Hyper Dimensional Design

[Dutch]

Blue,

I don't think such a test exists, I think the only way to proceed is the way I'm doing it.

 

[Paulhoff]

Blue,

I don't think such a test exists, I think the only way to proceed is the way I'm doing it.

This does not belong in the Science etc thread area, you have just said so.

Paul

 

[kevinquinnyo]

Dutch,

It seems like you've put a lot of work into this. I have to admit I don't understand exactly what you are talking about and I certainly didn't understand the math. Either I'm not smart enough, or it didn't make sense.

I'm not trying to be coy, either, I mean that.

But here's the thing. It seems to me that the basis of your whole idea, is:

1) There are some apparent coincidences of events.

2) They require an explanation.


Don't you think that the major events you have listed to be completely arbitrary?

What makes 9/11 or an assassination attempt or Saddam's hanging or any other world event more special or less arbitrary than my dog pissing on the carpet in my apartment on July 8, 1998, or me looking at internet porn on November 2, 2003? Why makes something like 9/11 more significant than that?


I guess my point is that it seems like you've put a lot of work into trying to force correlation between things that do not require it, because they are only "special" events to us. They are not inherently or mathematically special.



Perhaps you have an entirely different point that I just didn't understand.

But, you know, think about it.

-Kevin

 

[Blue Mountain]

Dutch,

It seems like you've put a lot of work into this. I have to admit I don't understand exactly what you are talking about and I certainly didn't understand the math. Either I'm not smart enough, or it didn't make sense.

Hi Kevin, welcome to the forum, and welcome to this thread.

Dutch more or less understands what he's talking about, although he does not understand logical fallacies and critical thinking.

As for math, he has yet to present any. He probably understands high school geometry, but I highly doubt he understands any mathematics beyond two dimensions, let alone four.

I guess my point is that it seems like you've put a lot of work into trying to force correlation between things that do not require it, because they are only "special" events to us. They are not inherently or mathematically special.

That pretty much summarizes our conversation over the last 1,300 posts ...

 

[Blue Mountain]

Venus is at the same orbital position with respect to what?

the assassination of Pim Fortuyn.

Do I have to rewrite every single post or not? The post should be clear

Actually, it was clear only in the context that Mercury is in approximately the same spot in its orbit around the sun as it was when Pim was killed.

However, I have a bit of an interest in astronomy. Out in space, the position of any given object is always relative to the position of other objects. So when I asked about "the position of Mercury relative to what?", I was wondering what you were using as a guide against which to measure the position of Mercury's orbit.

It turns out that guide is the background stars, since you commented that Mercury is in the same position as it was when Pin was killed. That is, Venus has made 11 complete orbits of the sun in that time.

So what's my issue with this? Well, it's rather nice coincidence that two events occurred in the same time that it took for Mercury to complete those 11 orbits. However, the Earth itself is in a different position with respect to the background stars in May (when Pim was killed) than it is in February. That means if you measure the angle between Earth and Venus (with the Sun as the origin) on these two dates, they're different.

So now you're going to say that the angle has nothing to do with it; that the position of Venus is a reflection of the underlying design as expressed on the four-dimensional hypercube. But I could say the same thing without invoking the hypercube. After all, it's a simple observation that these two events occurred at a time when Venus is in the same position with respect to the background stars.

We have a word in English that describes this observation. Astrology.

 

[Dutch]

What makes 9/11 or an assassination attempt or Saddam's hanging or any other world event more special or less arbitrary than my dog pissing on the carpet in my apartment on July 8, 1998, or me looking at internet porn on November 2, 2003? Why makes something like 9/11 more significant than that?

I don't think your dog is playing an important role at macrolevel.

9/11 and the Madridbombings correlated with 2 of the four Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron 'interference areas' on Earths orbit when I first determined them.

 

[Dutch]

I guess my point is that it seems like you've put a lot of work into trying to force correlation between things that do not require it, because they are only "special" events to us. They are not inherently or mathematically special.

No, they pop up just like that. A few years ago I have put a lot of work into trying to understand how it works. These correlations pop up instantly, after an intuitive thought or synchronicity. These underlying timecoded patterns are intelligent in a sense that you can calculate it

 

[Dutch]

Dutch more or less understands what he's talking about, although he does not understand logical fallacies and critical thinking.

That's where I'm coming from. Your logic is limited to your rigid 3D perspective of reality. I have always been a critical thinker. It took a long time I understood that I had to rely on intuitive thoughts and synchronicities first. Once I was ready to accept it these 'coincidences'and synchronicities popped up instantly while working with this material

As for math, he has yet to present any. He probably understands high school geometry, but I highly doubt he understands any mathematics beyond two dimensions, let alone four.

The math is so simple. Orbittal posoitions in Earth years, the HD Platonic solid based are determined and given. The Golden Mean....nothing more.

Remember I only talk about the indications that there are intelligent timecoded patterns linked to our reality.

I don't care less how our reality or a multi dimensional reality should be described mathematically. That's irrelevant for the process of identifying timecoded patterns and themes

 

[Dutch]

Blue,

it has nothing to do with the background stars.

I have said that the 'actual ' position is irrelevant. the only thing that counts is the orbittal positions onf the planets in Earth days, regardles the actual 3D position in the solarsystem or how it looks like as seen from earth. I think astrology works very differently but I don't know much about astrology. its something completely diffrent

 

[Paulhoff]

Blue,

it has nothing to do with the background stars.

I have said that the 'actual ' position is irrelevant. the only thing that counts is the orbittal positions onf the planets in Earth days, regardles the actual 3D position in the solarsystem or how it looks like as seen from earth. I think astrology works very differently but I don't know much about astrology. its something completely diffrent

I'm glad as hell that your not a Navigator.

Paul

 

[Blue Mountain]

That's where I'm coming from. Your logic is limited to your rigid 3D perspective of reality. I have always been a critical thinker. It took a long time I understood that I had to rely on intuitive thoughts and synchronicities first. Once I was ready to accept it these 'coincidences'and synchronicities popped up instantly while working with this material

Bolding mine. One has nothing to do with the other. Your comments throughout this thread show a profound lack of critical thinking.

Remember I only talk about the indications that there are intelligent timecoded patterns linked to our reality.

I don't care less how our reality or a multi dimensional reality should be described mathematically. That's irrelevant for the process of identifying timecoded patterns and themes

Then HDD is nothing more than tarot cards, astrological charts, tea leaves or crystal balls: it's just a fortune-teller's prop. The real work is in the cold reading or, in your case, the post-hoc linking of disparate news reports.

 

[Blue Mountain]

I have said that the 'actual ' position is irrelevant. the only thing that counts is the orbittal positions of the planets in Earth days, regardles the actual 3D position in the solarsystem or how it looks like as seen from earth.

If their actual positions are irrelevant, then the planets themselves are irrelevant. They're just props. All you're doing is using the numbers provided by their orbital periods as input into your convoluted computations.

I think astrology works very differently but I don't know much about astrology. its something completely diffrent

In a way you're right. At least in astrology the planets have relevance. But in the end both astrology and HDD ignore what we know about the planets: they have no influence over events on Earth.

 

[Paul]

9/11 and the Madridbombings correlated with 2 of the four Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron 'interference areas' on Earths orbit when I first determined them.

Once again I'll request some explanations:


Why do you insist on using the names of platonic solids to refer to concepts that you cannot possibly describe?


Why are you claiming specific 'interference areas' when you also say "these HD Solids are connected to every single moment in our reality"?


What else happened, at the same time as your special events, that you chose to arbitrarily ignore?


Why do you refer to orbital positions and then claim the position on the orbit is irrelevant?


Why are the orbital periods of other bodies relevant to events on earth?


How, exactly, did you determine your 'interference areas'?


How can you claim the "math is so simple" when you also claim to be dealing with the relationships of higher dimensional objects with 4 dimensional orbital mechanics?

 

[Paul]

I don't care less how our reality or a multi dimensional reality should be described mathematically. That's irrelevant for the process of identifying timecoded patterns and themes

Even for you, that is a particularly silly statement.

 

[Dutch]

Bolding mine. One has nothing to do with the other. Your comments throughout this thread show a profound lack of critical thinking.

Well this thread is about intuitive thoughts and synchronicities in the first place. The critical mind must accept that first.

Then HDD is nothing more than tarot cards, astrological charts, tea leaves or crystal balls: it's just a fortune-teller's prop. The real work is in the cold reading or, in your case, the post-hoc linking of disparate news reports.

You still don't seem to understand that this HDDesign could shine a light on future developments

 

[Paul]

You still don't seem to understand that this HDDesign could shine a light on future developments

How so, you are always keen to remind us that you cannot predict anything.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Well this thread is about intuitive thoughts and synchronicities in the first place. The critical mind must accept that first.

Many advances in science have come from an intuitive insight. And, in fact, some major advances have come from non-intuitive insights. I'm thinking of things like Copernicus' insight that the earth moves about the sun, Newton's invention of calculus, Maxwell's equations linking and describing electricity and magnetism, Pasteur's innovation that led to controlling bacteria in milk, Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection, and Einstein's breakthoughs that led to the theory of relativity.

But in all these cases, those insights were followed through with meticulous research coupled with careful documentation (which your "research" lacks), plus the attendant mathematics that proved the insight (which you don't even attempt to provide.)

You still don't seem to understand that this HDDesign could shine a light on future developments

Tarot cards, astrological charts, tea leaves, crystal balls, and reading the entrails of slaughtered goats have all been used in the past to shine a light on future developments. Do you care to speculate on why we don't use them these days?

 

[Paulhoff]

There is nothing in Hyper Dimensional Design that is unfalsifiable or unverifiable, it is not science, it is just like faith, nothing more.

Dutch quoting numbers is no more then someone quoting the bible as proof.

Paul

 

[Dutch]

But in all these cases, those insights were followed through with meticulous research coupled with careful documentation (which your "research" lacks), plus the attendant mathematics that proved the insight (which you don't even attempt to provide.)

but all limited to our rigid 3D perspective of reality. We are dealing with other dimensions here, you can't prove it ot test it within the set limits of 3D reality. All these great scientists were not able to fully describe the reality we live in, in a sense that there are no additional dimensions. We are still waiting for a Grand Theory.

 

[Dutch]

Tarot cards, astrological charts, tea leaves, crystal balls, and reading the entrails of slaughtered goats have all been used in the past to shine a light on future developments. Do you care to speculate on why we don't use them these days?

no, do you?

I don't think tea leaves will enable to identify expressions of specific underlying themes at specific moments in our reality.