Hyper Dimensional Design

[Dutch]

The point we're trying to make here is with enough data, you can find all sorts of interesting things. But it doesn't mean those things are significant. Post hoc ergo propter hoc and all that.

The point is , that this is about a pi expression between the 2 targetted missions of a space craft in space. What other data?

You still think it is pretty normal to find this pi expression here?

and you are complaining how long it took to explain a Phi spiral?

 

[Dutch]

As a researcher you have an obligation to show us your original work. Which you do, in spades, on your forum. It currently has 7,330 posts in 329 topics spread across 17 forums. That's a lot of stuff to wade through. But because there's so much there, it would be much nicer to provide us with links instead of simply saying "go to my forum." Posting a link back to the appropriate post when referencing it here will be useful for all of us.

Do you think that I know what's all in there? I have to review it myself aswel.
This whole Pi issue that was put on the timeline for May 29, 2008 for instance, I had forgotten about that. as I do about most things that are posted in the material. It popped up by synchronicity again when I found out bout this Epoxi-moon- Earth Transit during that timeframe. A quick look on the timeline of Q2 2008 had set this Pi 'discovery' in motion. The idea of a Pi expression came to mind and was poroven valid instantly.

Even I don't have the time to reread everything but I don't have to. I just go on with my 'research'

 

[Dutch]

Also, I recommend you make your 2009 timelines sticky; it will make them easier to find.

they will, I'm a bit behind because I haven't been online much during November and December.I have a job to do too

 

[Paul]

I don't think they did it for me, but they have done it initially. period.



and they come with Pi in the first place. Doesn't change a thing in relation to the hiden Intelligence behind it. This Pi expression is out there for everyone who understands its significgance

OK, I'll make it simple:

Some people have a thing, they want that thing to go from one place to another place and so they do some very complicated maths to find out when it will get there. The first number they come up with is the best they can do at the time, but later they have better information and do the maths again. The new, better, date is different from the first one but more accurate so they start to use that one.
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You see, Dutch, November 4 2010 is the date NASA currently expect the comet encounter, it is also the date they would have used initially is the data had been available in it's current form. You say the date of the encounter is important, but when shown your error you claim it is some secret message about pi. If it is the first then your pi idea is nonsense, and if it is the second then all your Epoxi flyby ideas are nonsense. Which is it?

 

[Paul]

proved wrong? never happened



are you saying Pi is not expressed with the given data?

Ignoring the facts doesn't help your case, it makes you appear inflexibly dogmatic.

Finding expressions of pi in data which is later found to be incorrect is not clever, and insisting on it's significance when it is shown to be inaccurate is worse.

 

[Paul]

nope, you just don't want to recognize the given events as subtle expressions related to the security issue of Obama. That doesn't mean it is wrong.

Only in your book, nobody has ever proved this HDdesign as invalid.

No security issue is not a subtle expression of a security issue, it is the lack of a security issue. Insisting that incidents which the Secret Service do not recognise as security issues are important, but so subtle as to be invisible to everyone else, is more like the work of a conspiracy crackpot than the serious researcher you claim to be.

 

[Dutch]

OK, I'll make it simple:

Some people have a thing, they want that thing to go from one place to another place and so they do some very complicated maths to find out when it will get there. The first number they come up with is the best they can do at the time, but later they have better information and do the maths again. The new, better, date is different from the first one but more accurate so they start to use that one.
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You see, Dutch, November 4 2010 is the date NASA currently expect the comet encounter, it is also the date they would have used initially is the data had been available in it's current form. You say the date of the encounter is important, but when shown your error you claim it is some secret message about pi. If it is the first then your pi idea is nonsense, and if it is the second then all your Epoxi flyby ideas are nonsense. Which is it?

Paul......that is exactly why you should be amazed. NASA is coming up with this initial date expressing Pi, not me

The chance this being just a random coincidence is almost 0

It still stands, who is talking to who here?

 

[Dutch]

Ignoring the facts doesn't help your case, it makes you appear inflexibly dogmatic.

Finding expressions of pi in data which is later found to be incorrect is not clever, and insisting on it's significance when it is shown to be inaccurate is worse.

Which facts? I have only seen opinions

Not clever....worse?

and what about the initial Pi expression?

right, just ignore it because you can't cope with the implications

I think that's worse than not clever indeed

 

[Paul]

Paul......that is exactly why you should be amazed. NASA is coming up with this initial date expressing Pi, not me

The chance this being just a random coincidence is almost 0

It still stands, who is talking to who here?

Let's see what you said:

"As we have seen in previous posts and on the timeline, this May 29, 2008 timeframe of the Transit had a big emphasis on Pi, unveiling the correlations between Pi, ascension timframe, orbital positions, Deep Impact and the end of the Mayan Calendar"

"Wouldn't you think that if a Pi connection is there, it would be an unmistaken indication of hidden underlying Intelligent Design?"

"1925 / Pi / Pi is the difference between the timeframes from the Epoxi/moon/Earth Transit and the 2 Deep Ipact spacecraft events!!

This is so beautiful and fundamental."
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So, when the accurate data shows no pi, it means that, according to you, there is no correlation, no unmistakable indication of intelligent design (perhaps a little slip in terminology there?) and no fundamental relationships between the Epoxi events.

Desperately trying to justify your mistake as important after the fact shows that you do not do anything approaching real research.

 

[Dutch]

So Nasa seems to choose the Transits as 'communication' marker.
We have just seen the Pi connection expressed by the Deep Impact/ Epoxi spacecraft -Moon-Earth Transit and the 2 comet encounters with Temple I and Hartlet, on May 29, 2008,
You can call this an 'artificial' transit with Deep Impact taking these awsome Transit images.
Deep Impact and Transits.......
expressing Pi on May 29, 2008.....
Deep Impact was launched on January 12, 2005
That was during another Transit......
and also here we have a camera out there in space to watch....
Transit of Mercury from Mars
A transit of Mercury across the Sun as seen from Mars takes place when the planet Mercury passes directly between the Sun and Mars, obscuring a small part of the Sun's disc for an observer on Mars. During a transit, Mercury can be seen from Mars as a small black disc moving across the face of the Sun.
taking pictures or 'communicating'?
The Mars Rovers Spirit and Opportunity could have observed the transit on January 12, 2005 (from 14:45 UTC to 23:05 UTC); however the only camera available for this had insufficient resolution. Ephemeris data generated by JPL Horizons indicates that Opportunity would be able to observe the transit from the start until local sunset at about 19:23 UTC, while Spirit would be able to observe it from local sunrise at about 19:38 UTC until the end of the transit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Mercury_from_Mars
Well you might think...... 2 of these Transits.....its all just a coincidence.....who cares?......let's sleep a night and forget about it, tomorrow a next day.......
January 13, 2005
What's the news today?
are you kidding, another Transit?
Transit of Earth from Saturn
A transit of Earth across the Sun as seen from Saturn takes place when the planet Earth passes directly between the Sun and Saturn, obscuring a small part of the Sun's disc for an observer on Saturn. During a transit, Earth can be seen from Saturn as a small black disc moving across the face of the sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Earth_from_Saturn
Well, I hear you thinking...... that's far away and it happens maybe 4 times in a century or so, and ofcourse we are not present this time.
No?
Yes!
Naturally, no one has ever seen a transit of Earth from Saturn, nor is this likely to happen in any foreseeable future. The last one took place on January 13-14, 2005 -- though the Cassini probe was present in the Saturn system, it was also the day of the Huygens probe mission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Earth_from_Saturn
Huygens separated from the Cassini orbiter on December 25, 2004, and landed on Titan on January 14, 2005 near the Xanadu region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens_probe
It touched down on land during the Transit
unfortunately also here no pictures........again....( what a fool believes....)
Furthermore, the angular resolution needed to capture the occultation was near the limits of Cassini's imaging subsystem, to say nothing of the concerns of pointing the probe's camera directly at the Sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Earth_from_Saturn
Oh, and its all just a coincidence ofcourse...........
Who is talking to Who?

 

[Paul]

So Nasa seems to choose the Transits as 'communication' marker... snip ...Oh, and its all just a coincidence ofcourse...........
Who is talking to Who?

Is all that supposed to mean something?

 

[Dutch]

Is all that supposed to mean something?

what do you think?

 

[Dutch]

While you are thinking:

also think about: why would NASA change the communicated encounter date with comet Hartley from this Pi expression to a date with Earth on the same orbital position as during the biggest solar flare ever recorded?

http://www.nasca.org.uk/Strange_Maps/solar/Solar_Flare/solar_flare.html

I already said in 2004 that it wouldn't be a wise idea to target comet temple I like we did.

 

[Paul]

what do you think?

I think you think there is great significance in anything which can be manipulated to fit with your preconceptions, but that you refuse to reassess anything where unfavourable evidence might lead to an outcome which could be considered negatively in relation to the ideas you are so heavily invested in. Thank you for asking.

 

[Paul]

why would NASA change the communicated encounter date with comet Hartley from this Pi expression to a date with Earth on the same orbital position as during the biggest solar flare ever recorded?

What does 'on the same orbital position' mean?

NASA changed the date because the data suggested it should be changed, that is how science works.

http://www.nasca.org.uk/Strange_Maps/solar/Solar_Flare/solar_flare.html

Great source there, truly a one-stop-shop for all your pseudoscientific needs.

I already said in 2004 that it wouldn't be a wise idea to target comet temple I like we did.

And then you went all misty eyed at the prospect of involving more mathematical nonsense and forgot all about that until now.

 

[Dutch]

NASA is still mentioning October 11, 2010 as the date of the Deep Impact/Epoxi encounter with comet Hartley, expressing Pi as described above.
http://discovery.nasa.gov/epoxi.html
However, NASA is also mentioning November 4, 2010 as the date of the encounter with comet Hartley:
Epoxi Spacecraft Soars Past Home
12.29.08 -- The NASA/JPL Epoxi spacecraft flew within 43,000 kilometers (26,700 miles) of Earth today. The Epoxi mission is scheduled to fly past comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4, 2010.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/epoxi/index.html
So first comet Boethin magically disappeared, than Epoxi's new target was scheduled to meet on October 11, 2008 as initially communicated and as still mentioned on NASA websites, expressing Pi in the heavens.
and now it appears that the encounter will be on November 4, 2010.
Synchronicities that occured today made me ask these questions.
Why would NASA be inconsistent about this mission, why would NASA talk about an encounter expressing Pi in the heavens that apparently will not take place and why is this date November 4, 2010 mentioned now, with Earth, as I found out by synchronicity, at the same orbital position as during the biggest solar flare ever recorded on November 4, 2003?
http://www.nasca.org.uk/Strange_Maps...lar_flare.html
I already said in 2004 that it wouldn't be a wise idea to target comet temple I with an actual Impact like we have done on July 4, 2005.
Who is talking to who here?
I think NASA knows by now that it was indeed not a good idea to impact comet Temple I back on July 4, 2005.
NASA is occultly saying that this ´mistake´ is understood.
I don´t think there will be an actual encounter with comet Hartley on October 11 2010, November 4 2010 or any other date
We will see

 

[Paul]

NASA is still mentioning October 11, 2010 as the date of the Deep Impact/Epoxi encounter with comet Hartley, expressing Pi as described above.
http://discovery.nasa.gov/epoxi.html
However, NASA is also mentioning November 4, 2010 as the date of the encounter with comet Hartley:

Just because the date is still on the site it doesn't mean anything special:

11/05/2007
As a result, I recommended to NASA that we switch to our backup target, comet 103P/Hartley 2, which has a very well defined orbit but which requires two extra years for the mission and thus additional funding from NASA. The encounter for the backup plan is on 11 October 2010.


12/31/2007
observations of extrasolar planets for EPOCh and an encounter with comet Hartley 2 for DIXI. The encounter went just as expected. Analysis of tracking data over the next week or two will allow us to determine how accurately we are on track and whether a "cleanup" maneuver is needed just before we begin the EPOCh observations.


06/19/2008
The EPOXI flight team fired their spacecraft's engine today to refine its trajectory. This trajectory sets the stage for an encounter with comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4, 2010.


Those are Mission Status Reports which demonstrate that NASA believed a correction may be necessary back in 2007 and that when the engine was fired the adjustment was duly made.

 

[Paul]

So first comet Boethin magically disappeared

"In the first half of October, Karen Meech organized an heroic effort to recover comet Boethin in time to plan the spacecraft's flyby of Earth, which would put it on target to go to the comet. The orbit is very uncertain due to the comet having been observed at only two apparitions, with no observations since 1986, and the uncertainty is so large that we would not have enough fuel on board to compensate for the uncertainty in the orbit after the flyby of Earth. This effort was not successful.
As a result, I recommended to NASA that we switch to our backup target, comet 103P/Hartley 2, which has a very well defined orbit but which requires two extra years for the mission and thus additional funding from NASA."

Mission Status Report 12/02/2007

 

[Dutch]

Just because the date is still on the site it doesn't mean anything special

except the fact that it is expressing Pi

 

[Dutch]

ofcourse they couldn't find Boethin, they already couldn't find him in April 1997. Why would he show up this time than?