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Imus be an idiot . . .

brodski said:
What government action has been taken here?
Imus was sacked purely because of free market economics. His continued presence in broadcasting became economically unfeasible- and he was sacked.
Nobody called for government censorship here- they decided to use their freedom of speech to criticise his speech, and they decided to use their freedom of economic action to influence the polices of other economic actors.
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Actually, Sharpton has. He seems to think censorship is a good idea, under the "public airwaves" rubric. I do believe in regulation of a limited resource for certain purposes, but not to control Imus' speech content.
 
brodski said:
You have shown no such thing. You try to analyse individual words to find “the racist word” whilst ignoring that the phrase as w hole has racial connotations which Imus, as a professional communicator- who has been in trouble for similar things in the past, was well aware off.
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All of that has been addressed here...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2513345&postcount=304

I've explained how the word itself wasn't racist. How it wasn't sexist. How the context wasn't racist. How it was mean and Imus slipped up and apologized for it. There's really nothing left to discuss that I haven't already explained.
 
hgc said:
Actually, Sharpton has. He seems to think censorship is a good idea, under the "public airwaves" rubric. I do believe in regulation of a limited resource for certain purposes, but not to control Imus' speech content.
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That was Sharptons entire argument. That since Imus was on air on FCC regulated airwaves then he should not be allowed to say anything offensive. This is pure nonsense.

Also, I suspect Sharpton and Jackson will try to get a black commentator put in Imus' time slot since Imus was fired from MSNBC. Affirmative action at it's best...:rolleyes:
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
All of that has been addressed here...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2513345&postcount=304

I've explained how the word itself wasn't racist. How it wasn't sexist. How the context wasn't racist. How it was mean and Imus slipped up and apologized for it. There's really nothing left to discuss that I haven't already explained.
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I never claimed that any of the three words was racist, I argued that the phrase was racist.
Please explain why “nappy headed hos” is not racist, whilst “hook noised Zionist” is.
Neither phrase uses any racist words. They do in my opinion both have racist meanings.
 
Imus is a d**k, but his business is being a d**k. Anyone familiar with Imus knows he isn't a racist. I agree the comment very stupid and very ill considered. Understand that part of Imus' tecnique is illustrate stupidity by being stupid himself. Imus has always made equivalent comments. I think he believes by making these sorts of comments in the context of a comedy he is taking the meaningfulness out of them until they are reduced to what they really are - only words which get their power only from the intention behind them. I would like to know where those people who Imus supported and put the heft of his influence behind. Where is Harold Ford? Where are the wounded veterens who Imus went out of his way to support - going after those in power and being the driving force behind bringing the wounded veteran issue to the forefront of the nation's conscience and consciousness. And you have scum like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson milking this for their own purposes and ambitions. sickening.
 
We're on page nine now. Let's see how many more pages Dustin will continue not explaining it.

I put the over/under at four.
 
BPSCG said:
We're on page nine now. Let's see how many more pages Dustin will continue not explaining it.

I put the over/under at four.
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Ok, I may as well learn something from this train wreck of a thread, and it’s clear that Dustin is in no position to educate anyone.

What does “over/ under” in this context actually mean. I gather its some kind of American system of gambling , but I’ve never quite worked out how it works.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
That was Sharptons entire argument. That since Imus was on air on FCC regulated airwaves then he should not be allowed to say anything offensive. This is pure nonsense.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Congratulations.

Also, I suspect Sharpton and Jackson will try to get a black commentator put in Imus' time slot since Imus was fired from MSNBC. Affirmative action at it's best...:rolleyes:
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You've already preconfigured how you'll complain if MSNBC puts a black person in that slot. I hope they put in Amiri Baraka, just to see you go through the roof.
 
brodski said:
I never claimed that any of the three words was racist, I argued that the phrase was racist.
Please explain why “nappy headed hos” is not racist, whilst “hook noised Zionist” is.
Neither phrase uses any racist words. They do in my opinion both have racist meanings.
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Because both "hook nose" AND "Zionist" almost always mean Jewish while neither "nappy headed" or "hos" means black. "Hooked nosed Zionist" clearly is implying Jewish because Jews are stereotyped as having hookednoses while "Zionist" is also a euphemism for Jewish. However "Ho" isn't a euphemism for "black" and "nappy haired" isn't racist.
 
brodski said:
Ok, I may as well learn something from this train wreck of a thread, and it’s clear that Dustin is in no position to educate anyone.
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I've explained the ins and outs of my position with VAST detail. I've answered all of your questions over and over. I've explained the facts over and over. If you call that a "Train wreck" then you really are inexperienced.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Because both "hook nose" AND "Zionist" almost always mean Jewish while neither "nappy headed" or "hos" means black. "Hooked nosed Zionist" clearly is implying Jewish because Jews are stereotyped as having hookednoses while "Zionist" is also a euphemism for Jewish. However "Ho" isn't a euphemism for "black" and "nappy haired" isn't racist.
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Hooknosed isn't inherently about Jews or inherently insulting either. People really do have hooknoses, just like people really do have nappy hair. Back to context.
 
hgc said:
Hooknosed isn't inherently about Jews or inherently insulting either. People really do have hooknoses, just like people really do have nappy hair. Back to context.
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Yes, But in "Hooked nosed Zionists" "Zionist" is also a euphemism for Jewish. "Ho" isn't a euphemism for "black".
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Because both "hook nose" AND "Zionist" almost always mean Jewish while neither "nappy headed" or "hos" means black. "Hooked nosed Zionist" clearly is implying Jewish because Jews are stereotyped as having hookednoses while "Zionist" is also a euphemism for Jewish. However "Ho" isn't a euphemism for "black" and "nappy haired" isn't racist.
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Nappy headed is a black stereotype just as hook nosed is a Jewish stereotype.
Ho’s is predominantly black slang, and indicates black a woman just much as Zionist indicates Jewish. Most of the CTists who rail against “Zionism” are quiet clear that there are many Zionists who are not Jewish- and if you want to take eth literal definition of “Zionism” then again, there are many many “Zionists” who are not Jewish. Your special pleading not withstanding.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Yes, But in "Hooked nosed Zionists" "Zionist" is also a euphemism for Jewish. "Ho" isn't a euphemism for "black".
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You just slapped on the rhetorical clown makeup. Look up "euphemism," then come back and repost.
 
brodski said:
Nappy headed is a black stereotype just as hook nosed is a Jewish stereotype.
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I've established already that "Nappy headed" meaning black is slang from the 1950's. In modern times(according to the definitions) It simply means shortly curled or kinky hair.


brodski said:
Ho’s is predominantly black slang, and indicates black a woman just much as Zionist indicates Jewish.
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Evidence? Nowhere in the definition of "Ho" does it specify race OR gender for that matter. Stop making things up.
 
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