How were WTC core columns separated at the weld planes?

[ferd burfle]

The thermite-dusted shock-tube I envision...* * *

(Bolding and ellipsis mine)

Thank you, Max

Ferd

 

[uruk]

Well, if we only address WTC2's perimeter box columns for the moment, I'd guess - from reading NIST NCSTAR 1-5A/9/C - that thermite was planted in a four or five floor band, at the impact floors, around the south, east, and north faces.

Note that column splices are about 2/3 up a window, and column splices occur vertically every four floors.

It seems demolition planners spread out the planted thermite in this band to get to the 1/2-column critical point (Bazant & Zhou).

The thermite was also arranged, and ignited in a choreographed manner, to create the illusion of fires migrating across impact floors, doing the weakening that the thermite was actually doing (and creating the fires!).


Max


P.S. Is the world prepared - I mean really, seriously - is the world prepared for Max Photons?

(I hope so.)

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So you are saying that the thermite was planted only in the area where the plane impacted?

Does this mean that you are saying that the pilots had to know in advance what floors to hit?

So were the planes piloted by someone or remote controlled?

How did the planners know that enough of the thermite and tubes would survive the impact?\


P.S. Oh yea. Do you know how many Watts of laser energy it takes to ignite thermite dust in a tube?

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Nooooo, not every connection.


For example, to get the towers moving, some of the fellas figured out - what were those sissies babbling about...ahhhh...oh yeah - that if about one half of the perimeter columns on the impact floors experienced...limpification...that the towers were doomed...DOOMED I tell you!


60 columns per side

times 4 sides (Everyone's all, "Hey, I knew that one!")

divided by 2 (to match Bazant and Zhou)

equals 120 columns' bolt-access-holes.


My nephew Flashlight could do it.


Max


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So, your laser has to simultaneously hit 120 bolt access holes.

How do you plan to split the beam 120 times? How will you maintain all of these beams on target?

What power levels are required to ignite the "shock tubes"?

 

[Apollo20]

Uruk:

The research I mentioned on the laser ignition of thermites was carried out by J. Granier and M. Pantoya at Texas Tech University and used samples pressed into cylindrical pellets 4.4 mm in diameter and length. Ignition was by a 50 Watt CO2 laser operated in CW mode with a 4 mm Gaussian beam intensity profile and with a maximum power density of ~ 100 W/cm^2. Ignition times were generally less than 100 milliseconds for thermites made with Al particles less than 1 micron in diameter.

 

[Max Photon]

Lasers ignited thermite-dusted shock-tube, which ignited planted thermite

So, your laser has to simultaneously hit 120 bolt access holes.

How do you plan to split the beam 120 times? How will you maintain all of these beams on target?

What power levels are required to ignite the "shock tubes"?

You're lost.


The planted thermite was linked together and ignited by thermite-dusted shock-tube.

The lasers lit the thermite-dusted shock-tube, which in turn ignited the planted thermite in box columns and other connections.

The lasers did not ignite the thermite in box columns directly. (That's silly.)


Max

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[Mr. Skinny]

You're lost.


The planted thermite was linked together and ignited by thermite-dusted shock-tube.

The lasers lit the thermite-dusted shock-tube, which in turn ignited the planted thermite in box columns and other connections.

The lasers did not ignite the thermite in box columns directly. (That's silly.)


Max

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You're right. I am lost.

So, the laser ignites a single shock tube which then causes a thermal (fuse?) or electrical initiation of all of the thermite? Is that correct?

 

[beachnut]

Uruk:

The research I mentioned on the laser ignition of thermites was carried out by J. Granier and M. Pantoya at Texas Tech University and used samples pressed into cylindrical pellets 4.4 mm in diameter and length. Ignition was by a 50 Watt CO2 laser operated in CW mode with a 4 mm Gaussian beam intensity profile and with a maximum power density of ~ 100 W/cm^2. Ignition times were generally less than 100 milliseconds for thermites made with Al particles less than 1 micron in diameter.

And of course there is evidence to tie this to some group that these device were used on 9/11. I can not wait for this information here at the Conspiracy Theories sub forum. So who set them up, and how were they controlled? Is this why MaxPhoton published the photo of the Control book? This could beat Pete Maybeck's Stochastic estimation and control class. wowie

 

[Max Photon]

Just light the thermite-dusted shock-tube with a laser, and wow your friends!

You're right. I am lost.

So, the laser ignites a single shock tube which then causes a thermal (fuse?) or electrical initiation of all of the thermite? Is that correct?

Yes, but you are trying, which counts.


The laser (or lasers) ignited multiple (ends of) branches of thermite-dusted shock-tube.

Each thermite-dusted shock-tube ignited then transmitted thermite sparks to planted thermite.

But note that the planted thermite can then be used to ignite other shock-tube out-lines (to other planted thermite).

To repeat, thermite-dusted shock-tube linked together - and ignited - planted thermite.


Note that there is:

• NO electrical ignition
• NO high-explosive detonators
• NO magnesium strips
• NO potassium permanganate plus glycerin

In some ways, the thermite-dusted shock-tube is like using a thermite-based sparkler to ignite the thermite.


Hope this helps!

Max

P.S. You guys are going to die when you let in how simple (and correct) all of this really is.

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[uruk]

Uruk:

The research I mentioned on the laser ignition of thermites was carried out by J. Granier and M. Pantoya at Texas Tech University and used samples pressed into cylindrical pellets 4.4 mm in diameter and length. Ignition was by a 50 Watt CO2 laser operated in CW mode with a 4 mm Gaussian beam intensity profile and with a maximum power density of ~ 100 W/cm^2. Ignition times were generally less than 100 milliseconds for thermites made with Al particles less than 1 micron in diameter.

Thanks for answering!

Interesting. But those pellets are pretty small.
In refrence to Max's hypothesis. Could pellets that small be used to ignite the necessary amount of thermite required to heat up the amount of steel to the required temperatures?

A 50 watt CO2 laser system isn't someting you could strap on the back of a sharpshooter on top of a building. And could the beam deliver the necessary energy to a target from the distances between buildings (i.e. divergence, particulates). Then there's also the question of firing through smoke and obstructions.

I understand that you could scale up the situation. but a bigger laser and targeting system would be a hinderance that would not be easily solvable.

Could Max's thermite "dusted" tubes provide the neccessary heat for the necessary time to ignite the amount of thermite needed to heat that amount of steel to failure? (of course we don't have an example of the type of tubes Max is talking about.)

 

[uruk]

You're lost.


The planted thermite was linked together and ignited by thermite-dusted shock-tube.

The lasers lit the thermite-dusted shock-tube, which in turn ignited the planted thermite in box columns and other connections.

The lasers did not ignite the thermite in box columns directly. (That's silly.)


Max

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Since you suggested that the tubes and thermite was place within a specific section of the building, namely the floors where the plane impacted. How could the planners be so sure something as reltively chaotic as a plane crash would not destroy or displace the tubes and target ends?

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Yes, but you are trying, which counts.


The laser (or lasers) ignited multiple (ends of) branches of thermite-dusted shock-tube.

Each thermite-dusted shock-tube ignited then transmitted thermite sparks to planted thermite.

But note that the planted thermite can then be used to ignite other shock-tube out-lines (to other planted thermite).

To repeat, thermite-dusted shock-tube linked together - and ignited - planted thermite.


Note that there is:

• NO electrical ignition
• NO high-explosive detonators
• NO magnesium strips
• NO potassium permanganate plus glycerin

In some ways, the thermite-dusted shock-tube is like using a thermite-based sparkler to ignite the thermite.


Hope this helps!

Max

P.S. You guys are going to die when you let in how simple (and correct) all of this really is.

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Thanks, Max.

I'd still like to know how many ignition points there are. Multiple doesn't help me much.

It's possible I'll die when you show me how simple it is, but for now you're being rather stingy with the details.

I'd still like to know how many lasers are targeting how many shock tubes; what type and power the lasers are, etc.

Are we ever going to get to the details? Come on, Max - throw me a bone here...

 

[Max Photon]

Max Photon - mustering the patience expected of 911-God - give his white paper.

Uruk:

The research I mentioned on the laser ignition of thermites was carried out by J. Granier and M. Pantoya at Texas Tech University and used samples pressed into cylindrical pellets 4.4 mm in diameter and length. Ignition was by a 50 Watt CO2 laser operated in CW mode with a 4 mm Gaussian beam intensity profile and with a maximum power density of ~ 100 W/cm^2. Ignition times were generally less than 100 milliseconds for thermites made with Al particles less than 1 micron in diameter.

And that stuff is just a pile of junk.

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Drs. Res,

You keep droning on - rather like a drone - that 911-God must be incorrect, because, well, lasers aren't white.

(Patience Max...patience.....)


The white flashes seen in this video (along the NE or left edges of both towers) are from the combustion of the aluminum in the thermite-dusted shock-tube.


- - -

Mr. Skinny,

You can count the number of white flashes in the above video, and start getting a sense of the number of thermite-dusted shock-tube branches that were ignited by laser.


Max

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[Mr. Skinny]

And that stuff is just a pile of junk.

- - -

Drs. Res,

You keep droning on - rather like a drone - that 911-God must be incorrect, because, well, lasers aren't white.

(Patience Max...patience.....)


The white flashes seen in this video (along the NE or left edges of both towers) are from the combustion of the aluminum in the thermite-dusted shock-tube.


- - -

Mr. Skinny,

You can count the number of white flashes in the above video, and start getting a sense of the number of thermite-dusted shock-tube branches that were ignited by laser.


Max

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I'm on a dial up connection, Max, and so videos are right out.

Can't you just tell me? Pretty please?

 

[uruk]

{snip}
The white flashes seen in this video (along the NE or left edges of both towers) are from the combustion of the aluminum in the thermite-dusted shock-tube.


- - -

Mr. Skinny,

You can count the number of white flashes in the above video, and start getting a sense of the number of thermite-dusted shock-tube branches that were ignited by laser.


Max

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I hate to tell you this Max, but those flashes along the edge of the building are MPEG compression artifacting. They are happening along the high contrast edge of the building.
If you look closely at the video in full screen mode you will see pixels poping and shift in in other areas around image, especialy in areas Where there are vertical lines.

Take particular notice 40 seconds onto the video during the long shot. If you look at the smaller building with the pointed steeple near the center of the screen you will see alot of pixel error dancing in the vertical lines where the windows are.

You also suggested in a previous post to me that the thermite was only planted in the region near the impact. In the full screen version you can see the pixel artifacting (or flashes) going along the whole length of the visible edge in the medium shots. Particularly around 23 seconds into the video.

 

[Max Photon]

Max counts roughly 34 white flashes at WTC2's exit explosion site

I'm on a dial up connection, Max, and so videos are right out.

Can't you just tell me? Pretty please?

Mr. Skinny,

I used Virtualdub to break the video into a sequence of images.

In the first sequence, we see the north faces of both towers.

A few seconds before 175 comes into view from the south (right, on the screen), white flashes appear in the east-most window column (259) of the north face.

The flashes are concentrated exactly where the exit explosion will soon emerge.

I counted (quickly and roughly) 34 white flashes.


Please remember, this is also where the metal flows were observed, and where collapse initiated, so it's kind of like - you know - an important area of the tower to investigate.


What is fascinating, and a real toughie for the "compression artifacts" or "reflected light" simpletonians, is that while these flashes are happening at WTC2, there are identical flashes concentrated at the impact floors of WTC1!

For the...special...among us, this is called hiding demolition work behind peak emotional moments, a military-deception (MILDEC) specialty.


You really should see the video if you can.

It's humbling. Very humbling.


Max

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[Mr. Skinny]

Thank you, Max.

Unfortunately, I can't watch the video at work either, as YouTube, etc. are blocked.


So, for now, you estimate 34 areas were targeted with the laser or lasers then?

Max, can you estimate the approximate dimensions of a "thermite dusted shock tube"?

Also, can you (or someone else) tell me the distance between WTC7 and WTC1 and WTC2, respectively?

 

[uruk]

{snip}
What is fascinating, and a real toughie for the "compression artifacts" or "reflected light" simpletonians, is that while these flashes are happening at WTC2, there are identical flashes concentrated at the impact floors of WTC1!
{snip}

MPEG compression artifacting also happens in areas where there is the most motion. The impact floors had the most motion with all the explosions and smoke. Not to mention the reflection of the person taking the video in the window he/she is shooting through.

What I'd like to see is if the flashes are there on the original video tape.

 

[Max Photon]

Okay class, take out your paper and thermite-dusted shock-tube, and start drawing.

Max, can you estimate the approximate dimensions of a "thermite dusted shock tube"?

The thickness of a pencil.


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[BenBurch]

A Challenge

Max I will make you a wager. If you can hit and ignite a thermite pile or shock tube at a range of 150 meters through two pieces of heat-rejecting office building glass set at highly oblique angles (one at each end of the beam) and where the target is moving randomly within a several inch range in a demonstration, with a 50 watt CO2 laser, I will buy you a nice gift package from Omaha Steaks.

What about it?

You up for it?

 

[pomeroo]

Max I will make you a wager. If you can hit and ignite a thermite pile or shock tube at a range of 150 meters through two pieces of heat-rejecting office building glass set at highly oblique angles (one at each end of the beam) and where the target is moving randomly within a several inch range in a demonstration, with a 50 watt CO2 laser, I will buy you a nice gift package from Omaha Steaks.

What about it?

You up for it?

No, he isn't.