How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

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OK, the damage is consistent with missile impacts. It's also consistent with the impact of an aircraft. So lets sift through the evidence:

1) Missile impact evidence:
  • Big crater

2) Aircraft Impact
  • Big Crater
  • DNA from passengers coincides with passenger manifest
  • Aircraft Parts
  • Eyewitnesses
  • The Freaking Black Boxes!!

Now, if this was a single event you might be able to fool 3 or 4 more people into believing this claptrap. However, it wasn't. Millions of people were eyewitnesses to this event.

Millions. In layman's terms, that's a :rule10:load of people. So, we have a known plane crash in DC, 2 in NYC and just by sheer coincidence, that was the same day the NWO decided to shoot a missile at what - a cow in the middle of a farm?

Gotcha.

Good way to put it. I predict further name calling and condescension in reply.
 
This video demonstrates how crusie missiles striking at trajectories of less than ten degrees from horizontal caused the gash at Shanksville.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQTNy6Jb26A&feature=player_embedded

In the below screenshot from Google Earth, the dotted red line roughly matches Susan McElwain's location and her description of the direction of travel of the “small white plane”, with that of the left side of the gash. I believe the left side of the gash would have struck first, and would not have detonated. These missiles can be used as “aerostable slugs”, which I interpret as “they don’t need to detonate”. Obviously if as I show in the video, two missiles impacted from opposite directions, only one of them would need to detonate, else there would be competing craters. So if I was a jet-jockey I’d put the first gash down, burying the 900 lb warhead in the ground, and then I’d target the next one at an opposite angle from the first, detonating a split second later to create the crater in the center. This was well-practiced, for sure.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/path-of-the-missil-with-inset1.2.png[/qimg]

As for the burned trees, I speculate they actually launched at least three JASSMs, but that the first one struck a tree and went off course, and was remotely self-destructed to cover up their tracks, as military commonly do with misfiring or downed technology to prevent it getting into the wrong hands. Note the images below – see how one tree is snapped lengthwise? Something struck it from the other side, splitting it right down the middle – this could explain the burned woods; their first attempt hit a tree and detonated, splitting the tree and setting fire to the woods.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/split-tree.png[/qimg]

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/gallery3-2.jpg[/qimg]

http://yankee451.com/2012/09/11/shanksville-crocodile-tears-for-the-fictional-dead/

How many g was that JASSM pulling to make that red line turn?
 
The engine that powers the JASSM is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledyne_CAE_J402. That engine has a maximum diameter of 32cm (0.32m) and only has a single stage HPT. It's tiny.

The turbine stage in the picture with the digger is bigger than 32cm and more than one stage.

But then I guess that large and very heavy section of turbine was planted along with all the other B757-222 wreckage and body parts etc.
 
I love how the absence of evidence of missile impact is the proof of missile impact, against the evidence of aircraft parts and impact crater consistent with a plane impacting at a high angle...
 
Interesting story, however unlike you I have supplied evidence to support my conclusion. If the Shanksville crater is more consistent with a jet crash than two cruise missiles striking in crossfire, now's the time to make your case.

In all of my years in the Air Force, I never seen, practiced, or heard of this maneuver.
 
Unlike them I offered reasons why it can be better explained by missiles.

Can you explain the plentiful remains of human bodies and commercial airliner scattered around the site?
 
I explained how the damage is consistent with missile impacts at 10 degree trajectories.

In the terrain around the crash site, a 10 deg missile shot would be almost an impossible shot for the missile to hit at the crash site.
 
If Flight 93 didn't crash into the field, where is it now?
Where are the passengers and crew?
Where did it go after it took off and where did it land?
 
Yeah, that was pretty hilarious!

claim: the "plane" disappeared, in fact it was the cruise missile.
response: the plane disappeared?
claim: yeah, here are the plane parts!

Fantastic!

Clearly that is a hubcap off of an old Impala or something and not an airplane engine...

:D
 
I love how the absence of evidence of missile impact is the proof of missile impact, against the evidence of aircraft parts and impact crater consistent with a plane impacting at a high angle...

These conspirators were realllllly good, and evil! :boxedin:
 
yankee451,

it seems that you came to a conclusion on this matter before looking at any evidence. Then you decided that any evidence out there that supported your conclusion (no matter what the source) was good, and any evidence that did not support your conclusion was bad.

Why not research first conclusion second?

Ranb
 
I just find it absolutely amazing, that someone can think up a scenario out of no where, and then fight so avidly that the scenario is the correct and only possibility. A scenario that he literally came up with on his own, and no matter what, he believes thats the only possibility. How arrogant and absolutely self absorbed do you have do be?
 
LOL I don't believe it. Just when I bring up your failed missile theory over on your other failed thread, you bring it all here.

I'm not done with the missile thread, I'm currently distracted. Who are you anyway? If I knew what you were talking about, maybe I'd care.


10 degree angles would bounce off the ground and skim along the dirt like a flat rock on water.

On what do you base this assumption? Meteorites don’t do that in the moon’s atmosphere, why would you think missiles with penetrating warheads would in earth’s atmosphere? On the one hand a jet disappears, but on the other a missile bounces off?

You claim a missile could do that damage, but provide no evidence or calculations. Because you are wrong. No missile (or 3 missiles [LOL]) could do the damage seen. The only possible explanation is UA93;

I'm not done yet, but you'll be the first to know when I am. Until then, the missile warheads weigh 900 lbs and measure 12x60 inches. You crunch the numbers to prove I'm wrong and I'll crunch the numbers to prove I'm right and we can compare notes.

Reverse science, the only thing you can do. You sat there dreaming up the idea of missiles,

No, I looked long and hard at the damage and ticked off the list of possibilities until I arrived at the only one that fits all the evidence. It is still in its infancy but shouldn't be too difficult to prove or disprove with "Craters Producebdy Missile Impacts"
It. J. Moo•
U.S. Geological Survey
Menlo Park, California 94025

and then once you had smoked enough weed, you realised you could create an untestable hypothesis but claiming one thing and throwing all evidence out the door.

It's a projection extravaganza at JREF!

Missile hit the tree.. lol dude come on!

Something split the tree and set fire to the woods and considering the trajectory of one eyewitness account, and considering the odd location of the burned woods in relation to the alleged crash site, it makes more sense than the trees being set afire by a cockpit as described by Wally Miller:

When flight 93 hit the ground, the cockpit and first-class cabin broke off, scattered into millions of fragments that spread and flew like shrapnel into and through the trees 20 metres away.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/09/09/1031115990570.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fsJ0EFezBW4

UA93 crashed in shanksville. It was spotted by aircraft 'rolling' its wings just before impact. It was tracked on RADAR. DNA proves it crashed there.

The military that launched the missiles and the media that broadcast cartoon airplanes doing the impossible on national T.V. can surely spot anything they want on Radar and say they found DNA.


I guess missiles were responsible for the impact crater of Valujet Flight 592;

[qimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a91ce7c20e80.jpg[/qimg]

It’s a swamp.

And PSA Flight 1771;

[qimg]http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o233/CameronFox/flight1771.jpg[/qimg]

Flight 1771 is similar except for the debris field and the crater – the debris is visible even with the poor video quality, but not with flight 93. In this video it is unclear what the shape of the crater is, but it doesn’t look like the “wing scar” we see on flight 93. At 24:53 they state:
“When the aircraft hit at such a high speed it impacted and basically compressed the earth, and then it released, and it blew it back out of the hole”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nehx-FOCunU

and was traveling at an approximately 70-degree angle toward the south. The plane struck a rocky hillside, leaving a crater less than 2 feet deep and 4 feet across, presumably where the landing gear struck the ground. The high-speed impact compressed the soil, which almost immediately rebounded, throwing fragments and paper (including the note by Burke) back into the air, before flames consumed them. No one survived the crash; the force of impact meant that human remains were very small, the largest being feet in shoes. The remains of 27 passengers were never identified.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771

It was going much faster and at a steeper angle than flight 93 but didn’t leave a “wing gash” but a ‘two by four foot crater” was presumably left by the landing gear.

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Compare to Fl. 93 - wing gash and no debris:

flight-93-crash-site.jpg


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo1BFV7MHzM

“In fact, one of the planes, a Fairchild Falcon 20 business jet, was directed to the crash site to help rescuers. The request for the jet to fly low and obtain the coordinates for the crash explains reports by people in the vicinity who said a white or silver jet flew by moments after the crash.
"There was a hole in the ground -- that was it," said Yates Caldwell, the pilot who was at the controls of the 10-passenger corporate jet for Greensboro, N.C.-based apparel maker VF Corp. "There was no way to know what it was .... I didn't know there had been a crash until I landed, until I was on the ground in Johnstown."

So we have no visible debris field but the authorities insist the deeper they dug, the more jet they found.

In this article they say the ground was “soft”, but I don’t know how soft the ground can be to engulf a plane, but that’s the claim:

THE DEBRIS FIELD. The reclaimed mine where the plane crashed is composed of very soft soil, and searchers say much of the wreckage was found buried 20-25 feet below the large crater. But despite that, there was also widely scattered debris in the immediate vicinity and further afield. Considerable debris washed up more than two miles away at Indian Lake, and a canceled check and brokerage statement from the plane was found in a deep valley some eight miles away that week.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011119...ntent/daily_news/2001/11/18/local/SHOT15C.htm

The voice recorder would have picked up the last 30 minutes of conversation in the cockpit, unless the hijackers turned it off or it was too severely damaged in the crash. It was found around 8:25 p.m. Thursday, 25 feet below the ground in the crater gouged out by the doomed jet. It appeared to be in good condition.
http://old.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010916otherjetnat5p5.asp

And they say the deeper they went, the larger the pieces they found:

“The area surrounding the impact was barely recognizable as a crash site in the first day or two after the attack. Yesterday, the impact crater was flanked by mounds of excavated dirt and heavy equipment. As clouds gathered, workers draped the new hills of dirt in blue and yellow tarps as protection against the threat of rain.
FBI spokesman William Crowley said that rain would not halt operations but could complicate tasks such as sifting the material removed from the crater.
The excavated area within the wedge-shaped crater is now some 30 feet deep, and Crowley said investigators did not plan to go much deeper”
http://old.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010919crashscene0919p2.asp


and Caspian Airlines Flight 7908;

[qimg]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/WORLD/meast/07/15/iran.plane.crash/art.iran.crater.afp.gi.jpg[/qimg]
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Crater? Yes. Wedge-shaped? No. Debris? Yes.

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http://www.aljazeera.com/photo_galleries/middleeast/200971514582239231.html

Unlike flight 93, the debris field of 7908 is visible over a wide area:
Caspian-7908.png



[You're wrong Yankee, on all 4 crashes of that day. Missiles in place of aircraft. lol how absolutely ridiculous. God dam it no planers are morons.


So unlike these crashes, Shanksville’s missing debris, strange crater and conflicting eye witness reports make it difficult to believe any jetliner was involved at all, wheres jet-launched missiles do fit all the evidence.

"I know of two people - I will not mention names - that heard a missile," Stuhl said. "They both live very close, within a couple of hundred yards. . .This one fellow's served in Vietnam and he says he's heard them, and he heard one that day." The mayor adds that based on what he knows about that morning, military F-16 fighter jets were "very, very close."

LOCATION OF F-16S. From Day 1, the government has given conflicting accounts about the exact whereabouts of three North Dakota Air National Guard F-16s, assigned to national air defense, based at Langley Air Force base in Virginia and scrambled at the height of the attacks.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011119...ntent/daily_news/2001/11/18/local/SHOT15C.htm
 
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I just find it absolutely amazing, that someone can think up a scenario out of no where, and then fight so avidly that the scenario is the correct and only possibility. A scenario that he literally came up with on his own, and no matter what, he believes thats the only possibility. How arrogant and absolutely self absorbed do you have do be?

The horror. Someone who dares to think for himself.
 
So who installed the software changes that would allow a fighter to recognise and launch a prototype JASSM or did they just use the aircraft that had been modified for the test program?
 
So who installed the software changes that would allow a fighter to recognise and launch a prototype JASSM or did they just use the aircraft that had been modified for the test program?

Probably the way that would require the fewest people to know.
 
Uh, what??

No Debris??? Yankee, the more you post, the willfully ignorance you appear. What am I saying, of course you are, you're a no planer.

You appear to have read only the last couple sentences. I'm hurt, that post took a lot of time. Or are you so desperate you are resorting to such desperate deeds?

You responded to this:

"So unlike these crashes, Shanksville’s missing debris,"

Which was directly after this sentence:

"Unlike flight 93, the debris field of 7908 is visible over a wide area", followed by the photograph I was referring to. I did not write "No Debris", and as can be seen below, I provide a couple examples of reports of the debris being buried deep in the ground:

So we have no visible debris field but the authorities insist the deeper they dug, the more jet they found.

In this article they say the ground was “soft”, but I don’t know how soft the ground can be to engulf a plane, but that’s the claim:


THE DEBRIS FIELD. The reclaimed mine where the plane crashed is composed of very soft soil, and searchers say much of the wreckage was found buried 20-25 feet below the large crater. But despite that, there was also widely scattered debris in the immediate vicinity and further afield. Considerable debris washed up more than two miles away at Indian Lake, and a canceled check and brokerage statement from the plane was found in a deep valley some eight miles away that week.
http://web.archive.org/web/200111190...al/SHOT15C.htm

The voice recorder would have picked up the last 30 minutes of conversation in the cockpit, unless the hijackers turned it off or it was too severely damaged in the crash. It was found around 8:25 p.m. Thursday, 25 feet below the ground in the crater gouged out by the doomed jet. It appeared to be in good condition.
http://old.post-gazette.com/headline...rjetnat5p5.asp

And they say the deeper they went, the larger the pieces they found:

“The area surrounding the impact was barely recognizable as a crash site in the first day or two after the attack. Yesterday, the impact crater was flanked by mounds of excavated dirt and heavy equipment. As clouds gathered, workers draped the new hills of dirt in blue and yellow tarps as protection against the threat of rain.
FBI spokesman William Crowley said that rain would not halt operations but could complicate tasks such as sifting the material removed from the crater.
The excavated area within the wedge-shaped crater is now some 30 feet deep, and Crowley said investigators did not plan to go much deeper”
http://old.post-gazette.com/headline...cene0919p2.asp

So you see, I am well aware of the Debris photos you were kind enough to post. You look ridiculous.
 
Uh, what??

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No Debris??? Yankee, the more you post, the willfully ignorance you appear. What am I saying, of course you are, you're a no planer.


So, what do you say Yankee? Seems like plenty of debris to me, spread over a wide area.
 
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