I Won The Challenge And Randi Refused To Pay

[Mojo]

So - what we have is REJECTION because they claim that the Prophecy Translation is INTERPRETATION - hmmmm - How else can a Prophecy be Translated and Correlated to an Event in History?

1) If the prophecy is sufficiently specific, e.g. "a man called Hitler will come to power in Germany in the 20th century".

2) If the prophect can be correctly interpreted before the event it relates to, in other words if it can actually be used to predict events rather than just made to fit events after they occur.

 

[NiallM]

1) If the prophecy is sufficiently specific, e.g. "a man called Hitler will come to power in Germany in the 20th century".

2) If the prophect can be correctly interpreted before the event it relates to, in other words if it can actually be used to predict events rather than just made to fit events after they occur.

Of course, the problem with very specific predictions is that some of them may be self-fulfilling - or at least may be fulfilled to an extent by people who want to shore up the credibility of the document containing the predictions.

In the example of a Hitler, for instance, there may be an additional force at work, with him using the biblical prophecy to gain power. Sort of circular, don't ya think?

I thought that the JREF was being very flexible with their demands of Elijah. From what I can see, they were prepared to accept a postdiction so long as the interpretation couldn't possible be applied to any other event in history. This is quite a daring stance, but the logic is good. It takes away any wiggle room that is involved with interpretation, and replaces it implicitly with a demand for absolute specifics.

As a demand, it's far less stringent than demanding a prediction about a future event.

 

[Mendeli]

Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
...

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Is this a thread where we can quote books? Ok. I can do that!

Revelations in cooking!
1. To Soften Brown Sugar:
# Store a slice of bread in it overnight...
# Microwave on low for 30-90 seconds, or...
# Heat in a low (250) oven for 3-5 minutes.

2. Dust with Cocoa Powder:
When making chocolate-based cakes or breads, grease the pan and dust with cocoa powder, instead of flour, to prevent sticking.

3. Grate Butter into Flour:
Instead of using a pastry blender, mix flour with butter by grating cold butter into it.

4. Make Your Own Slice 'n' Bake Cookies:
When making cookie dough, roll half the dough into logs, or cylinders, wrap well and freeze. Then slice and bake as desired.

5. Bring Out the Ironing Board for Cookie-Cooling:
If you need extra counter space for cooling cookies on racks or baking sheets, set up the ironing board and let them rest on it (cover the board to prevent stains).

6. To Make Cookie Crumbs, Cracker Crumbs or to Crush Shelled Nuts:
Seal them in a zipper bag then crush with a rolling pin.

7. Three Methods to Remove the Fat from a Stock:
# Method 1: Chill until the fat solidifies, then scrape or lift it off.
# Method 2: Lay a paper towel on top of the surface. It absorbs grease. Repeat as necessary.
# Method 3: Insert a bulb baster under the layer of fat and squeeze; you're removing the juices/stock and leaving the fat behind.

8. To Protect Pie Crusts from Burning:
Cut out the center from a foil pie plate and invert it over the crust's edge. Or fold a piece of foil and cut out the center, then lay the foil over the crust's edge.

9. For an Easy "Bouquet Garni":
A bouquet garni is simply herbs and spices tied together or in cheesecloth for easy removal. Instead of cheesecloth, fill a tea ball for spices that need to be removed before serving, like peppercorns, bay leaves, etc.

10. To Make Citrus Curl Garnishes:
Peel a long strip of citrus peel with a zester. Tape one end to a straw then wrap in spirals. Freeze. Remove straw and tape before using.

11. Uses for Spray Bottles:
Buy several small spray bottles to use in the kitchen, for tasks like these:
# moistening pie dough
# coating oil on pans
# misting salad dressing on delicate greens
# spritzing filo dough with oil

12. Make Pita Chips:
Spray pita triangles with water, sprinkle with herbs and seasonings then bake at 350 degrees F until crisp (about 5 minutes).

13. To Measure Extracts or Small Amounts of Liquid:
Use a dropper with measurements on it, found in drugstores.

14. To Freeze Small Portions:
Use a muffin tin for stock or sauces; oversized ones hold 1 cup. To eject, twist the tins and tap on bottom if stuck. Seal tightly and freeze.

15. Keep "Fresh" Lemon Juice Handy:
For fresh-tasting lemon or lime juice year-round, freeze lemons and limes whole; thaw in microwave before squeezing.

16. Freeze Tomato Paste:
Freeze tomato paste in the can. Open both ends and punch out the paste. Wrap the frozen paste in foil and freeze, then slice off what you need as you need it.

17. Cook Corn Without Husking:
Cook corn with husks and silks on. The silks slide off with husks and both add more flavor.

18. Thaw Foods More Quickly:
Place frozen foods on a metal surface, like a metal tray or heavy frying pan. Metal conducts room temperature better than formica, wood, glass or tile.




19. Place the Cutting Board on a Low-Sided Pan:
To keep your work area dry and less messy, place the cutting board inside a baking sheet or jellyroll pan, so excess falls into the pan. Rubber bands or a damp cloth underneath helps prevent the board or pan from slipping. This works especially well when carving meats and roasts to save their juices.

Impressed, Elijah?

 

[CriticalThanking]

Is this a thread where we can quote books?

Let's ask the author and see if he will waive copyright just this one time.

CT

 

[TheBoyPaj]

The Object of the original Application is to Prove and Reveal that The Holy Bible is Real and True in EVERY WAY...

It was? You know, I never would have guessed that. Live and learn.

 

[Odin]

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hellfire?
HELLFIRE!


I have won this debate.

 

[Zep]

Hi, 1inC!

 

[fuelair]

Sambal O. is an Indonesian garlic/chile paste reputed (haven't obtained any yet - but pretty sure habanero is hotter) to be hot and tasty. Not a recipe(re:fried eggs) but they taste way better if you fry them in Mayo"s Country Sausage (or) good smoked bacon (or) good smoked ham fat OR butter (different, but good). They taste even better on corn tortillas with green chile sauce. I notice Elijah is in the neighborhood of the beast but in the next block - and wonder if he gets invited to the parties.

 

[Curnir]

Sambal O. is an Indonesian garlic/chile paste reputed (haven't obtained any yet - but pretty sure habanero is hotter) to be hot and tasty.

Habanero is much much much much much much much much much much much much much much .......... much much much hotter than Sambal O.

I grow chili as a hobby (dutch chili, piri piri and habanero) and I've made some nice habanero honey and various spiced vodka. (one drop into 2 pints of water and it'll still clear your sinuses)
I bring small bottles of the spiced vodka (usually mint/habanero and honey habanero mix) to parties, always fun to dare some macho fool to drink just a few drops...

yeah I know... I'm evil.

 

[Gravy]

Elijah! Your coloring was almost completely within the lines this time! Good boy!

(I'm still cracking up over "Elizabethan English of AD 1770.")

 

[Tirdun]

Glad you have all had fun...

You are amusing, that's for sure. This will be my last honest attempt, since your posts are now fully within trolling territory.

The Object of the original Application is to Prove and Reveal that The Holy Bible is Real and True in EVERY WAY...

And in that, you have failed.

Yes - the documentation was OFFICIALLY filed..The Terms of the Challenge were OFFICIALLY accepted.

Not according to the emails you posted. Here, I'll help:

Reject : transitive verb
a : to refuse to accept, consider, submit to, take for some purpose, or use
b : to refuse to hear, receive, or admit : REBUFF, REPEL

Recipes and cream posts and bizarre comedy are ALL irrelevant to this thread and to this Theme.

You're new here, so I'll help. Posts of recipies and pictures of fuzzy animals are an indication that the thread has lost relevance. In other words there was nothing in your post worth replying to, so the thread had moved on to equally important issues.

The concept of the Challenge was to PROVE The Supernatural.
Prophetic Holy Scripture SATISFIES this criteria.

Your first statement is true, your second is conjecture and was rejected (see definition above) by the JREF because it was vague and subjective to your personal point of view and questionable interpretation. The same could be said for all of Nostradamus' prophesies and the prophesies of just about every other religion. Ever. You've still not gotten past step 1 of the challenge, which states that you must reach an agreed upon demonstration. Note the dichotomy between "agreed upon" and "rejection". To reject is to not agree upon. To not agree upon fails the first rule. To fail the rule results in no money. They did not agree, you neither took nor passed any test, therefore you will not get any money.

Ask yourselves -Who nurtured and raised the first human baby...the first monkey baby...the first baby zebra...the first baby giraffe....and so on?"

I'm not sure what your truly juvinile dismissal of evolution has to do with the challenge, so I'm going to skip on a bit.

Okay back to this Challenge
Here is the Rejection email from Kramer : (NO i do NOT make things up to deliberately deceive)

I'm going to clip the letter and point out your sentence.

-> Here is the rejection email

Mmmm. Rejection email. Rejecting your application. Are we following this? Is there a theme? A motif, even?

So - what we have is REJECTION because they claim that the Prophecy Translation is INTERPRETATION - hmmmm - How else can a Prophecy be Translated and Correlated to an Event in History?

Not JREF's problem. Their money, their rules, their choice. I suggest its because you and every other reader subjectively interprets the scriptures to mean something different. Thus it can't be objectively tested, which is a requirement of the challenge.

"In ordert to be considered for the prize, you must clearly and succinctly offer ONE prophesied event that can not in any way be connected to any other historical event."

The Challenge Application contains a large number of Biblical Prophecies that can EASILY be correlated to events in history.

Correlation is not "clearly and succinctly connecting". Its drawing a relationship.

I interpreted Daniel to refer to Genghis Khan in all of 5 minutes. See the problem? Khan took more territory, built a longer lasting empire, he may have even killed more people (given a longer reign and his dynasty). Every line can be applied to Khan, so where's my million?

In A Court of Law, RANDI LOSES...

Ah, idle threats. Perhaps you've consulted with a lawyer on this? No?

Because the PRIMARY TERM of the Agreed Challenge Application - The Fundamental, IS to Prove ONE Biblical Prophecy seen in One Historical Event.

Your application was not accepted. You didn't agree to their terms and JREF never signed anything. There was no agreement, there was no preliminary challenge.

My Khan interpretation was better than your Hitler one. Not only does it fit the scriptures, but Hitler never invaded any of the Holy Lands while the Khans did. In fact, Suleiman the Magnificent would also fit Daniel's prophesy, as he conquered the entire middle east, rebuild Jerusalem and was quite the leader in combat. His empire was vast, powerful and largely peaceful. He was a noted lawmaker and was considered fair and just.

SO, what have we learned today?
1- Rejection is not the same as acceptance
2- You have won nothing because there was no agreement
3- You have won nothing because there was no demonstration
4- Interpretation is not the same as defining a clear relationship
5- Finding historical people who fit prophesy is easy, fun, but not very profitable.
6- If you see recepies in a thread you start, you've lost your target audience.
7- Abuse of the font and color tags does not convert pointless speculation and opinion into fact.

 

[slickcat]

I simply quoted Manowar and Slayer (5x).

GzuzKryzt,

I'm sorry, my comment referred to the OP, not what you posted. BTW, Slayer is one of my faves. The opening licks to Seasons in the Abyss send chills up and down my spine every time.

 

[petre]

SO, what have we learned today?
1- Rejection is not the same as acceptance
2- You have won nothing because there was no agreement
3- You have won nothing because there was no demonstration
4- Interpretation is not the same as defining a clear relationship
5- Finding historical people who fit prophesy is easy, fun, but not very profitable.
6- If you see recepies in a thread you start, you've lost your target audience.
7- Abuse of the font and color tags does not convert pointless speculation and opinion into fact.

A skillful deconstruction. Unfortunately, a person that believes in text interpretation will simply choose to have any set of written words mean whatever they want them to mean. Therefore, he will interpret all posts as support for his position even though his own posts clearly disprove it.

Perhaps, in time, he will read a newspaper article about a chemical spill and take it to mean that Randi already paid him the money, that he spent it on booze and loose women, and died a happy man from a cocaine overdose. Then he can lie quietly in repose (with family to care for him I suppose) and bother us no more.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

GzuzKryzt,

I'm sorry, my comment referred to the OP, not what you posted. BTW, Slayer is one of my faves. The opening licks to Seasons in the Abyss send chills up and down my spine every time.

Boy, howdy.

Slayer's music has helped me beaucoup in dealing with the religious nuttery I was raised.
The album "Reign In Blood" still does it for me. When I feel particularly miffed about something, I take the headphones, pick up some oak drumsticks and play along. Front to back. 1 - 10. The full monty.
This serves as a nice workout. I still don't have all the fills down, and some of Mr. Lombardo's ride work is simply crazy fast, but I break a nice sweat and always delightedly smile when I hear the rain...

"Jesus Saves."

 

[Tirdun]

A skillful deconstruction. Unfortunately, a person that believes in text interpretation will simply choose to have any set of written words mean whatever they want them to mean. Therefore, he will interpret all posts as support for his position even though his own posts clearly disprove it.

I thought I'd take a shot at it. Debating is fun even if the other side is talking to the voices in their head.

Perhaps, in time, he will read a newspaper article about a chemical spill and take it to mean that Randi already paid him the money, that he spent it on booze and loose women, and died a happy man from a cocaine overdose. Then he can lie quietly in repose (with family to care for him I suppose) and bother us no more.

 

[Kimpatsu]

Why didn't he just say "Looketh out for a man named hitler!" That is a ton of words for such a simple statement. Hitler was in no sense a king anyways.

In fact, wasn't it called the Weimar Republic?

 

[Kimpatsu]

The rest of us can stand back and watch the <human solid waste product> flow.

No, the <excrement of male bovine>.

 

[Lamuella]

GzuzKryzt,

I'm sorry, my comment referred to the OP, not what you posted. BTW, Slayer is one of my faves. The opening licks to Seasons in the Abyss send chills up and down my spine every time.

so will you be celebrating the National Day of Slayer on 06/06/06?

 

[milesalpha]

Glad you have all had fun...

I know I have. So far you have proven.

A. You don't seem to understand the English language.
B. You don't seem to understand how a civil court works.
C. You have little knowledge of Nazi Germany (my MA field) and have posted absolutely nothing that could be clearly identified as uniquely appropriate to Hitler. (two other dictators, same period, same "fierce countenance", one with somewhat less power, the other with more, but Mussolini and Stalin need not apply?)
D. You yourself realize that your argument is so weak that you have to colour it in, ala an elementary school child.
E. You feel comfortable lying, rather highlighting the problem with the interpretive nature of your claim.

Now on to the only thing that does make sense in the thread...

Anyone have a good recipe for Coqulle St. Jacques?

 

[Miss Whiplash]

A couple of years back, i was accepted for the Challenge and duly complied according to the terms, namely, to REVEAL one Prophecy from The Holy Bible.

Trolling Snipped

And Lord thusly spake to Pat Roberson, "A big wave is coming!!!"

Run....