Merged In Case you missed it Dylan Avery admits he was wrong (sort of)

[Sam.I.Am]

George Bush didn't get re-elected seven years later did he? HAH! PROOF!!!

of course he couldn't run in 2008 even if he wanted to and he was re-elected in 2004 but I'm using the truther standards of proof, not actual standards so I'm right and everyone else are sheeples so nanny nanny boo boo to you...

ETA: That was for Horatius.

 

[Walter Ego]

Uhh, yeah... he did. Not in those exact words, of course, but that's the meaning of "beyond the scope of the Bush administration".

Do have a different interpretation? Please enlighten us.

I think what Dylan meant was is that the Jews and/or Israel did it

(Refresh my recollection here. Isn't Miragememories the guy who believes that Mossad launched a rocket from the Woolworth building into one of the twin towers on 9/11?)

 

[Miragememories]

I think what Dylan meant was is that the Jews and/or Israel did it

(Refresh my recollection here. Isn't Miragememories the guy who believes that Mossad launched a rocket from the Woolworth building into one of the twin towers on 9/11?)

No he isn't. Trying checking before you post.

MM

 

[Miragememories]

"Comparing it to Pearl Harbor? Really? I thought conspiritards were under the impression that Pearl Harbor was to get the economic engine of America under a full head of steam. After 9/11 - where's this prosperity? Where's the economic boom? I personally got laid off - DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF 9/11. Me and thousands of others."

Truly pathetic.

I give you a big F for your knowledge of history.

Kudos to whomever decided on the layoff.

MM

 

[alienentity]

Let's just take what Dylan said literally, no interpretation. He said that ' orchestrating the attacks was beyond the scope of the Bush administration'
OK, now that of course includes both Rummy and Cheney, the two dark lords of the administration.

So that means that Dylan is contradicting every single 9/11 Truther who believes that Cheney ordered a stand down, or had ANY hand in 'orchestrating' the attacks.

Wow, that is a big statement against the majority of truthers. Most truthers hypothesize that explosives were planted in the WTC buildings, apparently by some government agency - they continually point to the CIA and FBI offices in WTC 7 as a motive.

Any such active plotting or orchestration, required by these truther memes, is contradicted by Dylan Avery. The young kid who brought truthers 'Loose Change', and converted many of them to the same memes.

Nice going, Dylan! You just threw them all under a bus, made your money, and walked away. And you wonder why we question the character of the 'leaders' of 9/11 Truth??????

Meanwhile, on Planet Truther, Dr. John Gross is vilified for denying that he's seen reports of 'huge pools of molten steel' at ground zero. He isn't even contradicting and refuting his beliefs like Avery, he's just saying he hasn't seen any evidence. 'I was on the site I was on the steel yards,I don't know that that's so'

That's a cardinal sin for 9/11 Truthers - never oppose the sacred meme of molten steel... 'Thou shalt not commit the blasphemy of denying molten steel, or the truther God will smite you'

My God truthers are idiots.

 

[Walter Ego]

Originally Posted by Walter Ego

I think what Dylan meant was is that the Jews and/or Israel did it.

(Refresh my recollection here. Isn't Miragememories the guy who believes that Mossad launched a rocket from the Woolworth building into one of the twin towers on 9/11?)

No he isn't. Trying checking before you post.

MM

Well, obviously you're not the Jewish Rocket from the Woolworth building guy because you're not on ignore. Please excuse my error. But, just for the record, do you believe the Jews and/or Israel had anything to do with 9/11?

 

[tsig]

Yes, and let's keep in mind what it is Dylan Avery is making progress towards:

Acknowledging that his entire adult life was a fraud.

You have to admit, Avery is pretty deeply vested in the conspiracy. It made him important, popular, and wealthy at a young age. For him to admit it's all wrong is to destroy the only thing he ever built in life, to turn his back on his friends (who are by all accounts still true believers in the conspiracy), and to undermine his dream project.

That's gotta be tough. Read any "former truther" threads here, like this one, and you can get a sense of how tough it is for people to admit they were wrong. And that's just for a rank-and-file Truther, not someone whose every good thing in life was based on it.

Loose Change is to 9-11 what Milli Vanilli was to pop music. Each was a fatally flawed production whose popularity got out of control. When the fraud was inevitably exposed, its creators couldn't get any legitimate work. After a couple attempts to set things right that nobody cared about (Rob & Fab, the various LC special editions), each silently dropped out of sight... except when they're dragged out for some mocking retrospective interview.

And that's got to be a special slice of hell. To be asked for your side of the story, when the world long ago made up its mind that you're wrong. After that Slate interview, I bet he went home and drank heavily. You would too. Think of your stupidest moment, and imagine you had to be interviewed by Slate about it every five years, with the resulting material finding its way into Google. "Hey, aren't you that guy?" "Yeah, I'm that guy." And some people can't deal with that. Like Rob Pilatus, who self-destructed after Milli Vanilli was exposed.

Yes, Dylan Avery said some of the most horrific things ever recorded about 9-11, perpetrated its most dishonest claims, and profited greatly from it all. But unlike the others in his crew, or any other major leaders of the Truth movement, he's showing signs of contrition, or at least re-evaluation of it all. So, as Kevin_Lowe said, let's encourage his progress.

I'm just sorry he wasn't in one of the planes and got to see it with his own eyes.

 

[Oz1976]

Truly pathetic.

I give you a big F for your knowledge of history.

Kudos to whomever decided on the layoff.

MM

This coming from someone who still can't comprehend the complete differences in the quotes in of their forum signature. YOUR version of history ISNT history, it's REVISIONIST history, which is why the majority of us are still here on this forum, so YOUR ilk has a counterpoint.

Take a hard look at the two quotes in your signature...a REAL HARD LOOK...and try to come to the realization of how utterly wrong you are...can you admit when you're wrong? I doubt it.

 

[Edx]

Why the constant request for speculation?

He never said it was "beyond the abilities of an organization that was at the head of the most powerful nation on the planet".

He said exactly that, just not in those exact words.

 

[Walter Ego]

This coming from someone who still can't comprehend the complete differences in the quotes in of their forum signature. YOUR version of history ISNT history, it's REVISIONIST history, which is why the majority of us are still here on this forum, so YOUR ilk has a counterpoint.

Take a hard look at the two quotes in your signature...a REAL HARD LOOK...and try to come to the realization of how utterly wrong you are...can you admit when you're wrong? I doubt it.

Here's some interesting prognosticating from MM from July 2007. Now, honestly, isn't this only more marginally insane that the Jews firing rockets from the Woolworth building?

I can't guess when, but sometime before the next presidential elections I expect a second 9/11 type incident.

Unfortunately, to be effective, the ante would have to be raised. The goal will be to empower the current regime with extraordinary powers. The only way Congress will concede to such a thing is if an incident of extreme magnitude takes place and the threat of further such incidents remains in the offing. As part of the granted powers, the presidential elections of 2008 would likely be canceled as an emergency measure.

I don't think toppling the Sears Tower will do the trick.

A nuclear event is the most likely scenario that would carry sufficient persuasive weight with the American public and Congress.

Should this occur, members of the 9/11 Truth Movement can only expect to survive if they move underground and it's doubtful that they would ever again be a serious force to be reckoned it, given the expectation of a declaration of martial law throughout the U.S.

The fact is, if 9/11 was an inside job, the perpetrators have committed themselves too far to let it all fail, unless they believe the next government will be somehow compelled to continue policies that the current one initiated (Iraq, Homeland security measures etc.).

It's quite possible that 9/11 Stage 2 is already in place and timed to be initiated if and when it's absolutely deemed necessary. The reason we haven't seen it so far is because it will be so horrific that they don't really want to "push the button" unless they feel it's absolutely necessary to maintain their initial goals.

I know looking at these words, it all seems so outlandish, like some cheap thriller vacation reading, but when you think back to 9/11 and events like WTC 7, if you really believe it was an inside job, after deliberately killing 3,000+ innocent people, how likely is it that those responsible would chicken out now?

MM

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12488

 

[CompusMentus]

How's the foot taste MM???

Sour grapes?



Compus

 

[Orphia Nay]

Okay children.

One last time and I'll leave you to play in your sandbox.

9/11 was a major world interest event. TRUE

Realizing how great was the public interest, Dylan Avery originally did research to make a fictional story based on the events of 9/11. TRUE

While doing his research Dylan discovered so many anomalies that undermined the Official Conspiracy Theory that he no longer believed it to be true. TRUE

At this point, Dylan Avery decided to abandon the fictional work and make a documentary based on the factual material he discovered during his research. TRUE

MM

Dylan Avery now thinks orchestrating the attacks was beyond the scope of the Bush administration. TRUE.

 

[CompusMentus]

Avery has now fully recanted on key aspects of his lie-riddled much revised "documentaries". TRUE

 

[NoahFence]

Truly pathetic.

I give you a big F for your knowledge of history.

Kudos to whomever decided on the layoff.

MM

OK Kiddo. If I'm wrong on the conspiritard version of Pearl Harbor, educate me. If not to get the economic engine running, what then is the stupid reason?

(Quick! Google something!)



PS - I notice you didn't respond to the Hitler comparison that I shot down. I suppose if it were '06 and Bush was still in office, you'd say "Yea, but you wait- it'll happen!)

 

[Undesired Walrus]

10 years on, Dylan Avery backs away...

http://www.slate.com/id/2302834/

What does Avery think of 9/11 conspiracy theories now? He thinks that while orchestrating the attacks was beyond the scope of the Bush administration, there was "considerable foreknowledge" within the government so that it should have been able to prevent them. Why it did not is his new focus. "Where I am now is, I've whittled it down to a very basic statement that I think a lot of people can agree on: There was a cover-up of some kind," Avery says. "The only question is what they were covering up, how far [up] it goes, how deep it runs, and how many asses would be on the line if the truth actually came out."

He says he still "support the movement," but he also acknowledges getting "sucked in" deeper than he should have been, into a "hardcore mentality that it was almost too easy to get into back then, because the war had just started and everybody was just so pissed off."

 

[bill smith]

http://www.slate.com/id/2302834/

Thank you Dylan Avery for waking up large sections of America and the World to the clear and present danger of rogue government. Your job is done and others will carry your work forward to it's conclusion.

 

[Oystein]

UW, merge with http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218526 ?

 

[Triterope]

Dylan Avery, your job is done and others will carry your work forward to it's conclusion.

That already happened.

 

[Dog Town]

Pay no attention to MM. He just can't accept his leader leaving him. Which is funny considering Do Over hasn't posted in years at LC forum. Last I checked over there MM is one of the few left. Hoping his master will return! Sad really.

 

[twinstead]

Thank you Dylan Avery for waking up large sections of America and the World to the clear and present danger of rogue government. Your job is done and others will carry your work forward to it's conclusion.

LOL A poignant farewell to the Great Leader. Don't fear, Dear Great Leader; your cult will live on...