How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[jaydeehess]

The Shanksville crater/scar was already there previously in 1994. My guess is it confused the sensors of one of the air to air missiles fired at Flight 93 thinking it is the shape of a plane. I don't think Flight 93 crashed in that crater the way it was described.

Now that's funny,i don't care who ya are. - "Larry the Cable Guy"

Yeah air to air missiles use shape recognition for target recognition and its so loose that any linear object with a bulge in the middle is considered an enemy aircraft.
You posted that to make people laugh right? Comic relief?

 

[dafydd]

You posted that to make people laugh right? Comic relief?

It certainly had that effect.

 

[jaydeehess]

It certainly had that effect.

yep
oh , I forgot to include the hilarious notion that an air to air missile is looking for the rearward view of aircraft on the ground - hah

 

[dafydd]

yep
oh , I forgot to include the hilarious notion that an air to air missile is looking for the rearward view of aircraft on the ground - hah

Twoofers always get things bassackward.

 

[yankee451]

The Shanksville crater/scar was already there previously in 1994. My guess is it confused the sensors of one of the air to air missiles fired at Flight 93 thinking it is the shape of a plane. I don't think Flight 93 crashed in that crater the way it was described.

Honestly. Let's move past this right now, shall we?

 

[yankee451]

The whole 'different scar' thing has been regurgitated on Icke's front page apparently.

Yeah, that old chestnut rises to the top every so often. It's a testament to the power of rumor.

 

[jaydeehess]

Yeah, that old chestnut rises to the top every so often. It's a testament to the power of rumor.

yeah, and what we are discussing here is more a testament to the power of imagination

 

[NoahFence]

The plane parts were not visible from the air. The small white pieces in the woods could well be JASSM parts, as could the debris in the crater. The rest of the jet was buried and had to be unearthed far from the eyes of the media. They only show a couple images of clearly planted debris, but no video and no wide-angle shots for perspective.

You'll have to do better than that. If anyone needs some math, it's you guys.

Do you think their size may have anything to do with that?? The higher you get the harder it is to see after all.

OH MY GOD THEY KILLED THE ENTIRE CITY OF NEW YORK!!!!

I CAN'T SEE IT SO IT MUST NOT BE THERE!!! Damn NWO.

 

[FFed]

So can your magic missiles fly through trees? How can one of your missiles make a trench so close to the trees coming in at a 10 degree angle, and not go through the trees?

 

[yankee451]

So can your magic missiles fly through trees? How can one of your missiles make a trench so close to the trees coming in at a 10 degree angle, and not go through the trees?

Speaking of trees, what blew off the tops of these trees if the rest of the jet disappeared into the ground? Missile detonated in the air, or shrapnel from the cockpit?

The engineer is working on verifying the trajectory and crater size, once we're sure it's a match, we can deal with the trees. I'm not sure the trees would be an issue once the missile was it was at terminal velocity, but we'll wait to cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[yankee451]

yeah, and what we are discussing here is more a testament to the power of imagination

If you could prove me wrong, you'd probably try.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Speaking of trees, what blew off the tops of these trees if the rest of the jet disappeared into the ground? Missile detonated in the air, or shrapnel from the cockpit?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Topped-Trees.png[/qimg]

The engineer is working on verifying the trajectory and crater size, once we're sure it's a match, we can deal with the trees. I'm not sure the trees would be an issue once the missile was it was at terminal velocity, but we'll wait to cross that bridge when we come to it.

May I ask if you have ever flown ANYTHING? A light plane, a hang glider, an RC model? Have you ever ridden in anything flying?

 

[LSSBB]

Speaking of trees, what blew off the tops of these trees if the rest of the jet disappeared into the ground? Missile detonated in the air, or shrapnel from the cockpit?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Topped-Trees.png[/qimg]

The engineer is working on verifying the trajectory and crater size, once we're sure it's a match, we can deal with the trees. I'm not sure the trees would be an issue once the missile was it was at terminal velocity, but we'll wait to cross that bridge when we come to it.

Ok, so show how many trees your missile would hit to make a 10 degree shallow approach and NOT JUST CRASH.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

But think of the money they saved in not having to feed the passengers.

Yes, the saving would mainly be in catering.

Though it'll probably be more expensive to cater for an entire cleanup crew to recover the missile parts and dressup crew to transport and plant the DNA and 757 wreckage.

Because of course we do still have to crash a 757.

The first question people will ask when we say a 757 crashed there is "well, where's the wreckage?". So we'll have to be able to say "it's in that massive hole over there".

Since we still have to crash a 757 anyway, I was just wondering, would it not be cheaper just to pop to Shanksville and crash a 757 there? Fake the crash at the real crash site?

[/Mitchell and Webb]

 

[Natan]

Yeah air to air missiles use shape recognition for target recognition and its so loose that any linear object with a bulge in the middle is considered an enemy aircraft.

They've been known to mistake a toilet fan for a jet engine compressor face...

 

[Mark F]

While it is my personal opinion this conversation transitioned to an utterly pointless waste of time by about page 2 (if not sooner) I couldn't resist Yankee's "JASSM wreckage" post.

JASSM Missile
http://www.tonyrogers.com/images/weapons/jassm_01_800px.jpg
http://www.airpower.at/news02/1103_eu-missiles/taurus.gif

JASSM Missile attack profile
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/cruise-missiles/jassm.jpg
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4fe05cf2ecad04f412000014/jassm-missile.jpg
http://www.eglin.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/090924-F-0000B-001.jpg
http://images.pennnet.com/articles/mae/thm/th_incoming 04.jpg

JASSM Missile parts (apparently)
http://stj911.org/evidence/docs/P200061_1.jpg
http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/united93/planepart1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Flight93Engine.jpg/220px-Flight93Engine.jpg
http://mishalov.com/flight93-voice-recorder.jpg

Who knew bunker-busting missiles came with Cockpit Voice Recorders.

Again, why anyone persists in this clearly pointless excercise boggles the mind.

 

[yankee451]

May I ask if you have ever flown ANYTHING? A light plane, a hang glider, an RC model? Have you ever ridden in anything flying?

Your question is irrelevant but yes, I grew up in the Alaska bush and have even taken unofficial flight lessons, as did most kids who had friends with bush planes.

My ballistics experience is limited to being raised with guns and selling fireworks for many years, during which time I experimented with model rocketry and explosives, both legal and illegal. I could recreate a smaller version of the Shanksville crater with couple bottle rockets. Anyone who has ever fired a gun at the ground at a glancing angle would recognize that gash, and even this description is better than a jet crash.

I don't care what my background is. Had I stolen this idea from someone else, I am still only the messenger. If my hypothesis is incorrect, tell me where.

If it's the trees that you have a problem with, you might want to research the capabilities of the missiles first. I'm not sure the trees would be a problem on it's terminal dive, but I really don't know. So far I'm only focusing on the crater.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If it's the trees that you have a problem with, you might want to research the capabilities of the missiles first. I'm not sure the trees would be a problem on it's terminal dive, but I really don't know. So far I'm only focusing on the crater.

Your magic missile might be capable of demolishing entire forests in its single minded pursuit of its target, but that's not the point. The real question is: is it able to scythe through a stand of trees, dig a 50 ft trench, explode and then magically put back the line of trees it just destroyed?

Is that capability hidden in the spec somewhere?

 

[beachnut]

Kristin Gould White prove 451 has False Fantasy

Your question is irrelevant but yes, I grew up in the Alaska bush and have even taken unofficial flight lessons, as did most kids who had friends with bush planes.

My ballistics experience is limited to being raised with guns and selling fireworks for many years, during which time I experimented with model rocketry and explosives, both legal and illegal. I could recreate a smaller version of the Shanksville crater with couple bottle rockets. Anyone who has ever fired a gun at the ground at a glancing angle would recognize that gash, and even this description is better than a jet crash.

I don't care what my background is. Had I stolen this idea from someone else, I am still only the messenger. If my hypothesis is incorrect, tell me where.

If it's the trees that you have a problem with, you might want to research the capabilities of the missiles first. I'm not sure the trees would be a problem on it's terminal dive, but I really don't know. So far I'm only focusing on the crater.

Wow, you are focusing on the crater; wow, ignore the DNA, ignore the FDR, CVR, FAA tapes, RADAR tape, ignore physics, and reality. good one

Why do you lie and spread fantasy? How could you steal this idea, it so stupid all of the crazy 911 truth sites ban your nonsense. It is bad when nuts on 911 ban your idiotic fantasy. Irony.

It is so silly and stupid, it is all wrong. Everything you have made up is wrong.

Why are you wrong.

Kristin Gould White, found in the crater, murdered by the terrorists you apologize for by making up an insane fantasy of missiles.

Here is what she said about your problems on physics and reality in general?

Sins are sins, Kristin Gould White believed, but ignorance and boredom were two of the most egregious.

You don't care if you lie about 911. In fact, you are so far into fantasy role playing claptrap, you have no clue that spreading fantasy of missiles is a lie. As you call evidence, a wall of text, explaining you don't do book learning, you don't do a wall of text.

All you will do now is project your foaming in the mouth routine, and spew more malarkey about your failed insane fantasy.

http://old.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93gouldwhitebiop8.asp

Kristin Gould White, murder on 911; DNA found at Flight 93 Crash Site.
You are debunked again.

Kristin Gould White, survived by her Daughter, Allison Vadhan.
She was on her way to visit friends in California

Yankee451, are you going to inform her family she did not die in your fantasy? Have told your brother and sister she is not dead? Mom and dad? Grandkids? What does the wife think of your fantasy?

Well are you Yankee451?

 

[NoahFence]

Steveo..... Where did new York go? I can't see it in my pic?!!