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Here's a little test for you, Dutch. First, get a stopwatch or some sort of timer, or just a clock with a seconds hand on it.
Do you have one? Good. Now:
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I respectfully disagree. If truth was a factor in any way, shape, or form withing your HD Design hypothesis, you wouldn't resort to pareolia (spelled that wrong, I'm sure) and confirmation bias. You've artfully constructed a vague system that only you know, that produces no useful information, and is finely tuned so that eventually you get a "hit" while at the same time making any misses impossible. "Oh, it wasn't a hit this cycle, but it's still valid! It might hit the next time the cycle comes around! Or the next one! Or the next one! Or the next one!"
If science was based on the methods you use, we'd probably still think fire was caused by angry spirits.
If you had any intent whatsoever, Dutch, in truth, then you'd apply the scientific method. But my hyper-dimensional-tuber-superstarch method tells me you never will.
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Not to mention the plethora of problems your HD design system has. I'll rattle a few off the ol' brainpan.
1.) Why does HD design only care about affecting the lives of famous people who show up in the news, and/or important places or events?
2.) Via what mechanism do celestial objects influence things here on Earth, and why is it not detectable?
3.) Why doesn't it work in reverse? I.E, if something different happens to a famous person, place, event, why doesn't the necessary planet / asteroid / moon change orbit? Reverse in orbit? Change colors, flip around, turn into a pretzel, ect?
4.) Why are all HD design predictions so necessarily vague? Why can't it furnish absolute specifics instead of useless generalizations?
5.) Why doesn't the positions of the planets or time and dates used in your predictions have to be exact? Why do you permit yourself a multi-day buffer?
And most telling of all:
6.) Why is HD design indistinguishable from random word salad rife with vague generalizations anyone can make?
1.) Why does HD design only care about affecting the lives of famous people who show up in the news, and/or important places or events?
2.) Via what mechanism do celestial objects influence things here on Earth, and why is it not detectable?
3.) Why doesn't it work in reverse? I.E, if something different happens to a famous person, place, event, why doesn't the necessary planet / asteroid / moon change orbit? Reverse in orbit? Change colors, flip around, turn into a pretzel, ect?
4.) Why are all HD design predictions so necessarily vague? Why can't it furnish absolute specifics instead of useless generalizations?
5.) Why doesn't the positions of the planets or time and dates used in your predictions have to be exact? Why do you permit yourself a multi-day buffer?
And most telling of all:
6.) Why is HD design indistinguishable from random word salad rife with vague generalizations anyone can make?
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Because some at JREF's are to lazy to review it themselves, I have put these Pi-based design findings together in a seperate post. Be aware that all info has already been posted before here in this thread at JREF's but it seemed that readers didn't comprehend the correlations when I just refer to it.
So here goes.
On May 29, 2008 NASA’s Deep Impact / Epoxi spacecraft created a video of the moon transiting ( passing in front of ) Earth as seen from the spacecraft’s point of view. Scientists are using the video to develop techniques to study alien worlds.
"Making a video of Earth from so far away helps the search for other life-bearing planets in the Universe by giving insights into how a distant, Earth-like alien world would appear to us," said University of Maryland astronomer Michael A’Hearn, principal investigator for the Deep Impact extended mission, called EPOXI.
Here we already see this ‘contact’ theme emerging, as will become clearer with the already identified and shared Pi- based expressions in the HDDesign material. As I understand that it’s for most readers a bridge too far to fully comprehend these ‘expressions’ in the right context, I will try to summarize and elaborate on the already posted material.
Deep Impact made history when the mission team directed an impactor from the spacecraft into comet Tempel 1 on July 4, 2005. NASA extended the mission, redirecting the spacecraft for a flyby of comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4, 2010.
Its beyond the scope of this post to elaborate on the implications of the impact on comet Temple I, in its relation to the Tunguska Events and the use of nuclear weapons, that has already been covered in the HDDesign material.
Around the same time of this Deep Impact/Epoxi –Moon- Earth ( artificial) transit a crop circle appeared in Barbury Castle, expressing Pi rounding up to 10 decimal places.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/UK2008BarburyGraphOverlayLo.jpg
mind boggling indeed.
According to the triggerdate system as identified and applied in the HDDesign material ( and in the HDDesign material only), this Deep Impact/Epoxi – Moon – Earth Transit happened exactly at ‘Ascension starttrigger date’ in relation to the end of the Mayan Long Count calendar. Without fully explaining the ‘ascension timeframe’ here, as it is done elsewhere in the HDDesign material, its sufficient to know that the Ascension timeframe is a 3333 days timeframe with a monitored events day in the middle ( end of Mayan calendar ) and a startdate 1666 days earlier ( Deep Impact – Moon Earth Transit).
Keep in mind that all this info initially emerged by intuitive thoughts and syncronicities.
The 3333 days Ascension timeframe and Pi seemed to be connected in the hidden underlying Design of these described events but another ‘confirmation’ really made me alert of the possible profoundness of what was to about to unveil. I decided to devide the ascension timeframe with Pi and it appeared that the outcome was exactly the timeframe between Deep Impact/Epoxi’s impact on comet Temple I and the Deep Impact – Moon- Earth transit: 1060 days, indicating that the latter was intelligently planned to take place at this specific moment in our perception of time, be it consciously or sub-consciously but unveiling the hidden underlying Design nevertheless. Pi in relation to Earth days is the ‘language’ used in the ‘communication’ that is taking place.
As most readers probably know, Deep Impact/Epoxi is heading to a flyby next month with comet Hartley 2 on November 4, 2010. When NASA extended the Epoxi mission, they initially said that the encounter with comet Hartley 2 would take place on October 11, 2010 instead of November 4, 2010. Why is that? What was NASA trying to say by communicating this comet encounter on October 11, 2010 while it would never take place on that day?
The answer is that NASA communicated it this way because its part of the communication that is taking place, consciously or sub-consciously. I intuitively expected a Pi based correlation with our perception of time and that’s exactly what showed up instantly when I gave the timeframes a closer look.
Let me explain
How do you express Pi with 3 events based on our perception of time?
The events are known: Deep impact on comet Temple I on July 4, 2005, de Deep Impact – Moon – Earth transit on May 29, 2008 and the scheduled or communicated comet encounter with Hartley 2 on October 11, 2010.
The timeframe between impact on Temple I and the transit of 1060 days was already identified as Pi based. The ‘hypothetical’ encounter with Hartley 2 had to be scheduled in a way to express Pi. In order to do so we have to split the timeframe between impact on comet Temple I and ‘hypothetical’ encounter with Hartley 2 in 2 timeframes that express Pi, with 1 of them already marked by the Deep Impact –Moon- earth transit ( 1060 days ).
It showed up instantly:
Deep Impact on comet Temple I - ‘hypothetical’ encounter with Hartley 2 = 1925 days
1925 / Pi / Pi = 195 days
1925 minus 195 = 1730 days
1730 / 2 = 865 days, marking Pi
865 + 195 days = 1060 days, marking Pi
865 + 1060 is of course 1925 again.
With the impact on comet Temple I and the Deep Impact/Epoxi – moon- Earth tansit as facts, Pi is only unveiled this way with a hypothetical encounter on October 11, 2010.
An encounter that is expressing Pi in our perception of time that was communicated by NASA but would never take place!
Consider this for a while.
Pi and our perception of time
The example above is applied to 3 events but you can also apply the same Pi based principle on for instance an orbit, as we have seen with the orbit of asteroid Steins, indicating that Steins has an Intelligently Designed orbit.
Steins orbit is 1326,736 Earth days
1326,7 / Pi / Pi = 134.4 Earth days
1327,7 - 134,4 = 1192,3 Earth days
The 2 Pi points are
1192,3 / 2 = 596,2 Days
and
596,1 +134, 4 = 730,5 Earth days
That’s exactly 2 Earth Years or the same orbital position of Earth.
Or in other words: Earth's orbit is encoded in Steins orbit by Pi
After the flyby of 'asteroid' Steins the Rosetta spacecraft continued its mission and next event on its mission was an Earth flyby on its way towards asteroid Lutetia.
This Earth flyby happened on November 13, 2009 and was the last of 4 planet flyby's of rosetta spacecraft.
The previous flyby ( the third) happened on November 13, 2007!!!!
exactly 2 Earth years!!!!
Rosetta is confirming this Intelligent Pi based correlation between Earth and Stein's orbits right after its encounter with Steins by an Earth Flyby exactly 2 years later than the previous one, exactly the same timeframe as based on the Pi point of Steins' orbit.
This is the same Pi based Design as with the Deep Impact/Epoxi mission and the lunar impact mission, as identified and explained in the HDDesign material with previous posts.
With these 'manmade' events in space as expressed with rosetta spacecraft, we are 'communicating' that the Intelligent correlations with Earth in relation to Steins are understood.
Its so obvious and clear....and its shows up in the HDDesign material just like that, instantly after an initial synchronicity....again showing that 'we' are 'communicating' with our current missions in space based on the same identified Geometry as with the Deep Impact and Lunar Impact missions ( Lunar Impact missions are explained in separate posts ).
Pi and our perception of time
During this predetermined Pi point Steins an intuitive thought made me apply this very Pi based Design on the orbit of Mars’ moon Phobos.
The real orbital period of Phobos is 0,3189102 Earth days
If we apply this Pi based design as determined here in the HDDesign material we get:
0,3189102 x Pi x Pi = Pi.............
or
...............almost Pi, because Pi / Pi /Pi =0,3183098
This is so very close to expressing Pi, in the very same way as already shown here with the orbit of Steins, Deep Impact comet encounters etc, that it can't be just a coincidence. It shows up just like that after an intuitive thought.
In fact the perfect expression of Pi with the orbit of Phobos is so close that the difference is even less than a minute. 51,87 seconds to be precise, based on currently available info.
It is known that Phobos has an orbital decay. According to a mainstream space agency, the ESA, Phobos was ahead of its predicted position, possibly indicating that Phobos is speading up and together with the orbital decay the orbital period of Phobos is closing in on this Perfect Pi expression rapidly and just less than a minute or perhaps even seconds away.
That means that Phobos is on a countdown
We are still talking about the underlying ‘contact’ theme here, the major theme of the Q3 timeline in the HDdesign material
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=11838&mforum=hddesign#11838
We better get used to the idea.
mainstream, CNN:
'100 percent' life chance on new planet
( yes, the headline on the mainpage of CNN is without the question mark / Dutch )
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/30/100-percent-chance-for-life-on-newly-found-planet/?hpt=T2
So here goes.
On May 29, 2008 NASA’s Deep Impact / Epoxi spacecraft created a video of the moon transiting ( passing in front of ) Earth as seen from the spacecraft’s point of view. Scientists are using the video to develop techniques to study alien worlds.
"Making a video of Earth from so far away helps the search for other life-bearing planets in the Universe by giving insights into how a distant, Earth-like alien world would appear to us," said University of Maryland astronomer Michael A’Hearn, principal investigator for the Deep Impact extended mission, called EPOXI.
Here we already see this ‘contact’ theme emerging, as will become clearer with the already identified and shared Pi- based expressions in the HDDesign material. As I understand that it’s for most readers a bridge too far to fully comprehend these ‘expressions’ in the right context, I will try to summarize and elaborate on the already posted material.
Deep Impact made history when the mission team directed an impactor from the spacecraft into comet Tempel 1 on July 4, 2005. NASA extended the mission, redirecting the spacecraft for a flyby of comet Hartley 2 on Nov. 4, 2010.
Its beyond the scope of this post to elaborate on the implications of the impact on comet Temple I, in its relation to the Tunguska Events and the use of nuclear weapons, that has already been covered in the HDDesign material.
Around the same time of this Deep Impact/Epoxi –Moon- Earth ( artificial) transit a crop circle appeared in Barbury Castle, expressing Pi rounding up to 10 decimal places.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Dutch23031965/UK2008BarburyGraphOverlayLo.jpg
mind boggling indeed.
According to the triggerdate system as identified and applied in the HDDesign material ( and in the HDDesign material only), this Deep Impact/Epoxi – Moon – Earth Transit happened exactly at ‘Ascension starttrigger date’ in relation to the end of the Mayan Long Count calendar. Without fully explaining the ‘ascension timeframe’ here, as it is done elsewhere in the HDDesign material, its sufficient to know that the Ascension timeframe is a 3333 days timeframe with a monitored events day in the middle ( end of Mayan calendar ) and a startdate 1666 days earlier ( Deep Impact – Moon Earth Transit).
Keep in mind that all this info initially emerged by intuitive thoughts and syncronicities.
The 3333 days Ascension timeframe and Pi seemed to be connected in the hidden underlying Design of these described events but another ‘confirmation’ really made me alert of the possible profoundness of what was to about to unveil. I decided to devide the ascension timeframe with Pi and it appeared that the outcome was exactly the timeframe between Deep Impact/Epoxi’s impact on comet Temple I and the Deep Impact – Moon- Earth transit: 1060 days, indicating that the latter was intelligently planned to take place at this specific moment in our perception of time, be it consciously or sub-consciously but unveiling the hidden underlying Design nevertheless. Pi in relation to Earth days is the ‘language’ used in the ‘communication’ that is taking place.
As most readers probably know, Deep Impact/Epoxi is heading to a flyby next month with comet Hartley 2 on November 4, 2010. When NASA extended the Epoxi mission, they initially said that the encounter with comet Hartley 2 would take place on October 11, 2010 instead of November 4, 2010. Why is that? What was NASA trying to say by communicating this comet encounter on October 11, 2010 while it would never take place on that day?
The answer is that NASA communicated it this way because its part of the communication that is taking place, consciously or sub-consciously. I intuitively expected a Pi based correlation with our perception of time and that’s exactly what showed up instantly when I gave the timeframes a closer look.
Let me explain
How do you express Pi with 3 events based on our perception of time?
The events are known: Deep impact on comet Temple I on July 4, 2005, de Deep Impact – Moon – Earth transit on May 29, 2008 and the scheduled or communicated comet encounter with Hartley 2 on October 11, 2010.
The timeframe between impact on Temple I and the transit of 1060 days was already identified as Pi based. The ‘hypothetical’ encounter with Hartley 2 had to be scheduled in a way to express Pi. In order to do so we have to split the timeframe between impact on comet Temple I and ‘hypothetical’ encounter with Hartley 2 in 2 timeframes that express Pi, with 1 of them already marked by the Deep Impact –Moon- earth transit ( 1060 days ).
It showed up instantly:
Deep Impact on comet Temple I - ‘hypothetical’ encounter with Hartley 2 = 1925 days
1925 / Pi / Pi = 195 days
1925 minus 195 = 1730 days
1730 / 2 = 865 days, marking Pi
865 + 195 days = 1060 days, marking Pi
865 + 1060 is of course 1925 again.
With the impact on comet Temple I and the Deep Impact/Epoxi – moon- Earth tansit as facts, Pi is only unveiled this way with a hypothetical encounter on October 11, 2010.
An encounter that is expressing Pi in our perception of time that was communicated by NASA but would never take place!
Consider this for a while.
Pi and our perception of time
The example above is applied to 3 events but you can also apply the same Pi based principle on for instance an orbit, as we have seen with the orbit of asteroid Steins, indicating that Steins has an Intelligently Designed orbit.
Steins orbit is 1326,736 Earth days
1326,7 / Pi / Pi = 134.4 Earth days
1327,7 - 134,4 = 1192,3 Earth days
The 2 Pi points are
1192,3 / 2 = 596,2 Days
and
596,1 +134, 4 = 730,5 Earth days
That’s exactly 2 Earth Years or the same orbital position of Earth.
Or in other words: Earth's orbit is encoded in Steins orbit by Pi
After the flyby of 'asteroid' Steins the Rosetta spacecraft continued its mission and next event on its mission was an Earth flyby on its way towards asteroid Lutetia.
This Earth flyby happened on November 13, 2009 and was the last of 4 planet flyby's of rosetta spacecraft.
The previous flyby ( the third) happened on November 13, 2007!!!!
exactly 2 Earth years!!!!
Rosetta is confirming this Intelligent Pi based correlation between Earth and Stein's orbits right after its encounter with Steins by an Earth Flyby exactly 2 years later than the previous one, exactly the same timeframe as based on the Pi point of Steins' orbit.
This is the same Pi based Design as with the Deep Impact/Epoxi mission and the lunar impact mission, as identified and explained in the HDDesign material with previous posts.
With these 'manmade' events in space as expressed with rosetta spacecraft, we are 'communicating' that the Intelligent correlations with Earth in relation to Steins are understood.
Its so obvious and clear....and its shows up in the HDDesign material just like that, instantly after an initial synchronicity....again showing that 'we' are 'communicating' with our current missions in space based on the same identified Geometry as with the Deep Impact and Lunar Impact missions ( Lunar Impact missions are explained in separate posts ).
Pi and our perception of time
During this predetermined Pi point Steins an intuitive thought made me apply this very Pi based Design on the orbit of Mars’ moon Phobos.
The real orbital period of Phobos is 0,3189102 Earth days
If we apply this Pi based design as determined here in the HDDesign material we get:
0,3189102 x Pi x Pi = Pi.............
or
...............almost Pi, because Pi / Pi /Pi =0,3183098
This is so very close to expressing Pi, in the very same way as already shown here with the orbit of Steins, Deep Impact comet encounters etc, that it can't be just a coincidence. It shows up just like that after an intuitive thought.
In fact the perfect expression of Pi with the orbit of Phobos is so close that the difference is even less than a minute. 51,87 seconds to be precise, based on currently available info.
It is known that Phobos has an orbital decay. According to a mainstream space agency, the ESA, Phobos was ahead of its predicted position, possibly indicating that Phobos is speading up and together with the orbital decay the orbital period of Phobos is closing in on this Perfect Pi expression rapidly and just less than a minute or perhaps even seconds away.
That means that Phobos is on a countdown
We are still talking about the underlying ‘contact’ theme here, the major theme of the Q3 timeline in the HDdesign material
http://hddesign.forumup.nl/viewtopic.php?p=11838&mforum=hddesign#11838
We better get used to the idea.
mainstream, CNN:
'100 percent' life chance on new planet
( yes, the headline on the mainpage of CNN is without the question mark / Dutch )
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/30/100-percent-chance-for-life-on-newly-found-planet/?hpt=T2
Daylightstar
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6400990&postcount=3417 (3 oct)
Dutch, did ESA not get back to you yet?
Dutch, did ESA not get back to you yet?
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Daylightstar
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They could have at least acknowledged your emai(?).
How did you present your question? Did you present it in the context of your hyper dimensional design and did you speak to them in the same absolute terms like you do here and elsewhere?
If not, you might want to remind them of your question.
Daylightstar
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This is the key to the whole thing. Keep it in mind indeed.
What you have been communicating all those years, is that you yourself construct both the 'intuitive thoughts' and the 'syncronicities'.
Whereas you think you can forcefeed your ideas by means of projecting absolute certainty, rational minds need actual documentation of methods, math etcetera.
Both of which you can not provide.
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I have just asked a simple question about the current known orbital period of Phobos and its estimated decay ( in terms of orbital period ). that's it.
No reply whatsoever
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rational minds need to open up, you can't just read this from a paper and expect people to comprehend. Much more is needed
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"I won't answer these questions, so I'll vaguely suggest I've already answered them while I have not. Then I can have some peace while you're off on a wild goose chase."
That's how it seems to me, to be perfectly honest here.
Daylightstar
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Yes, actual documentation of methods, math etcetera. Like I said.
Daylightstar
Philosopher
Sorry Dutch, but referring to non-existent content (as you have done before also) doesn't convince anyone.
It also doesn't open up rational minds.
Daylightstar
Philosopher
you're not really this certain.
Sideroxylon
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Yeah, but if he did that some smart arse would come along and unravel everything like the ET corn gods thread. Best to keep it vague and if there is really even a system, keep it closed source.
Blue Mountain
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Thanks for going to the effort of putting all this together.
Your comment about us being "too lazy to review it ourselves" is not correct. You are the one making the claims here, it is up to you to support them! It seems like every time we have a question about HDD's concepts, fundamentals or methodology, your first response is, "It's all here! Just read the thread!"
But we've consistently pointed out to you that your major posts in this thread are difficult to read. You introduce new concepts without explaining them. You seem to have no rhyme or reason to applying the constants or arithmetical operators (addition and division, mostly) you use. It takes a large amount of questioning on our part to get you to show us how you're doing the stuff you do. I think we spent at least three or four pages (100+ posts) to get you to show us how you compute a time spiral.
You're like a master chef trying to run a cooking class as part of a computer science course. He doesn't understand that some of his students may not be overly enthusiastic about the subject to begin with (not the best analogy--in this thread our lack of enthusiasm stems not so much from disinterest in HDD itself as it does in our scepticism about is methods and conclusions), and some are such rank beginners they are unfamiliar with concepts like boiling vs. baking vs. frying. The chef is showing off all his wonderful creations to the students and insisting they should be able to re-create them if only they study hard enough. The students are complaining that's all the chef does: shows off his marvellous creations. If pressed, he will throw out the names of some of the ingredients as well.
The chef needs to realize the only way he can ever hope to get the students to do something as simple as an omelette is start with the eggs and go from there.
As for the rest of your post, I'll look at it carefully in a few hours and respond to it.
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Inter–Dimensional Contact
Confirmation by Design
When intuition speaks……….
For practical reasons in the past, I have limited the timeframe around a determined events day to + or – 1 day, creating in fact a 3 days timeframe. I did so consistently from the beginning of this HDDesign ‘research’, but I have often said that this 3 days timeframe is way to rigid and should in fact be seen as a timeframe of a few days around a determined ‘peak’ date. On the timelines I use 3 days before and after a predetermined date, creating a 7 days timeframe.
While doing this HDDesign ‘research’ I have often noticed a 3 days difference (+ or -) between a predetermined events day and the actual ‘confirmation’ in our reality, there are numerous examples of this in the HDDesign material. This 7 days period of creation (as above – so below) is valid for each single moment in our perception of time. Imagine that you have knowledge about inter-dimensional existence and you have to explain this to an early human, you would probably explain it with a story similar to what has been told in Genesis for instance.
Confirmation by Design
When intuition speaks……….
For practical reasons in the past, I have limited the timeframe around a determined events day to + or – 1 day, creating in fact a 3 days timeframe. I did so consistently from the beginning of this HDDesign ‘research’, but I have often said that this 3 days timeframe is way to rigid and should in fact be seen as a timeframe of a few days around a determined ‘peak’ date. On the timelines I use 3 days before and after a predetermined date, creating a 7 days timeframe.
While doing this HDDesign ‘research’ I have often noticed a 3 days difference (+ or -) between a predetermined events day and the actual ‘confirmation’ in our reality, there are numerous examples of this in the HDDesign material. This 7 days period of creation (as above – so below) is valid for each single moment in our perception of time. Imagine that you have knowledge about inter-dimensional existence and you have to explain this to an early human, you would probably explain it with a story similar to what has been told in Genesis for instance.
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Isn't being a master chef of word salad fun? Dutch, this is nonsense, as always. And as always, you know it is.
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