Why do ALL demolition experts reject the fantasist myth that explosives were used to bring down the Twin Towers? What errors does Brent Blanchard make in the Protec paper?
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How were WTC core columns separated at the weld planes?
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Why do ALL demolition experts reject the fantasist myth that explosives were used to bring down the Twin Towers? What errors does Brent Blanchard make in the Protec paper?
DGM
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Major Tom:
I'm interested to know how you could discern this from the photos but the investigators on-site missed it. You do realize that there were investigators there looking and touching this steel? Were they all "in on it" or just woefully incompetent?
I'm interested to know how you could discern this from the photos but the investigators on-site missed it. You do realize that there were investigators there looking and touching this steel? Were they all "in on it" or just woefully incompetent?
GregoryUrich
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Max, why the focus on lasers? Wouldn't it be easier to have remote controlled fuses (i.e. electronic ignition) of some sort.
Dave Rogers
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Possibly because Max realises that electronic ignition requires one of the two following things:
(a) Large quantities of wiring installed in the towers and leading from them to the control centre, wherever that is, which would involve many miles of wiring with consequent installation time requirements and a serious possibility of detection, or
(b) Large numbers of radio controlled detonators capable of withstanding the heat of the building fires in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts, the shock of the impacts and the shock waves from the fuel deflagrations immediately after the impacts, also capable of functioning correctly in an environment rich in stray radio signals from mobile phones and radios used by first responders.
Lasers are immune to either of these sets of drawbacks, and Max is hoping to spread uncertainty faster than the regulars here can research the alternative, and quite likely much greater, drawbacks from using sharks with lasers.
Dave
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BenBurch
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Max isn't going to be able to produce his Unicorn.
And he has no idea how many FLOORS of WTC-7 his laser installation would take! He's talking something literally as complex as the National Ignition Facility but installed covertly in a building still in daily use by its tenant.
You get the picture!
And worse the DT pellet the NIF is designed to hit is ALWAY IN THE SAME PLACE. Add to the hardware of NIF targeting hardware and computers for same. At minimum two dirigible perfectly clean 40th wave optical flats for each beam.
Max, you are a fool if you think this could be installed anywhere in Manhatten without BILLIONS being spent and THOUSANDS of people know.
Since you DO clearly think that...
And he has no idea how many FLOORS of WTC-7 his laser installation would take! He's talking something literally as complex as the National Ignition Facility but installed covertly in a building still in daily use by its tenant.
You get the picture!
And worse the DT pellet the NIF is designed to hit is ALWAY IN THE SAME PLACE. Add to the hardware of NIF targeting hardware and computers for same. At minimum two dirigible perfectly clean 40th wave optical flats for each beam.
Max, you are a fool if you think this could be installed anywhere in Manhatten without BILLIONS being spent and THOUSANDS of people know.
Since you DO clearly think that...
Max isn't going to be able to produce his Unicorn.
And he has no idea how many FLOORS of WTC-7 his laser installation would take! He's talking something literally as complex as the National Ignition Facility but installed covertly in a building still in daily use by its tenant.
http://www.llnl.gov/PAO/news/news_images/bigpix/nif.jpg
http://www.llnl.gov/nif/project/images/pro_stat_0102_04174_26_lrg.jpg
http://www.llnl.gov/nif/project/images/pro_stat_1201_04100_18_sm.jpg
You get the picture!
And worse the DT pellet the NIF is designed to hit is ALWAY IN THE SAME PLACE. Add to the hardware of NIF targeting hardware and computers for same. At minimum two dirigible perfectly clean 40th wave optical flats for each beam.
Max, you are a fool if you think this could be installed anywhere in Manhatten without BILLIONS being spent and THOUSANDS of people know.
Since you DO clearly think that...
I don't know--I used to think Max was a complete know-nothing, a crackpot who invented a lot of silly nonsense out of whole cloth. But, I think you could slip this stuff in and out without being noticed.
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Can you point to any chemical testing for said chemicals to prove there is no residual trace?
As far as Swing's response, I would have to say letter B is the appropriate answer.
Is the picture of the device shown above an arrangement of lasers specifically designed to catalyze a hydrogen fusion reaction? Why would you compare a machine designed to equal conditions within the sun with the type of laser arrangement and requirements that Mr. Photon envisions?
I don't believe that Mr. Photon requires conditions within our sun to be matched on 9-11-01.
In answer to DGM, as I mentioned before,
1) The large, large majority of core box column sections seen in the rubble are totally straight.
2) The large, large majority of core box column sections seen in the rubble have squared-off ends with clean breaks that are right along the original weld surfaces.
Anyone capable of carefully looking through photos and noting whether the 2 facts mentioned above are true is capable of either confirming or refuting what I say.
You can observe these features with your own eyes.
If the on-site investigators missed these noticable features, wouldn't you want to ask them how they could miss such obviously recurring patterns? Why ask me?
But there is no reason to "believe" them, or to "believe" me. You can either verify or disprove what I say with your own eyes simply utilizing the publicly available photos.
I don't believe that Mr. Photon requires conditions within our sun to be matched on 9-11-01.
In answer to DGM, as I mentioned before,
1) The large, large majority of core box column sections seen in the rubble are totally straight.
2) The large, large majority of core box column sections seen in the rubble have squared-off ends with clean breaks that are right along the original weld surfaces.
Anyone capable of carefully looking through photos and noting whether the 2 facts mentioned above are true is capable of either confirming or refuting what I say.
You can observe these features with your own eyes.
If the on-site investigators missed these noticable features, wouldn't you want to ask them how they could miss such obviously recurring patterns? Why ask me?
But there is no reason to "believe" them, or to "believe" me. You can either verify or disprove what I say with your own eyes simply utilizing the publicly available photos.
BenBurch
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The total amount of energy he has to deliver to target is on the order of the same amount required to fuse a DT pellet.
Max Photon
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The white flashes along the NE edge of both towers are not compression artifacts.
I agree there are many noticeable compression artifacts in the video.
I do not agree that the white flashes along the NE edges of both towers, at peak emotional moments, are compression artifacts.
Max ax x
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I agree there are many noticeable compression artifacts in the video.
I do not agree that the white flashes along the NE edges of both towers, at peak emotional moments, are compression artifacts.
Max ax x
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DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
Maybe I should have asked you how you were able the examine the breaks in detail. That's the important bit. But I suspect you already know that and prefer to not address that inconvenient point.
BTW I personally know some of these people that "missed" your obvious points.
Max Photon
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Thermite-dusted shock-tube can actually be seen in videos, AND in NIST NCSTAR photos!
You know Ben, if you take this video, and use Virtualdub (excellent freeware) to either view the video frame-by-frame, OR, break the video into its image sequence, you can see for yourself - if you follow the thermite-dusted shock-tube flashes:
Obviously, this presumes you clearly understand the splice patterns.
Now this is the Max Wow part!
(Are you guys listening?)
You can actually locate shock-tube in the above video, and then find the same shock-tube in the NIST NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C photos.
Ben, please read that last sentence 1000 times.
Max
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You know Ben, if you take this video, and use Virtualdub (excellent freeware) to either view the video frame-by-frame, OR, break the video into its image sequence, you can see for yourself - if you follow the thermite-dusted shock-tube flashes:
- The actual shock-tube;
- The shock-tube intersecting spandrel splices (as predicted);
- The shock-tube intersecting column splice 2/3 up the window (as predicted);
- Branching of more shock-tube from some splices (as predicted).
Obviously, this presumes you clearly understand the splice patterns.
Now this is the Max Wow part!
(Are you guys listening?)
You can actually locate shock-tube in the above video, and then find the same shock-tube in the NIST NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C photos.
Ben, please read that last sentence 1000 times.
Max
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A W Smith
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max max max...
You just don't get it. Your fantasy can not possibly exist in a rel world condition. I know this is just a childlike plausibility contest for you. but
- you cannot reliably keep a fixed aim at a moving target as small as a pencil as the buildings sway in the wind.
- you cannot place "shock tubes" within the outer skin of the building without dismantling it from outside. which presents an access problem.
- you cannot place laser emitting devices in the surrounding buildings with sufficient power that would go unnoticed by the tenants.
- the flashes you see are paper or compression artifacts.
- you have no evidence beyond insane speculation and arguments from incredulity
JimBenArm
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I thought chill zero said we couldn't post humorous stuff in this thread any more.
Oh, wait, you're serious? Really? Oh, dear...
Max Photon
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MAX-MIHOP, now on video!
How beautiful life is.
I suggest everyone read NIST NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C - twice, and then watch BillyRay's video 10 times.
NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C describes what your are looking at.
The report describes:
All these phenomena are right there in front of you in this video.
You are looking directly at the MAX-MIHOP collapse initiation mechanism unfolding.
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How beautiful life is.
I suggest everyone read NIST NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C - twice, and then watch BillyRay's video 10 times.
NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C describes what your are looking at.
The report describes:
- Heavy smoke releases
- Smoke puffs
- Pressure pulses
- Metal fires
- Metal flows
- White glows
- Flaring fires
- Ejected debris
All these phenomena are right there in front of you in this video.
You are looking directly at the MAX-MIHOP collapse initiation mechanism unfolding.
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uruk
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Your "peak emotional moments" coincide when there is the most movement in the video.
Movement in the frames cause the most compression errors. The compression errors are most notable when there is a high contrast boundry.
Here is a decent site talking about video compression. Take note of aliasing, overload and the "Gibbs effect" in the "problem with digital video" section.
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~nd/surprise_96/journal/vol4/sab/report.html
http://www.michaeldvd.com/Articles/VideoArtefacts/VideoArtefactsGibbsEffect.html
rwguinn
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I cant help but wonder why Max doesn't post the "NIST NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C photos" himself, pointing out those shock tubes himself...
Max Photon
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Max, why focus like a laser on lasers? That doesn't seem - you know - very bright.
Hi,
First, do you go by Greg or Gregory?
Also, I don't know if you noticed, by I added your excellent mechanism for how the columns were separated at the welds to the list.
Why focus on lasers?
I'm not beholden to them. (I'm not beholden to anything.)
But in my research I have been pondering the opposing spirals of controlled demolition and military deception (MILDEC).
A primary goal of MILDEC is to cloak the sponsor, at the expense of the operation. (This is a huge constraint that good old Maxwell C. has been smart enough to exploit...mercilessly.)
My line of thinking about the opposing spirals or processes predicts that the NIST narrative was pre-engineered - pre-scripted - with the demolition plan, exactly as any great painter would design positive and negative space simultaneously, for after all, what is 911 but painting portrait with noise?
The NIST Reports say, "NIST found no evidence of controlled-demolition due to explosives..."
MAX-MIHOP says the NIST Reports tell the truth, albeit the ambiguated truth.
If NIST says NO EXPLOSIVES, then there were no explosives.
So this is part of what leads me to look for non-explosive-based controlled-demolition tools and mechanisms.
Here is my list:
The above thermite-based controlled-demolition toolkit worked like a charm, and - AND! - NIST is not lying!
NO EXPLOSIVES!
(Just lasers. Lots and lots of lasers.)
MAXER 5000C
P.S. I suspect MILDEC's game theory showed electronic ignition was too detectable or traceable.
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Hi,
First, do you go by Greg or Gregory?
Also, I don't know if you noticed, by I added your excellent mechanism for how the columns were separated at the welds to the list.
Why focus on lasers?
I'm not beholden to them. (I'm not beholden to anything.)
But in my research I have been pondering the opposing spirals of controlled demolition and military deception (MILDEC).
A primary goal of MILDEC is to cloak the sponsor, at the expense of the operation. (This is a huge constraint that good old Maxwell C. has been smart enough to exploit...mercilessly.)
My line of thinking about the opposing spirals or processes predicts that the NIST narrative was pre-engineered - pre-scripted - with the demolition plan, exactly as any great painter would design positive and negative space simultaneously, for after all, what is 911 but painting portrait with noise?
The NIST Reports say, "NIST found no evidence of controlled-demolition due to explosives..."
MAX-MIHOP says the NIST Reports tell the truth, albeit the ambiguated truth.
If NIST says NO EXPLOSIVES, then there were no explosives.
So this is part of what leads me to look for non-explosive-based controlled-demolition tools and mechanisms.
Here is my list:
- Improvised thermite (used to create phreato-thermatic explosions)
- Planted thermite (used to heat-weaken steel splices and connections, and create the illusion of migrating fires)
- Thermite-dusted shock-tube (used to link and ignite the planted thermite)
- Lasers (used to ignite the thermite-dusted shock-tube)
The above thermite-based controlled-demolition toolkit worked like a charm, and - AND! - NIST is not lying!
NO EXPLOSIVES!
(Just lasers. Lots and lots of lasers.)
MAXER 5000C
P.S. I suspect MILDEC's game theory showed electronic ignition was too detectable or traceable.
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BenBurch
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Max, I don't see in that what you see. The things you describe are simply not there. You are hallucinating.
uruk
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Max there is no way in hell you can detect something as thin as a pencil in that heavily compressed video. The pixels are too big.
It seems more like a case of wishfull thinking/pareidolia on your part.