I Won The Challenge And Randi Refused To Pay
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My biblical prophecy
LOCATION: Ecclesiastes 7:26
SCRIPTURE: I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.
PREDICTION: This is referring to me and my fantasies about Jessica Simpson/Paris Hilton/Christina A/Sarah M Gellar/Kirsten Dunst.
m skipping the reasons for this interpretation to formerly state - The scripture is referring to my meeting with these lovely ladies in the future and it means those women will ensnare me into their grasp and we will get married.
LOCATION: Ecclesiastes 7:26
SCRIPTURE: I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.
PREDICTION: This is referring to me and my fantasies about Jessica Simpson/Paris Hilton/Christina A/Sarah M Gellar/Kirsten Dunst.
m skipping the reasons for this interpretation to formerly state - The scripture is referring to my meeting with these lovely ladies in the future and it means those women will ensnare me into their grasp and we will get married.
Aguileria or however you spell it.
Yeah Ms Hilton. Wait and see. It will happen.
God told me.
Edit: See where my cut and paste of the url goes hahahaha! try : http://images.s*xiest100.org/christinaaguilera,17.jpg for the link I intended.
Aguilera? Applegate would have made my day.
De gustibus non est disputandum. (By the way, is Bubba holding a dildo?)
But I saw the episode of Penn & Teller's Show recently, where Mr. Jillette says/screams the line you quoted in your sig. Hysterical.
yes applegate is a very appealing lady.
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That episode I agree with in a few principles. Rest assured my days of that lifestyle are far gone, but seriously...dope? that weener is off his knocker... Is alcohol any safer?
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That episode I agree with in a few principles. Rest assured my days of that lifestyle are far gone, but seriously...dope? that weener is off his knocker... Is alcohol any safer?
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Glad you have all had fun...
The Object of the original Application is to Prove and Reveal that The Holy Bible is Real and True in EVERY WAY...
One of these many ways is by the Study of Prophecy.
Yes - the documentation was OFFICIALLY filed..The Terms of the Challenge were OFFICIALLY accepted.
It IS TRUE, that the love of money is the root of all evil - i HATE money, however i hate electric shocks also, we still need electricity and we still need money. The KEY is NOT to love the stuff - Amen
Recipes and cream posts and bizarre comedy are ALL irrelevant to this thread and to this Theme.
The concept of the Challenge was to PROVE The Supernatural.
Prophetic Holy Scripture SATISFIES this criteria.
The Bible is one vast Prophetic Document.
God is REAL and His Name will NEVER be Allah or Buddha or any Hindu or Islamic god. He Visited this earth a few times in the past.
He created the Original CREATURES - ALL of them.
Ask yourselves - "Who nurtured and raised the first human baby...the first monkey baby...the first baby zebra...the first baby giraffe....and so on?"
Infants are HELPLESS without adult supervision - BYE BYE DARWIN...
So, now we are in the first three Chapters of The Holy Book of GENESIS - Amen
Yes - EVERY WORD IS TRUE !!!
Your choice whether to Believe or ridicule...also your peril if you DO choose to ridicule - God will NOT be Mocked....Check the Warnings....
Fortunately, your SIN can be Erased from The Heavenly Record by Faith and Belief in The Lord JESUS CHRIST, and through His Holy Blood shed on The Cross 1973 years ago - IF you REJECT Satan's LIES and present yourselves to be Baptized - WITH Repentance - Amen
Truth is truth - there is INDEED The Heaven - Amen
==============================================
Okay back to this Challenge :-
Here is the Rejection email from Kramer : (NO i do NOT make things up to deliberately deceive)
----- Original Message -----
From: M. KRAMER
To: Elijah
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: ELIJAH...JREF - FIRST TWO LEVELS OF THE APPLICATION CONTAINED HEREIN
Dear Sir,
We have read through your interpretations of scripture (very slowly and
carefully, as you insisted) and find it to be nothing more than
interpretation. Interpretation is entirely subjective.
We are constantly busy with the investigation of paranormal claims.
Your interpretation of the Bible is entirely subjective, and we find NO
DIRECT LINK between the scripture you have submitted and any event you
claim is connected to it. You need stronger proof to be accepted as an
applicant for the prize you wish to win.
As such, your claim is REJECTED.
Yours,
KRAMER, JREF
====================================
Original Message -----
From: M. KRAMER
To: Elijah
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: ELIJAH ...JREF
Dear Elijah,
Thank you for your reply.
YES we have your notarized application on file here.
Your "claim" is clearly of an interpretive nature. Such claims are NOT
acceptable in qualifying you for claimant status, as clearly stated in the
JREF prize rules. Please read them very carefully before you proceed.
In ordert to be considered for the prize, you must clearly and succinctly
offer ONE prophesied event that can not in any way be connected to any
other historical event. Interpretation of text is NOT acceptable. There
can be NO interpretation. Anyone can interpret passages from the Bible to
fit modern events. Indeed, people have been doing this for 2,000 years.
Perhaps you do not truly comprehend the nature of the JREF ONE MILLION
DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE. Please refer to the prize rules in our
website for specifics on the prize criteria.
Feel free to get back to me if you wish, but I assure that your present
"evidence" will NOT qualify you for claimant status.
=============================================
So - what we have is REJECTION because they claim that the Prophecy Translation is INTERPRETATION - hmmmm - How else can a Prophecy be Translated and Correlated to an Event in History?
Here is the the MAIN AGREED Term of this Challenge Application :-
"In ordert to be considered for the prize, you must clearly and succinctly
offer ONE prophesied event that can not in any way be connected to any
other historical event."
The Challenge Application contains a large number of Biblical Prophecies that can EASILY be correlated to events in history.
Can such a correlation be done WITHOUT Interpretation?
In A Court of Law, RANDI LOSES...
How?
Because the PRIMARY TERM of the Agreed Challenge Application - The Fundamental, IS to Prove ONE Biblical Prophecy seen in One Historical Event.
Now, how to do this?
Clearly One Definition of INTERPRETATION is Essential.
So, the definition of INTERPRETATION is the Pivot on which legal action wins or loses.
Wild, off the wall Interpretations, clearly FAIL.
However, One CLOSE look at The Nahum Prophecy, and very little "REQUIRED AND NEEDED Interpretation" is required.
In fact, without, a modicum of Interpretation, Linking a Biblical Prophecy with an Historical Event is TRULY IMPOSSIBLE.
The BAN on Interpretation CAN be voided in a Court of Law.
How? Because the Agreement to Pay the Challenge Prize RESTS on the Proving of ONE Historical Event with ONE Biblical Prophecy.
Therefore, THE BALANCE OF PROBABLITY, comes into play. Since The Submitted Challenge Document contains a MULTITUDE of Supernatural Prophecies, and DEFINITIVELY Links them with Famous Historical Items, as AGREED, to then NEGATE them ALL by saying they are ALL Interpretation, is nothing less than REFUSAL TO PAY THE PRIZE. Remember "SOME" Modicum of Interpretation is a Fundamental prerequisite of the FOUNDATION of the Agreed Challenge Criteria.
Therefore, when the time is Right - we will let The Judge decide.
His decision will turn on ONE THING ONLY, "Can the Agreed Challenge Criteria be legally fulfilled WITHOUT any Interpretation whatsoever?"
We have some time to file The Writ....
In the meantime....this Post is just a tiny Taste of The Supernatural.
NOT the Satanic supernatural of non-Christian charlatans and Egyptian magicians....Nay people....RATHER, The Holy Supernatural Power of The Living God, Who Created ALL THINGS, and Sent His Son to Be Crucufied for our SINS, even JESUS CHRIST, Who Resurrected to PROVE His Case.
He has done this BEYOND Reproach !!!!!!!
The Question for ALL people is simple.... Who are you going Believe, God The Creator of The Universe or SINFUL, argumentative, disbelieving people?
Whilst you ponder whether God exists or not, and then you try and decide WHAT IS HIS NAME....Take a look around you and Decide...Is all that you see with your eyes and can remember seeing in your memory...is ALL THIS an ACCIDENT?
All this matter and diversity of life, stars, sun moon, water, mountains, trees, flowers, and suchlike - ALL THIS IS REALITY - and ALL THIS appeared ALL ON ITS OWN, without ANY Designer or Creator???????
If you think so - THINK AGAIN....
Amen
May God Bless you ALL in The Living Truth of The Lord JESUS CHRIST and His Holy Father, The Creator of us ALL - Amen
Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
i DO have Great Faith that The Spirit of The Living God is FREELY available to each and every person reading this Post.
i DO Believe that Christ is THE LIGHT that allows each and every one of you to live, to have even be born in the first place.
If you WANT to write and act like swine, then that is your lookout...
It is NOT me you will trample on and rend, it ULTIMATELY will be your Creator and possible Saviour (if you REPENT and be Baptized) and ONE DAY you will have to give account of your life here on earth - ALL IS RECORDED IN HEAVEN - EVERYTHING...
So WITHOUT Christ FORGIVING YOU, by Repenting in Belief in Him, your SIn will Remain to Judgment Day.
Those STAINED by Unrepented, Unforgiven SIN, By Christ ONLY, CANNOT enter Heaven and will have torment in earth also.
Consider these matters carefully, as The Holy Spirit is WATCHING EVERYONE - He Knows EVERY THOUGHT of your hearts....
Behave yourselves and BECOME Holy through Christ and YOU SHALL BE SAVED, When you are BAPTIZED as a Confessing, Believing person.
Nice to Share Holy Truth with you...
Bye for now....
Love and Truth....
Elijah
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The Object of the original Application is to Prove and Reveal that The Holy Bible is Real and True in EVERY WAY...
One of these many ways is by the Study of Prophecy.
Yes - the documentation was OFFICIALLY filed..The Terms of the Challenge were OFFICIALLY accepted.
It IS TRUE, that the love of money is the root of all evil - i HATE money, however i hate electric shocks also, we still need electricity and we still need money. The KEY is NOT to love the stuff - Amen
Recipes and cream posts and bizarre comedy are ALL irrelevant to this thread and to this Theme.
The concept of the Challenge was to PROVE The Supernatural.
Prophetic Holy Scripture SATISFIES this criteria.
The Bible is one vast Prophetic Document.
God is REAL and His Name will NEVER be Allah or Buddha or any Hindu or Islamic god. He Visited this earth a few times in the past.
He created the Original CREATURES - ALL of them.
Ask yourselves - "Who nurtured and raised the first human baby...the first monkey baby...the first baby zebra...the first baby giraffe....and so on?"
Infants are HELPLESS without adult supervision - BYE BYE DARWIN...
So, now we are in the first three Chapters of The Holy Book of GENESIS - Amen
Yes - EVERY WORD IS TRUE !!!
Your choice whether to Believe or ridicule...also your peril if you DO choose to ridicule - God will NOT be Mocked....Check the Warnings....
Fortunately, your SIN can be Erased from The Heavenly Record by Faith and Belief in The Lord JESUS CHRIST, and through His Holy Blood shed on The Cross 1973 years ago - IF you REJECT Satan's LIES and present yourselves to be Baptized - WITH Repentance - Amen
Truth is truth - there is INDEED The Heaven - Amen
==============================================
Okay back to this Challenge :-
Here is the Rejection email from Kramer : (NO i do NOT make things up to deliberately deceive)
----- Original Message -----
From: M. KRAMER
To: Elijah
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: ELIJAH...JREF - FIRST TWO LEVELS OF THE APPLICATION CONTAINED HEREIN
Dear Sir,
We have read through your interpretations of scripture (very slowly and
carefully, as you insisted) and find it to be nothing more than
interpretation. Interpretation is entirely subjective.
We are constantly busy with the investigation of paranormal claims.
Your interpretation of the Bible is entirely subjective, and we find NO
DIRECT LINK between the scripture you have submitted and any event you
claim is connected to it. You need stronger proof to be accepted as an
applicant for the prize you wish to win.
As such, your claim is REJECTED.
Yours,
KRAMER, JREF
====================================
Original Message -----
From: M. KRAMER
To: Elijah
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: ELIJAH ...JREF
Dear Elijah,
Thank you for your reply.
YES we have your notarized application on file here.
Your "claim" is clearly of an interpretive nature. Such claims are NOT
acceptable in qualifying you for claimant status, as clearly stated in the
JREF prize rules. Please read them very carefully before you proceed.
In ordert to be considered for the prize, you must clearly and succinctly
offer ONE prophesied event that can not in any way be connected to any
other historical event. Interpretation of text is NOT acceptable. There
can be NO interpretation. Anyone can interpret passages from the Bible to
fit modern events. Indeed, people have been doing this for 2,000 years.
Perhaps you do not truly comprehend the nature of the JREF ONE MILLION
DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE. Please refer to the prize rules in our
website for specifics on the prize criteria.
Feel free to get back to me if you wish, but I assure that your present
"evidence" will NOT qualify you for claimant status.
=============================================
So - what we have is REJECTION because they claim that the Prophecy Translation is INTERPRETATION - hmmmm - How else can a Prophecy be Translated and Correlated to an Event in History?
Here is the the MAIN AGREED Term of this Challenge Application :-
"In ordert to be considered for the prize, you must clearly and succinctly
offer ONE prophesied event that can not in any way be connected to any
other historical event."
The Challenge Application contains a large number of Biblical Prophecies that can EASILY be correlated to events in history.
Can such a correlation be done WITHOUT Interpretation?
In A Court of Law, RANDI LOSES...
How?
Because the PRIMARY TERM of the Agreed Challenge Application - The Fundamental, IS to Prove ONE Biblical Prophecy seen in One Historical Event.
Now, how to do this?
Clearly One Definition of INTERPRETATION is Essential.
So, the definition of INTERPRETATION is the Pivot on which legal action wins or loses.
Wild, off the wall Interpretations, clearly FAIL.
However, One CLOSE look at The Nahum Prophecy, and very little "REQUIRED AND NEEDED Interpretation" is required.
In fact, without, a modicum of Interpretation, Linking a Biblical Prophecy with an Historical Event is TRULY IMPOSSIBLE.
The BAN on Interpretation CAN be voided in a Court of Law.
How? Because the Agreement to Pay the Challenge Prize RESTS on the Proving of ONE Historical Event with ONE Biblical Prophecy.
Therefore, THE BALANCE OF PROBABLITY, comes into play. Since The Submitted Challenge Document contains a MULTITUDE of Supernatural Prophecies, and DEFINITIVELY Links them with Famous Historical Items, as AGREED, to then NEGATE them ALL by saying they are ALL Interpretation, is nothing less than REFUSAL TO PAY THE PRIZE. Remember "SOME" Modicum of Interpretation is a Fundamental prerequisite of the FOUNDATION of the Agreed Challenge Criteria.
Therefore, when the time is Right - we will let The Judge decide.
His decision will turn on ONE THING ONLY, "Can the Agreed Challenge Criteria be legally fulfilled WITHOUT any Interpretation whatsoever?"
We have some time to file The Writ....
In the meantime....this Post is just a tiny Taste of The Supernatural.
NOT the Satanic supernatural of non-Christian charlatans and Egyptian magicians....Nay people....RATHER, The Holy Supernatural Power of The Living God, Who Created ALL THINGS, and Sent His Son to Be Crucufied for our SINS, even JESUS CHRIST, Who Resurrected to PROVE His Case.
He has done this BEYOND Reproach !!!!!!!
The Question for ALL people is simple.... Who are you going Believe, God The Creator of The Universe or SINFUL, argumentative, disbelieving people?
Whilst you ponder whether God exists or not, and then you try and decide WHAT IS HIS NAME....Take a look around you and Decide...Is all that you see with your eyes and can remember seeing in your memory...is ALL THIS an ACCIDENT?
All this matter and diversity of life, stars, sun moon, water, mountains, trees, flowers, and suchlike - ALL THIS IS REALITY - and ALL THIS appeared ALL ON ITS OWN, without ANY Designer or Creator???????
If you think so - THINK AGAIN....
Amen
May God Bless you ALL in The Living Truth of The Lord JESUS CHRIST and His Holy Father, The Creator of us ALL - Amen
Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
i DO have Great Faith that The Spirit of The Living God is FREELY available to each and every person reading this Post.
i DO Believe that Christ is THE LIGHT that allows each and every one of you to live, to have even be born in the first place.
If you WANT to write and act like swine, then that is your lookout...
It is NOT me you will trample on and rend, it ULTIMATELY will be your Creator and possible Saviour (if you REPENT and be Baptized) and ONE DAY you will have to give account of your life here on earth - ALL IS RECORDED IN HEAVEN - EVERYTHING...
So WITHOUT Christ FORGIVING YOU, by Repenting in Belief in Him, your SIn will Remain to Judgment Day.
Those STAINED by Unrepented, Unforgiven SIN, By Christ ONLY, CANNOT enter Heaven and will have torment in earth also.
Consider these matters carefully, as The Holy Spirit is WATCHING EVERYONE - He Knows EVERY THOUGHT of your hearts....
Behave yourselves and BECOME Holy through Christ and YOU SHALL BE SAVED, When you are BAPTIZED as a Confessing, Believing person.
Nice to Share Holy Truth with you...
Bye for now....
Love and Truth....
Elijah
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Sue him. Now.
Also, your thread title does in no way represent a reality I know of and have experienced.
Elijah777, you may have good intentions. Your heart may be pure, your mind may feature utmost lucidity.
Convince us by making a prediction of a future event. Use whatever scripture you deem helpful.
Please give us, in advance to the event prophesied:
1. A specific date & time.
2. A specific location.
3. A specific event.
You will not only undoubtedly convince millions of people of your wisdom, you will also save lots of human lives by helping identify a catastrophic, disastrous, horrible event BEFORE its occurence.
Thank you, Elijah777.
Convince us by making a prediction of a future event. Use whatever scripture you deem helpful.
Please give us, in advance to the event prophesied:
1. A specific date & time.
2. A specific location.
3. A specific event.
You will not only undoubtedly convince millions of people of your wisdom, you will also save lots of human lives by helping identify a catastrophic, disastrous, horrible event BEFORE its occurence.
Thank you, Elijah777.
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"Your scripture and your sermons/
Are leaves borne on the wind/
To heal the Unrepentant/
One needs a greater sin."
"Screams,
From a life I live
Torment,
Is what I give
Torture,
Is what I love
The down fall,
Of the heavens above."
"Evil
My words defy
Evil
Has no disguise
Evil
Will take your soul
Evil
My wrath unfolds."
"Chanting lines of blind witchery
To save yourself from extinction
Wanting to die is your reason to live
New life born from the oppressed
Taste your blood as it trickles through the air
Another casualty beyond the shadows you fall
Losing ground, the fate you feel it draws near
Fatality, reality, you await the final call."
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