Hyper Dimensional Design

[Paul]

Yes, although lately he seems to be getting worse, here at least.

His objections and excuses are becoming sillier with little paranormal and pseudoscientific extras added to the mix.

 

[Paul]

so when I talk about the desintegration of mir as underlying theme for a specific future date and when that day comes Jules Verne desintegrates, than it is a confirmation bias or just a cherry pick out of all the desintegrations from space that day?

Both events were carefully planned human controlled procedures involving objects that needed to be brought down in the same area; have you asked anyone why the dates were chosen and if the initially planned dates were used?

 

[Dutch]

Hey Mister Earl.....right on time

So this monitored 911 based Phi spiral, that was expected to find 'expression' again around October 15 with the given themes, is getting momentum in its final days.

This spiral is about 'Srebrenica karma', expressed in The Netherlands like a boomerang on this timecoded spiral with the identified events on the predetermined keydates.

The responsibilty of The Netherlands in relation to the Srebrenica massacre is obvious, but I have said repeatedly that this spiral would also unveil the political responsibilties at the highest level. It was not the Dutch gouvernment that refused to give air support to the Dutch soldiers on the ground in order to protect the people of Srebrenica in a UN safe haven.

That decission was made at another level and with Hirshi Ali's depart to the US ( to take part in a Bush' think tank) it became clear to me for the first time that we should look for these responsibilities within the US gouvernment.

Just like Pim Fortuyn ( killed when he was a candidate to become Dutch PM) was 'expressing these themes' in The Netherlands, I expected similar 'expressions' in relation to the US presidency, in the form of current-, Vice-, former or hopeful etc.

That's why I have put the Obama/Hillary 'security situation' on the timeline since spring 2007.

During the summer of 2004 I didn't had the understanding of this HDDesign as I have now, so the timecoded patterns were identified back than in a different way, more 'psychic' based. My 'research' made me expect a 'health issue' for the Pope on the evening of September 2, 2004.

My expectations were based on 'related' events with the US Presidency ( Reagan) and Papacy.

The determination of the timing of the expected related event, in the evening of September 2, was based on a HD Tetrahedronal connection with Pope JP II visiting Lourdes on August 14, 2004, with this moment in the morning of August 14, when JPII said:

The pontiff had to stop to ask an aide for water, saying "Help me", then insisting: "I have to finish".

When the evening of September 2, 2004 came it was not the Pope who had problems with his health. It was former American President Clinton:

Clinton was in New York-Presbyterian Hospital on Friday after complaining the previous day about chest pain and shortness of breath.

I wrote back than in September 2004:
"In fact this could fit exactly with my 'calculated' timeframe of September 2, during sunset or the hours after the sunset. It looks as if the pope and Clinton were interchanged and ofcourse the effects were downgraded as Clinton didn't die. ( 19.47 days after the pope's visit to the shrine at Lourdes and Reagan's funeral symbology around sunset".

Goro Adachi wrote about this subject on his site Etemenanki:

Former President Bill Clinton has been hospitalized and will undergo heart bypass surgery. US presidents belong to our 'Babylon/Sun King' group that includes the Pope. I have long pointed out that there is a symbolic parallel between the American presidency and the papacy.

I even identified some correlations with the Madrid bombings and I managed to save the related posts from forums that I was posting at back in 2004. I reposted it in seperate threads when I started the HDDesign forum in 2006 and it can be found here:

Pope date September 2 / Clinton / Madrid bombing
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about19-hddesign.html
Exit of JP II and other related events
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about20-hddesign.html

Now let's go back to the related monitored timeframe around October 15, 2008.

Keep in mind that the US Presidency and Papacy is interchangeable in these concepts.

All given themes do indeed pop up around this predetermined timeframe:

initially posted on the timeline:
October 15, 2008 - Balkan Karma, keep an eye on Mladic, Karadzic, Seslj etc. and those politically responsible for the Srebrenica massacre next date on the Golden Mean Phi spiral Fortuyn-van Gogh-Hirshi Ali - Wilders. Security issue Obama and/or Hillary.
on the pattern as monitored: Arkan, Milosevic, Tolimir, Women from Srebrenica sueing Dutch government. Karadzic is already captured, keep your eyes on Mladic too.

Now take a look what has happened during this timeframe:

Cheney to receive heart treatment
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7672190.stm
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html
Kill Obama Comment at Palin Rally Unfounded, Secret Service Says
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.j...7479377&grpId=3659174697252470&nav=Groupspace
This news emerged:
Pope John Paul 'wounded' in 1982
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7673443.stm
Terror suspects arrested in Spain
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7673656.stm

Note that these suspects are believed to have given shelter to suspects in the 2004 Madrid train bombings which killed 191 people.
Also note that this attack on the Pope happened at another shrine similar to Lourdes: Fatima in Portugal

The next timeframe these themes could find expression again is around October 27, 2008 as mentioned on the timeline, followed by the expiring during the period from aprox November 2, 2008 ( Van Gogh trigger event) until around Hyper Dimensional Cube date at macro level:

November 15, 2008

Remember this is infact about 'Srebrenica karma' and those who are ( politically ) responsible for it. It must be understood that this is about 'expressions' of the underlying themes. It appears that there's no link between for instance 'srebrenica' and Obama, but the patterns unveil that these 'expressions' are related and that they are telling us a story that we need to understand.

The time has come that one should try to understand the deeper meaning of these events on the identified timecoded patterns. These events happen for a reason and we can understand.....or dismiss.

Keep this in mind while monitoring the upcoming related timeframes and try to understand what's actually happening in its deepest meaning

timeline Q4, 2008 Oct - Nov - Dec
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/about313-hddesign.html

 

[calebprime]

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Keep in mind that the US Presidency and Papacy is interchangeable in these concepts.

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That says it all.

This theory is nonsense three levels deep. Maybe more.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Hi Dutch,

On this side of the Atlantic Ocean, but more in the United States than in Canada, there's a small but very noisy group of people dedicated to the idea that the Universe was created a little more than 6,000 years ago by the god they worship. This movement has gone by various names over the past twenty years or so: Creation Science and Intelligent Design are the two most recent ones.

One of their main spokesmen is Duane Gish, who likes to debate people who hold to the scientific consensus that the universe is about 14 billion years old, and the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Part of his debate tactic is what's referred to as the "Gish Gallop," where over the course of a minute or two he reels off an enormous amount bad science mixed in with numerous logical fallacies. Refuting even one of these to a lay audience can take several minutes of explanation by someone who knows the science and is skilled in communicating it to the public. To refute the whole list would take many hours.

Is this what you're trying to do here? For us to go through your most recent post and show everywhere you've drawn a bad conclusion or are just wrong would take a large amount of time. Most if us here are willing simply to say "wrong!" and move on. We'd prefer to spend our time going after the dangerous quacks and frauds rather than waste it on one harmless crank.

I notice you've been posting here a lot less lately. Are you finding it difficult defending your pet project to an audience that shows you wrong at every turn? Or are you spending less time on HDD and more with your kids?

 

[Paulhoff]

Dutch, I've seen your forum, it is dead, no one here would find that odd.

Paul

 

[Dutch]

I've asked Dutch to explain his process from beginning to end, with all math included, in order for us to test his hypothesis scientifically. That was two or three years ago. He refuses to do so. There is nothing to his HD design. I haven't read this most recent thread, but I imagine it is the same as all of his others. Tons and tons of cherry-picked information held aloft as proof without clarifying any questions he is given. Myriads of terms invented or redefined. Dutch has Obfuscation down like an expert.

That was during the first few months of 2007. I think you have forgotten about the fact that suddenly the forum rules were changed, they moved this HDDesign material to the ATM section and they gave me 30 days to prove these theories. ridiculous of course. I have given answers and I tried to explain, people can review on BAUT and I have reposted it at HDDesign forum. I was banned soon after the 30 days period because I was not allowed to talk about it anymore. shame on BAUT.

It was decided to be debunked while the expectations were pretty much clear how they materialized as mentined on the timelines. These hits like the first Obama security issue and the 'srebrenica karma'expectations were posted during my time at BAUT. The clear hits on those predetermined dates were never discussed at BAUT because I was banned.

If you would have taken the effort to actually read the timeline in 2007 you would have known.

I'm not done with you yet Mistrer earl, I suggest you start to reread what has happened back than.

 

[Dutch]

Both events were carefully planned human controlled procedures involving objects that needed to be brought down in the same area; have you asked anyone why the dates were chosen and if the initially planned dates were used?

?

You seem to have missed the point that I posted about the desintegration of mir in relation to a specific future date without prior knowledge that a similar event would take place. When Jules Verne came down on that date it was an 'in the face' confirmation.

 

[Dutch]

That says it all.

This theory is nonsense three levels deep. Maybe more.

deeper indeed

 

[Dutch]

Dutch, I've seen your forum, it is dead, no one here would find that odd.

Paul

Well, you could have known by now that I use the HDDesign as '' research tool", to post my findings and ideas realtime, without corrections.

I don't want to have a forum, that's not my objective. I use it as a tool and discuss the material elsewhere and use the HDDesign forum as a reference.

 

[Dutch]

Hi Dutch,

On this side of the Atlantic Ocean, but more in the United States than in Canada, there's a small but very noisy group of people dedicated to the idea that the Universe was created a little more than 6,000 years ago by the god they worship. This movement has gone by various names over the past twenty years or so: Creation Science and Intelligent Design are the two most recent ones.

One of their main spokesmen is Duane Gish, who likes to debate people who hold to the scientific consensus that the universe is about 14 billion years old, and the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Part of his debate tactic is what's referred to as the "Gish Gallop," where over the course of a minute or two he reels off an enormous amount bad science mixed in with numerous logical fallacies. Refuting even one of these to a lay audience can take several minutes of explanation by someone who knows the science and is skilled in communicating it to the public. To refute the whole list would take many hours.

To take this as an example is suggestive, I don't want the HDDesign to be compared to this

Is this what you're trying to do here? For us to go through your most recent post and show everywhere you've drawn a bad conclusion or are just wrong would take a large amount of time. Most if us here are willing simply to say "wrong!" and move on. We'd prefer to spend our time going after the dangerous quacks and frauds rather than waste it on one harmless crank.

not at all, to me it seems that most answers were already present in the HDDesign material and by identifying future key dates and themes related issues are coming together. I have to 'research'my own material aswel.
I try to simplify it for the readers with the use of these timelines. From there people could investigate more if they like, but the expectations and events on the timeline could be a start

I notice you've been posting here a lot less lately. Are you finding it difficult defending your pet project to an audience that shows you wrong at every turn? Or are you spending less time on HDD and more with your kids?

Not at all, nobody has shown me wrong, not here not elsewhere. People just dismiss the correlations that are given. I think that readers should understand that there are way too many 'coincidences'in this material than should be expected if this is nonsense. I'm not impressed by the efforts of some here in order to debunk this HDDesign, not at all.

My time is limited though, I do have a normal job to do and I do indeed prefer to spend my spare time with my wife and kids

 

[calebprime]

I think that readers should understand that there are way too many 'coincidences'in this material than should be expected if this is nonsense. I'm not impressed by the efforts of some here in order to debunk this HDDesign, not at all.

Pick anything where the probability could be known, see if you can exceed chance.

Otherwise, you have nothing but some facility with your own system.

Your work has the same value as any other artistic endeavor--if it can generate something beautiful or entertaining.

It isn't even wrong, at this point.

This isn't about whether you're "impressed".

At least Nostradamus wrote some bad poetry.

To confirmation bias and cherry-picking, I'd add "system fetish"--wheels within wheels that engage nowhere.

 

[Paulhoff]

Well, you could have known by now that I use the HDDesign as '' research tool", to post my findings and ideas realtime, without corrections.

I use TV, Radio, Newspapers and the Internet has "Research Tools" and have no need to post the news in realtime and waste the forum's hard-drive space, and also no corrections are needed.

And on the forum, sure.................

Paul

 

[Blue Mountain]

That was during the first few months of 2007. I think you have forgotten about the fact that suddenly the forum rules were changed, they moved this HDDesign material to the ATM section and they gave me 30 days to prove these theories. ridiculous of course. I have given answers and I tried to explain, people can review on BAUT and I have reposted it at HDDesign forum. I was banned soon after the 30 days period because I was not allowed to talk about it anymore. shame on BAUT.

It was decided to be debunked while the expectations were pretty much clear how they materialized as mentined on the timelines. These hits like the first Obama security issue and the 'srebrenica karma' expectations were posted during my time at BAUT. The clear hits on those predetermined dates were never discussed at BAUT because I was banned.

First, you're in no danger of being banned here, because you're not going outside the rules. You are, however, getting to the point where the name "Dutch" is being recognized as a catchphrase for "loopy", sort of like "Reptoids" or "ET Corn Gods".

Second, the "clear hits' you keep talking about are clear only to you. The "Obama security issue" was a hit only in that you managed to find one story on Google news that contained both of the words "Obama" and "security". As it turns out, Obama's security was not at risk in the slightest.

And by the way, watch for news from Mars on November 6, 2008 (+/- 1 day). What's significant about this date? Nothing really (I more or less pulled it out of thin air), except for the fact it's not on your Deep Impact spiral. Nevertheless, Mars will be in the news on November 5, 6, or 7, and that mention will be proof positive of my awesome predictive powers.

 

[Dutch]

Second, the "clear hits' you keep talking about are clear only to you. The "Obama security issue" was a hit only in that you managed to find one story on Google news that contained both of the words "Obama" and "security". As it turns out, Obama's security was not at risk in the slightest.

This is what you get when people don't read. I have posted in this thread already:

Although I had already identified the 'srebrenica karma' as underlying theme for this Fortuyn-van Gogh timecoded spiral years ago, I did not know of this profound and fundamental connection between the 2 patterns

This same 911 based Phi timecoded spiral made me identfy this 'Obama and/or Hillary security issue' as underlying theme. I have put it on the timeline ever since Ayaan Hirshi Ali went to the US.

The first date was around May 2, 2007:

Obama placed under Secret Service protection
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/03/obama.protection/index.html

I have to emphasize it was a very early protection and came suddenly

next date was around December 3, 2007

I wrote in anticipation of this date on the timeline:

Around december 3 gives the next hit on the 911 based Golden mean spiral wich initially originated in the Netherlands with the Killing of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh, spiralling inwards with the developments around Hirshi-Ali and politics in The netherlands and the US too. This pattern made me expect a security issue for Obama or Hillary on the last hit back in May this year. On that day Obama was placed under an early protection of the Secret Services due to unspecified threats. The deepest underlying theme is Srebrenica.

Its 2 days early but could be a valid expression of the underlying themes :

Hostage drama at Clinton office
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7122013.stm

next date July 5, 2008

'security issue' for Obama:
Obama plane diverts to St. Louis
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/07/obama-plane-diverts-to-st-louis-2/

next date August 25, 2008

here's the Obama 'security issue'

OBAMA escapes assassination attempt

Obama assassination plot fears as armed men arrested
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4609445.ece

Plot to Assassinate Obama Unravels in Denver
http://chicagoist.com/2008/08/25/plot_to_assassinate_obama_unravels.php
next date september 25:

and here is the expected Security Issue for Obama as mentioned on the timeline :
Man charged after gun found in car near Obama home
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jU-1-ZxXVvlRUAGnSJkSlXlAZffQD93CPGP00

and the latest one around October 15:

Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html
Kill Obama Comment at Palin Rally Unfounded, Secret Service Says
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977479377&grpId=3659174697252470&nav=Groupspace


So that means 6 times in a row on every keydate of this pattern, posted on the timelines prior to the dates. The next dates are already given.

clear enough I would say

 

[Paulhoff]

Paul

 

[Paul]

OK, it's obviously difficult for you to understand what's already been said on this issue, so I'll lay it out again as clearly as I can:

The first date was around May 2, 2007:

Obama placed under Secret Service protection...

From your own link there are the following quotes-

The government is not aware of any specific, credible threat against Obama...
no specific threat against the candidate...
A Department of Homeland Security spokesperson also told CNN there is no known specific or credible threat...
The Secret Service is authorized to provide protection to "major" candidates as determined by the advisory committee, under certain guidelines...
​

next date was around December 3, 2007...
Its 2 days early but could be a valid expression of the underlying themes :

Hostage drama at Clinton office

First, 2 days early is outside of even your margin so the charge of confirmation bias seems even more valid.
Secondly-

took several hostages at Hillary Clinton's campaign office in Rochester, New Hampshire...
demanded to speak to Mrs Clinton, who was not present...
Mrs Clinton was at a Virginia party event and had no part in the stand-off...
​

next date July 5, 2008

'security issue' for Obama:
Obama plane diverts to St. Louis

Again 2 days out, plus-

Midwest Airlines released a statement saying that while “there was never an issue as to the safety of the flight, as a precautionary measure, we decided to divert the plane.”
​

next date August 25, 2008

here's the Obama 'security issue'

OBAMA escapes assassination attempt

The Alleged plot was for Thursday 28^th August, so you're out again, plus 'right-wing meth-cooking racists have guns and don't like Obama' is hardly news-

The FBI and the US Secret Service carried out an “intensive” investigation into the plot... ...but found insufficient evidence of a “true threat”...
​

next date september 25:

and here is the expected Security Issue for Obama as mentioned on the timeline :
Man charged after gun found in car near Obama home

2 days out again-

The U.S. Secret Service insisted he never posed a threat to the Democratic presidential candidate....
intoxicated but not armed when he was arrested...
Sengstacke did not utter any threats against Obama or make any threatening gestures before his arrest...
Discovery of the gun, Wiley said, did not change the Secret Service's view that Sengstacke never constituted a threat...
"There are probably hundreds of people a day who are in, near or at that checkpoint (around Obama's house) who have a weapon in their car that they're not supposed to have,"
​

and the latest one around October 15:

Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded

Both your links say there is no evidence for the allegation at all.

So that means 6 times in a row on every keydate of this pattern, posted on the timelines prior to the dates. The next dates are already given.

If you count days outside you margin of error on which there were no security issues as hits, it's possible.

clear enough I would say

That, in a nutshell, is your problem.

 

[Paulhoff]

You know Dutch; I see very little difference between you and a lot of very religious people, dowers etc in that you can’t see how far off base you are with reality. No matter how much people tell you that you are barking up the wrong tree you can’t see that. You want to be right so much that you have shut you eyes and mind to any other possibility. Too bad Dutch, it is a big shame we can’t get thru to you.

Paul

 

[Blue Mountain]

First, thanks to Paul for pointing out all the fiddling and stretching you had to do in order to make even the set of events you posted fit.

Now, on to this Phi timecoded spiral.

Although I had already identified the 'srebrenica karma' as underlying theme for this Fortuyn-van Gogh timecoded spiral years ago, I did not know of this profound and fundamental connection between the 2 patterns

This same 911 based Phi timecoded spiral made me identfy this 'Obama and/or Hillary security issue' as underlying theme. I have put it on the timeline ever since Ayaan Hirshi Ali went to the US.

The first date was around May 2, 2007:

Obama placed under Secret Service protection

Dutch, herein we see a fundamental problem with your scheme.

On your board, the thread in question has the title "911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society." (emphasis mine.) Regarding May 2, 2007, you said specifically:

May 2, 2007 - Golden Mean Phi based 'Srebrenica karma'. Washington.link.
3 Mars years in Earth days since 9/11, 3 Mars years in earth days prior to the end of the Mayan Calender
from Goro: Mayan Contact Midpoint, see update below.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali threathened in the US, heavy security/protection needed
(Post #111 of this thread)

(emphasis mine)

Wait! You said that on May 2, 2007, Ayaan Hirsi Ali would be threatened and need heavy security! But when Barack Obama was given Secret Service protection on that same day, you decided that was the event you were really looking for. So, suddenly an event that was supposed to be on a timeline related to 9/11 in Dutch society becomes instead an event that you can use to track a totally different set of events, namely, the presidential election in the United States.

Not only that, but you did not mention anything about Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton on the "911 based Phi spiral in Dutch society" thread on your own board until two days later, on May 4, 2007. You attempt to justify this postdiction by saying you had used the following words on yet another forum:

Golden Mean Phi based inspiralling gave the exit of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, I suggest the anticipation on May 2 as linked to on the timeline should be read.
It could very well be that we will see a political development around May 2, possibly related to Washington. Keep your eyes on Obama for instance, or Hillary.
(on his forum, repeating a quote he had made somewhere else)

On which forum did you make that quote, Dutch, and when? It wasn't here. And it wasn't important enough to have a mention on your own board until two days after the fact!

Prediction, this is not. All you're doing is fitting events after the fact, the same thing astrologers do all the time.

Continue watching this space for News from Mars on November 6, 2008 (+/- 1 day.) Paul and Paulhoff, would you be willing to use some sort of mathematical incantation to determine the next date on which we should look for news from Mars (or any other planet within or without the Solar System)? No need to show your work; just pick a scheme of some sort and post a date here.

 

[Paul]

First, thanks to Paul for pointing out all the fiddling and stretching you had to do in order to make even the set of events you posted fit.

You, sir, are most entirely welcome.

Paul and Paulhoff, would you be willing to use some sort of mathematical incantation to determine the next date on which we should look for news from Mars (or any other planet within or without the Solar System)?

I have 2 dates, one, November 15 2008 with the usual margins, was extracted from the home of the flying monkeys, and the other, October 25 2008, from cunning use of the magical information tubes.