Hyper Dimensional Design

[Dutch]

You write about magic, and you don't know what you talk of, why outside of what you write here on the forum should I read, your site is has no true information.

Paul

self-explanatory. What's your age Paulhoff? just curious

 

[Dutch]

To the people who work at NASA.

You are clueless.

Paul

Don't you think an email would be less expensive?

 

[Paulhoff]

Don't you think an email would be less expensive?

Daaaa, you have no idea do you. Stay in your limited and closed magical world, this thread is deleted from my list.

Bye Dutch, stay clueless, you're great at it and not worth my time. You see, I see Randi, talk to him, he banters me, you're not needed and you will not learn.

Paul

 

[Dutch]

I don´t know about me, but this info IS worth your time

later

 

[Blue Mountain]

Obviously you have misunderstood me. There are a few possibilities to choose when it comes to this Pi expression in the heavens by this Deep Impact/ Epoxi space craft. All possibilities have to do with 'communication' or do you think this Pi expression is out there as a random chance?

Yes, I think it is random. Because you have a large pool of data from which to draw, events can occur at intervals which you perceive to be fortuitous.

Consider the months of the year (in English.) Take on the first letter, and you get the following series:

J F M A M J J A S O N D

What message is the months of the year trying to tell us by putting the name "Jason" in there? Answer: None. It's just random data.

* Is it NASA giving a deliberate 'message'and to who?

No. So the "and to who" part becomes immaterial.

* Is it a possible creator himself showing he is behind everything that happens?

Probably not. You're seeing patterns in random data, which is something people are pretty good at doing.

* Is it an expression of the subconscious human mind making these kind of events possible, unveiling the hidden underlying Intelligent ( Hyper Dimensional ) Design?

No. See above point.

If you can come up with more possibilities with this Pi expression in mind you can add it to the list

I did, actually: the human imagination seeing patterns in otherwise random data.

I have told you before, I am not impressed, not at all. All you guys do is responding on my posts while looking at it at a stand alone basis. Your remarks indicate to me that you even haven't tried to read the related info or even haven't tried to understand the perspective in which this information has put together.

The problem with the related info is it is difficult to read. You do not approach the subject in a systematic fashion. Your HDD forum is almost exactly the same as your posts here: news items on to which you have grafted your peculiar brand of woo, all too frequently interspersed with phrases like "OMG!!" and "beautiful!" and "amazing" ... and "I didn't see this myself until I looked at it in retrospect."

That's what you understand of it. Astrology and numerolgy have not much to do with HDDesign, which is maily based on 'psychic' insights and expressed with mathematical correlations linked to our perception of time

As skeptics, we are not convinced there is any reality to claims of psychic phenomena. And to me the parallels between the inability of astrology and numerology to predict anything of substance and HDD are very striking.

The advice I can give you is that you should monitor when and what I post using the timelines. You guys lack the powerful experience of knowledge that unveils by synchronicities and intuitions first, instantly followed by the 'discovery'of the intelligent correlations as described by the HDDesign theories. That's how this material come to light

But you don't have a theory! You currently have a hypothesis that you can't test because you can't come up with an experiment to falsify it. All you have is reams and reams of news reports that you tie together with your own personal brand of woo, most of which you fail to explain on the HDD forum.

Part of the reason we don't "get it" is because you are unable to present your ideas in a coherent fashion. Look at what we had to go through here to get you to explain a "phi-encoded timespiral."

Come on, I have explained that several times here. Don't make me look it up for you but I will do so if you insist. Read first before to write your remarks

All your research is of no value if it cannot be used to make viable predictions. That is the purpose of research: to understand the processes underlying observed phenomena, so that once we understand those processes we can use them to our advantage. (I keep coming back to "predictions" because that appears to be about the only use to which we could put HDD once we have puzzled out its processes.)

It has already been mentioned on the timeline for 2009

Can you please provide a link to your 2009 timeline? Here we see an all too typical example of your inability to communicate your ideas clearly. Why did I have to ask for a link?

 

[Paul]

Official NASA site about Epoxi mission:

If you're going to hang your credibility on a specific date, it would be a good idea to do proper research.

Your Mission News is dated December 13 2007, the latest Overview (December 29 2008) and Status Report (June 19 2008) both give November 4 2010, meaning you are already demonstrably incorrect with with your new pi nonsense.

 

[Paul]

Do a search on 'Mayan' in the HDDesign material and have fun

Why don't you just answer the question with a simple explanation, instead of asking us to wade through pages of incomprehensible word salad?

 

[Paul]

I talk about a possibility here, it doesn't have to happen

Just like the previous times I had mentioned it on the timelines I expect 'expressions'of this specific underlying theme

That's the best you can do? A vague statement that the President of the USA may have an undefined security issue at some point in 2009.

I can do better than that with no knowledge of the situation:
I predict that on at least one occasion the secret service will have serious concerns about the safety of President Obama due to a specific credible threat.

 

[Dutch]

Yes, I think it is random. Because you have a large pool of data from which to draw, events can occur at intervals which you perceive to be fortuitous.

Which large pool of comet encounters are you talking about, with the Epoxi-moon-Earth Transit as Pi-point?

You really think this is just a coincidence or random event?

expressingPi in the heaves as just a coincidence?

you must be kidding

 

[Dutch]

The problem with the related info is it is difficult to read. You do not approach the subject in a systematic fashion. Your HDD forum is almost exactly the same as your posts here: news items on to which you have grafted your peculiar brand of woo, all too frequently interspersed with phrases like "OMG!!" and "beautiful!" and "amazing" ... and "I didn't see this myself until I looked at it in retrospect."

This HDDesign isn't systematic indeed. I cannot plan anything.
As a matter of fact I haven't posted much lately and I expected to become more active again early March next year, prior to a specific timeframe in March that seems significant.

These Epoxi/Deep Impact 'revelations' came out of nowhere. There's a thought, I give it a look and before I know it all these correlations are popping up. This is merely a psychic excercise, posted realtime so to speak.

 

[Dutch]

All your research is of no value if it cannot be used to make viable predictions. That is the purpose of research: to understand the processes underlying observed phenomena, so that once we understand those processes we can use them to our advantage. (I keep coming back to "predictions" because that appears to be about the only use to which we could put HDD once we have puzzled out its processes.)

What about understanding our past and our current reality?

Why should it make viable predictions? I have never claimed to make exact predictions. We ahve talked about this several times. This is about specific underlying themes at specific moments in our perception of time.

 

[Dutch]

Can you please provide a link to your 2009 timeline? Here we see an all too typical example of your inability to communicate your ideas clearly. Why did I have to ask for a link?

the timelines are posted in the main forum of HDDesign forum

I'm not going to spam this forum with links to HDDesign forum.

http://hddesign.forumup.nl/index.php?mforum=hddesign

 

[Dutch]

If you're going to hang your credibility on a specific date, it would be a good idea to do proper research.

Your Mission News is dated December 13 2007, the latest Overview (December 29 2008) and Status Report (June 19 2008) both give November 4 2010, meaning you are already demonstrably incorrect with with your new pi nonsense.

So why would NASA communicate this Epoxi mission initially with a comet encounter on October 11, 2010, exactly creating Pi?

it makes no difference in the communication that is taking place.

This is about consciousness remember

 

[Dutch]

Why don't you just answer the question with a simple explanation, instead of asking us to wade through pages of incomprehensible word salad?

because it pops up so many times in the material, there is no simple explanation

edit: I have started to filter the HDDesign material on the end of the mayan calender just recently. I repost Mayan related stuff in a seperate thread for further 'research' and to put it into perspective.

 

[Dutch]

That's the best you can do? A vague statement that the President of the USA may have an undefined security issue at some point in 2009.

I have done that several times alreay in this thread, with Obama's 'security issue' , during 2009 these patterns will continue and will be put on the timelines

I can do better than that with no knowledge of the situation:
I predict that on at least one occasion the secret service will have serious concerns about the safety of President Obama due to a specific credible threat.

reread this thread again about the Obama security issue. I have had it

 

[Paul]

So why would NASA communicate this Epoxi mission initially with a comet encounter on October 11, 2010, exactly creating Pi?

Because NASA aren't interested in creating pi for you, it is quite possible that the data may have changed since their initial calculations and their best data shows November 4 2010.

it makes no difference in the communication that is taking place.

They aren't communications secretly with you, they are providing any interested parties with the most accurate informations about current missions that is available.

This is about consciousness remember

You've been proved wrong, just admit it and stop digging a bigger hole of delusion for yourself.


Your pi calculations are wrong, using data from the source you used, that is a fact.

 

[Paul]

I have done that several times alreay in this thread, with Obama's 'security issue' , during 2009 these patterns will continue and will be put on the timelines

It's been shown numerous times that you were wrong, including dates outside even your margins and claiming security issues where none existed.

reread this thread again about the Obama security issue. I have had it

It's been read, discussed, explained, demonstrated, explained again and pointed out as simply as we can, you have been shown to be wrong.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Which large pool of comet encounters are you talking about, with the Epoxi-moon-Earth Transit as Pi-point?

I said nothing about a large pool of comets. I mentioned a large pool of data. Comets are only part of that pool.

You really think this is just a coincidence or random event?

expressing Pi in the heavens as just a coincidence?

you must be kidding

In his book Chariots of the Gods?, Von Däniken found Pi all over the Great Pyramid, which is square in shape ...

The point we're trying to make here is with enough data, you can find all sorts of interesting things. But it doesn't mean those things are significant. Post hoc ergo propter hoc and all that.

This HDDesign isn't systematic indeed. I cannot plan anything.

It's a design, but it's not systematic? I thought the whole idea behind the term "design" was there is some sort of system in place.

These Epoxi/Deep Impact 'revelations' came out of nowhere. There's a thought, I give it a look and before I know it all these correlations are popping up. This is merely a psychic excercise, posted realtime so to speak.

Once again, post hoc ergo propter hoc.

The classic example of the post hoc fallacy is a study that examine the hat wearing habits of men. They discovered that men who were balding were more likely to be seen wearing hats. The study concluded that wearing hats causes baldness.

Do you see why that conclusion is wrong?

What about understanding our past and our current reality?

History, anthropology, political science, and philosophy are much more useful tools in understanding our past and our current reality.

Why should it make viable predictions? I have never claimed to make exact predictions. We ahve talked about this several times.

If all you're doing is making vague comments about "expressions", soothsayers used to do that by examining the entrails of goats. Aside from fewer dead goats, how is HDD an improvement on that?

This is about specific underlying themes at specific moments in our perception of time.

As to specific underlying themes, you are completely missing the fact that you decide that something is important, then on dates you believe something important will occur you trawl the newswires looking for something--anything-- that looks like it might match. With generous fudge factors and weasel words like "expression". That's not research. It sounds more like a Victorian parlour game^WP.

the timelines are posted in the main forum of HDDesign forum

I'm not going to spam this forum with links to HDDesign forum.

http://hddesign.forumup.nl/index.php?mforum=hddesign

I appreciate your concern about spamming the JREF forum. However, if you post links to your forum when referring specific points you have made on your forum, I will not consider them to be spam and will not report them to the moderating team.

As a researcher you have an obligation to show us your original work. Which you do, in spades, on your forum. It currently has 7,330 posts in 329 topics spread across 17 forums. That's a lot of stuff to wade through. But because there's so much there, it would be much nicer to provide us with links instead of simply saying "go to my forum." Posting a link back to the appropriate post when referencing it here will be useful for all of us.

Also, I recommend you make your 2009 timelines sticky; it will make them easier to find.

 

[Dutch]

Because NASA aren't interested in creating pi for you, it is quite possible that the data may have changed since their initial calculations and their best data shows November 4 2010.

I don't think they did it for me, but they have done it initially. period.

They aren't communications secretly with you, they are providing any interested parties with the most accurate informations about current missions that is available.

and they come with Pi in the first place. Doesn't change a thing in relation to the hiden Intelligence behind it. This Pi expression is out there for everyone who understands its significgance

You've been proved wrong, just admit it and stop digging a bigger hole of delusion for yourself.

proved wrong? never happened

Your pi calculations are wrong, using data from the source you used, that is a fact.

are you saying Pi is not expressed with the given data?

 

[Dutch]

It's been shown numerous times that you were wrong, including dates outside even your margins and claiming security issues where none existed.

It's been read, discussed, explained, demonstrated, explained again and pointed out as simply as we can, you have been shown to be wrong.

nope, you just don't want to recognize the given events as subtle expressions related to the security issue of Obama. That doesn't mean it is wrong.

Only in your book, nobody has ever proved this HDdesign as invalid.