can really prove this conspiracy, maybe they would help me prove it and blow the lid off the American CIA etc etc etc.

I went past all the US security and spy forces that ringed every inch of the Iraqi building, right into their embassy, and asked the Iraqi diplomat why Iraq invaded Kuwait. He said Saddam was mad at Kuwait for lowering their oil prices and so he ordered the invasion. This was almost exactly what Bush I had told us!! Then I asked if the CIA was involved in any dirty work against Iraq, and he said not really, we were just mad at Kuwait.

Finally, the BIG QUESTION: do you know anything about that secret paper documenting a secret conversation between US and Kuwaiti diplomats conspiring against your country? Why yes, I have it right here, would you like to see it?

It was a transcript of a conversation all right, and it went something like this:
America: Hey, you know, it would be great for our economy if you would lower oil prices.
Kuwait: I think we can arrange that.

I was a total nobody from Denver and I set out to prove a conspiracy to be true. The Christic Institute had raised hundreds of thousands of dollars parading this conspiracy theory around the country to peace activists like me, but their national headquarters was literally six blocks from the Iraqi Foreign Embassy. They could have walked in and seen that paper as easily as I did, but instead they flew a guy around the country peddling a bogus conspiracy theory and raising money.

I believed them but I actually searched for verification and proof. This is deadly to conspiracy theories. They thrive in the shadows. When I found a way to shine light on it, it turned out to be nothing.

It's hard to describe what an inner collapse happened at that time. Part of my identity was wrapped up in these theories, and that way of thinking and seeing the world crashed in on me. I had not said horrible things in public like Dylan Avery has, so I didn't have to deal with apologies. But it is very hard to shift out of a belief system you have an emotional investment in. Read Michael Shermer's new book, The Believing Brain. The usual process: belief first, rationalization of belief second.

In the meantime, here are some links to my latest 9/11 article in Skpetic.com as well as two YouTube playlists of all my 9/11 rebuttal videos:

The two playlists for YouTube:
Section 1 Twin Towers (2 hours 9 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL92DAE5DE3C22CF4F&feature=viewall
Section 2 Building 7 (1 hour 35 minutes total) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDD5BD81A636031A5&feature=viewall

Skeptic.com article: 9/7/11 http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/

I'll be responding to comments on my Blueprint for Truth Gage rebuttal thread.

LOL why are you lying??

He just says the same thing like people with common sense, i also say there are a lot of people, who are too crazy with conspiracies, they see in everything a conspiracy and loose the reality.

Its just the same thing with debunkers, they loose reality in seeing facts they only want to defend their own group.

You have a crazy truth group and a crazy debunkers group. Just like here, you have a lot of crazy debunkers, who do not have the expertise but continuous insult you.

Do not use dylan avery to promote your videoclips or your biased ignorant thoughts about 9/11 please.

Btw are you a christian???

 

[beachnut]

Nothing really new in this thread.

Dylan has shown a bit more caution in his speculation about those responsible
for 9/11.

That is a far cry from; "backing away from the CD theory".

MM

Dylan wrote LC as a fictional piece. There is no evidence to support anything in the LC series. If LC fooled you, explains a lot, kind of self-critiquing.

You are right, it is not new, Loose Change was fiction. Dylan had no clue the fantasy drivel he wrote would fool so many idiots and go viral, he seems to be as dumb as his fictional claims are. You are right, nothing new. Your falling for 911 truth lies, is not new.

... Do not use dylan avery to promote your videoclips or your biased ignorant thoughts about 9/11 please.

yes, 911 truth thinks science is biased ignorant thoughts; you don't do physics, or math, you post lies and delusions. You are a good 911 truth Follower, you post lies and do it without checking evidence, or supporting your insane claims with evidence. Not new for 911 truth to post unsupported claims, you have not broken the zero evidence posting, making 10 years of failure a reality. Good job

 

[Athyrio]

Nothing really new in this thread.

Dylan has shown a bit more caution in his speculation about those responsible
for 9/11.


That is a far cry from; "backing away from the CD theory".

MM

Then he is an idiot.

If he says the Bush government was not capable of orchestrating 911, but still believes in CD, then who does he imagine is behind it all then?

They never think ahead, do they?

 

[Horatius]

They never think ahead, do they?

An inability or unwillingness to consider the necessary consequences of their beliefs is pretty central to being a CTist.

 

[sadhatter]

In my mind Avery/Bermas/Rowe, all of that ilk, are and always will be Conspiracy Carpetbaggers constantly looking for the opportunity to **** with and exploit common fears.

Even a public apology for past statements would be as dry and hollow as an old bone.

They are past forgiveness.

Compus

To me it even goes a bit further than that. The apology, by virtue of his previous actions, seems to me to simply be a way to increase cred for his next project. " Oh, so that 9/11 truth stuff was a bit bogus, but you wouldn't believe what i found out now..."

Avery is all about the marketing, this is just more of the same.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Wait...are they really airing that piece of crap? Someone needs to write them immediately and inform them it's all fabrication and even the producer/writer/director admits it. Hell, the fact he said in one of his first interviews "Loose Change started as a work of fiction...." should have been enough for anyone that watches it to know it's full of dung.

IIRC its on Netflix streaming as well.............

 

[fitzgibbon]

IIRC its on Netflix streaming steaming as well.............

ftfy

 

[Triterope]

The apology, by virtue of his previous actions, seems to me to simply be a way to increase cred for his next project.

What next project?

The guy tried to leverage the notoriety of Loose Change into a mainstream film career for himself, and couldn't get a job as third assistant fluffer in a porno. There's little reason to believe he's going to get one now. As in my Milli Vanilli example, there comes a point when your "cred" just runs out, and the industry stops caring what you want to do next.

I see your point that Dylan Avery's history of public statements isn't one of sincerity. But I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt here. It's a little unfair to ascribe his motivations to a new project, when there is no evidence that a new project exists.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Are you saying NWO Kitty is a Sock Puppet?

All I'm sayin'

 

[chrismohr]

LOL why are you lying??

He just says the same thing like people with common sense, i also say there are a lot of people, who are too crazy with conspiracies, they see in everything a conspiracy and loose the reality.

Its just the same thing with debunkers, they loose reality in seeing facts they only want to defend their own group.

You have a crazy truth group and a crazy debunkers group. Just like here, you have a lot of crazy debunkers, who do not have the expertise but continuous insult you.

Do not use dylan avery to promote your videoclips or your biased ignorant thoughts about 9/11 please.

Btw are you a christian???

Not lying, just don't fully understand the extent to which Dylan Avery has pulled away from the 9/11 Truth movement. What is your take on it? You don't think he has backed off from CD? Has he just backed away from the paranoia? If so I retract my inaccurate statement.

What do you think of my experience of setting out to prove a conspiracy theory correct and instead proving it wrong?

A neo Nazi asked if I'm a Jew. Now you ask me if I'm a Christian. No comment.