I Won The Challenge And Randi Refused To Pay

[strathmeyer]

Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

I'm confused. It's hard to tell with all you've written? Why don't you start over, this time by explaining in one sentance what you're trying to say. Is it what Kramer has said above? If so, why don't you just tell people what the clear and unrefutable connection is? That would be the first step, so that people can tell both what you claim to be able to do, and that you can do it. Good luck!

 

[Nick Bogaerts]

Elijah777 musthave in his possession a document signed by Randi and himself in which they agreed to the terms.

I predict Elijah777 will never show us a scan of that document. If I looked hard enough, I could probably find this prediction in my copy of the Penguin Complete Lewis Carroll.

 

[LTC8K6]

Read it again, Elijah.

Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

Yours,
M. KRAMER
JREF ONE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE DEPT.
[email protected]

EDIT: Ahhh....so the Kramer line is made up then?

 

[Mojo]

My terms were accepted OFFICIALLY

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Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

Yours,
M. KRAMER
JREF ONE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE DEPT.
[email protected]

You have not made such a connection. The Bible does not mention the rise of Hitler in clear and unrefutable terms that could not be otherwise interpreted. The Bible does not mention the explosion of the reactor at Chernobyl in clear and unrefutable terms that could not be otherwise interpreted. The Bible does not mention modern traffic in clear and unrefutable terms that could not be otherwise interpreted.

What part of "your claim will be rejected" do you not understand?

 

[antihippy]

This may be a daft question, but why not contact the Jref office and ask them if they have a record of such a claim (obviously it won't be listed under "successful").

I've read this guys post and he's either a troll or someon have a laugh. Possibly both.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

...
24. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
...

I could attribute this "prophecy" to the coming of Mr. Ron Jeremy.

"And his power shall be mighty,"

- his member = 10" (erect)

but not by his own power:

- fluffer, oral stimulation

and he shall destroy wonderfully,

- "Sex is death, death is sex."

and shall prosper,

- through payment for his flics.

and practise,

- well: D'uh!

and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people."

- Sex is death, death is sex...with the big names in the Adult Film Industry.



Does this prove, beyond any single doubt, that "the prophecies were true"?

 

[Tirdun]

No, no, no! I don't want to battle trolls today!

Elijah777, prove them wrong, support your wild claims with wilder claims! Regale us with your keen interpretations! Dig deep into your KJV and Middle School Western History text. Pick a color besides Red even. Explore the blue or green corner of the color wheel. Get some FONT shifts and underlines in there for effect. You can do it.

 

[NiallM]

Dear Dr. Ward,

The JREF does not accept claims involving text interpretation. Even if there were in fact a manner in which I could make that clearer to you, I fear it would have no improved effect.

Written on the 4th Jan 2006. Note this for later...

Indeed, it is our game, and there are rules. You are not the first applicant to childishly complain when the JREF declines to alter them. Nor are you the first disgruntled applicant to slander Randi after the fact. Of that you can be sure.

Interpreting this, Kramer is talking about a game. What game, eh? Could he be anticipating more spare time in his future?

If the timbre of your initial claim letter (and subsequent fax) were not pocked with such zealous hatred and Bible-fueled belligerence toward Randi, we may have considered offering you some ideas on what kind of claim we might consider (perhaps involving your alleged ability to directly connect a clear and concise section of text to some forthcoming event, in which the text was not "interpreted" to only appear to match the actual event).

Here Kramer - although he doesn't know it - is predicting a great wave in the Pacific and canisters of sulphur falling from the sky. And some other stuff. Running numbers through teh text indicates that Arsenal will play Barcelona in the European Champions League. The Lord works in mysterious ways!

However, your foul attitude is quite familiar to us, as is your obvious disdain for those who do not share your belief in what a book of ancient text reveals, as interpreted by you personally, coincidentally matching your agenda precisely. Or is it a coincidence at all? One wonders.

"Foul", eh? As in the ancent Aramaic word meaning "The magician will become very ill, but will recover. Meanwhile I will leave JREF and the Challenge will be on hiatus for some time".

You have no evidence except that which you yourself have invented to support your religious convictions. That is the psychological basis of text intepretation. We have no interest in such self-delusions. Our interest lies solely in the examination of actual phenomenon, and not in the examination of the minds of the devoted. That is the work of others.

You will receive no further communication from us. Your file has been closed.

-Kramer, JREF Paranormal Claims Dept.

And within this closing is a coded message that says that an alleged Dr Ward will pretend to be in another country, but will slander Randi nonetheless.

The Lord most certainly moves in mysterious ways.

Recipes, anyone?

 

[Tirdun]

Recipes, anyone?

I've found that if you use Coconut Cream instead of Coconut Milk in curry recepies... its really not that bad. I'll stick with the Milk, but it was an interesting (if somewhat sweet) take on Curried Chicken.

 

[ChristineR]

I'm bummed. I was going to find Increase Mather's classic sermon "The Day of Trouble is near" and share with you all what those prophecies meant in 1674. As Increase was quite a guy, I'm sure his interpretation didn't have to rely on coloured fonts to impress.

If my memory is accurate, this verse:

10. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from
heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11. And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters. because they were made bitter."

refers to Islam (according to Increase), which is as good a interpretation as I know of. When I was a kid everyone said it meant a nuclear bomb would be dropped somewhere.

Since Increase Mather and everyone I knew as I kid are credible authorities, we have established beyond doubt that this Bible verse does not have a single unequivocal interpretation.

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

Why do you even care about the challenge?

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

 

[prewitt81]

*Has a flashback to drmabus*

My thoughts exactly. This has to be the same guy, right?

 

[Mojo]

i LIE NOT !!!

And I suppose you haven't hit Caps Lock by mistake either?

 

[The_Fire]

My thoughts exactly. This has to be the same guy, right?

Smells and tastes an awfull lot like the same dude.....

 

[Psiload]

i LIE NOT !!!

This must be the biblical kookspeak version of...

It's true!

 

[Tirdun]

BTW - Wormwood MEANS Chernobyl in Ukrainian ... do the research...

I did and it doesn't.

Chernobyl = chornyi byllia = black stalks.
Oh, the stalks being referred to (mugwort plants) are members of the family of plants (Artemisia) that includes wormwood (Artemisia absinthium or Polyn), but tomatoes are nightshades, so there's some family resemblance for you. If the plant and town had been named Polyn, you'd be in better waters.

Further, stars do not use the same nuclear process as nuclear plants. Stars undergo fusion, nuclear plants use fission. Its ok, they almost rhyme and are related. Chernobyl was a thermal reactor, meaning it consumed Uranium and produced about 5MW of power through fission. A star like our sun consumes hydrogen and produces 383 ×10^21 MW through fusion. Calling Chernobyl a "Great Star" is like calling a grain of sand a "great planet".

 

[Curnir]

I've found that if you use Coconut Cream instead of Coconut Milk in curry recepies... its really not that bad. I'll stick with the Milk, but it was an interesting (if somewhat sweet) take on Curried Chicken.

well there's more fat in the cream...

500 g Pork (as fat and sinewless as possible, rump works nice)
2 red bell peppers
1 yellow bell pepper
1 green bell pepper
1-2 tblspn. Honey
1-4 teaspn Sambal Oelek (depending on your heat preference)
1 can (3 dl) Coconut Milk
1-2 dl Milk (if needed)
1-4 tblspn Chinese soysause (amount varies)
Oil.

Slice the Pork into 1 cm wide 3-4 cm long slices chop peppers into bits about as big as the pork slices. fry the pork in some oil until "golden brownish", move the pork into a casserol pot. Fry the peppers in the same pan as the pork, the peppers should still be crunchy. Put peppers in the casserol pot.
Add the coconut milk, sambal oelek and honeay and let the pot stew for a while, if the coconut milk doesn't cover the meat and peppers add milk to top it up.
Add soy sause while tasting to get the right balance.
Let it stew some more.

Serve with Rice.

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Does anyone has a recipe for fried eggs?

 

[Timothy]

Yawn.

The concept behind the Challenge and the procedures necessary are beyond the functioning mental capacity of many people.

Here's yet another one.

You'll never change this poor delusional's mind, why bother?

Yawn.

- Timothy

 

[ChristineR]

Curnir, what is Sambel Oelek? Does it have other names? It seems that it may just be "chili paste," but I'm not sure...