How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[beachnut]

Ohhh - here we have a self-proclaimed JREF intellectual demanding proof he knows will not be available in the public domain.

How about you use the evidence available to us all to support any single one of your convictions?

You don't have evidence? No wonder you were banned by your fellow no plane 911 truth can't figure out 911 people.


The impact angle was not 10 degees. You can't do math?

 

[yankee451]

That's ok, I saw the video, it doesn't provide any real evidence of anything other than a plane.

Be specific. If you can.

 

[NoahFence]

That's ok, I saw the video, it doesn't provide any real evidence of anything other than a plane.

So I'm right. I didn't see THAT video, but I've seen all the information contained...

 

[LSSBB]

Be specific. If you can.

I can't if you can't tell me what in the video is proof. I didn't see any. Where is the proof?

 

[Mudcat]

You don't have evidence? No wonder you were banned by your fellow no plane 911 truth can't figure out 911 people.


The impact angle was not 10 degees. You can't do math?

What was the impact angle by the way, my google-fu kept giving me results comparing the movies Shawsank Redemption to 9/11.

 

[yankee451]

I can't if you can't tell me what in the video is proof. I didn't see any. Where is the proof?

It's in the video. If you disagree with it, be specific.

I'd take a look at your proof if you had any.

 

[LSSBB]

Irony.

You see, if you haven't examined all the evidence, you can't claim "despite all evidence to the contrary". I guess that must have been a lesson in common sense they only teach in the school of hard knocks.

I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary that a plane hit the ground, and I've seen plenty of evidence. Been looking at this stuff for quite some time, you know.

I do know I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary from you, and yet you use it to put the blame for the events of 9/11 on the US government. Sounds like a bunch of.... faith to me.

 

[LSSBB]

It's in the video. If you disagree with it, be specific.

I'd take a look at your proof if you had any.

So to reinforce the point you show pictures of airplane parts? Where's your money trail for this grand conspiracy? Confessions? Video of the conspirators in action? Audio from recorders snuck into board rooms, ala Archer-Daniel Midlands? All hat and no cattle, is all I see.

 

[yankee451]

So I have an eyewitness to a cruise missile, NASA's figures for oblique meteorite impacts, circumstantial and photographic evidence to support the missile hypothesis.

I am waiting for anyone to contest the evidence or at least use the available evidence to support the conclusion the crater was caused by a jet crash.

 

[beachnut]

Irony.

You see, if you haven't examined all the evidence, you can't claim "despite all evidence to the contrary". I guess that must have been a lesson in common sense they only teach in the school of hard knocks.

Is that where you learned to ignore evidence, and use fantasy? Is that where you learned to make fun of the dead to push your own insane claims?

Flight 93 FDR was found in the crater.

Flight 93, the whole plane was found all over the area, ejected from the impact crater and buried in the impact crater, the last resting place for the passengers smashed by the impact at 487.5 knots.

You can't give any numbers, because you make up your lies out of hate, foaming at the mouth delusional BS. Flight 93 was tracked by RADAR, but you make up lies, because you are armed with common sense making you ignore reality and spin a lie.

Flight 93 impacted the ground at -41 degrees of pitch. It can be seen in the crater, and you can check the FDR found in the crater, it is what we do when we investigate a crash; we use science instead of Google and lies.

Flight 93 impacted at 487.5 knots; this is reality, you made up missiles not produced yet.

Flight 93 impacted at 142 degrees roll angle, almost upside down. Need help with this flying thing? lol

All the DNA was found for each person on flight 93. You failed this time because you don't use real evidence. Better luck next time.

You can seen the impact angle, is close to 41 degrees. The book answer is in the FDR, -41.1 degrees. BINGO - darn

All the debris is ejected on the course 93 was going.

Here is more evidence you will not want to see.

 

[Mudcat]

NASA's figures for oblique meteorite impacts.

Okay... What does that have to do with anything?

And as I pointed out, this isn't the first time in aviation history that aircraft crashed like this. Why is it that this particular air crash must be a missile strike?

 

[LSSBB]

So I have an eyewitness to a cruise missile, NASA's figures for oblique meteorite impacts, circumstantial and photographic evidence to support the missile hypothesis.

I am waiting for anyone to contest the evidence or at least use the available evidence to support the conclusion the crater was caused by a jet crash.

An (quantity 1) untrained eyewitness who can't provide the markings, drawing, or flightpath, and unspecified circumstantial evidence?

That's nothing, in my book.

ETA: By the way, the stuff I struck out isn't evidence of anything but a plane.

 

[yankee451]

Dear reader - these JREF jokers like to talk about "science" and "math" and they like to wave their credentials around like a bludgeon, but you can see by their responses they are afraid to address the evidence in support of my hypothesis.

I explained how the damage is consistent with missile impacts at 10 degree trajectories.

Their response is "nuh uh!"

 

[twinstead]

Dear reader - these JREF jokers like to talk about "science" and "math" and they like to wave their credentials around like a bludgeon, but you can see by their responses they are afraid to address the evidence in support of my hypothesis.

I explained how the damage is consistent with missile impacts at 10 degree trajectories.

Their response is "nuh uh!"

No, their response is "here is the evidence that a plane crashed. Where is your evidence is was missiles?". What the hell else do you want?

 

[yankee451]

No, their response is "here is the evidence that a plane crashed".

Unlike them I offered reasons why it can be better explained by missiles.

What the hell else do you want?

Intellectual honesty. From the readers.

 

[NoahFence]

Dear reader - these JREF jokers like to talk about "science" and "math" and they like to wave their credentials around like a bludgeon, but you can see by their responses they are afraid to address the evidence in support of my hypothesis.

I explained how the damage is consistent with missile impacts at 10 degree trajectories.

Their response is "nuh uh!"

OK, the damage is consistent with missile impacts. It's also consistent with the impact of an aircraft. So lets sift through the evidence:

1) Missile impact evidence:

• Big crater

2) Aircraft Impact

• Big Crater
• DNA from passengers coincides with passenger manifest
• Aircraft Parts
• Eyewitnesses
• The Freaking Black Boxes!!

Now, if this was a single event you might be able to fool 3 or 4 more people into believing this claptrap. However, it wasn't. Millions of people were eyewitnesses to this event.

Millions. In layman's terms, that's a :load of people. So, we have a known plane crash in DC, 2 in NYC and just by sheer coincidence, that was the same day the NWO decided to shoot a missile at what - a cow in the middle of a farm?

Gotcha.

 

[beachnut]

Dear reader - these JREF jokers like to talk about "science" and "math" and they like to wave their credentials around like a bludgeon, but you can see by their responses they are afraid to address the evidence in support of my hypothesis.

I explained how the damage is consistent with missile impacts at 10 degree trajectories.

Their response is "nuh uh!"

But the impact angle was exactly 141.1 degrees pitch, and roll angle of 142 degree.

You failed to give the roll angle of the cruise missile (math and science), and you got the wrong direction based on a woman who said the white thing was right above her SUV, like two feet away.

Why can't you do real evidence? Why did you fail to state the roll angle.

I got the roll angle, and pitch, you got a lie. The missile you used had not been built yet. The contract delivered zero missiles before 2001.

Your claims are nonsense.


Debris, more than your fantasy missile can hold.

tons of debris; your missile fantasy is dumber than dirt, and that is being nice.

Out of the hundreds of views I only see the same dozen or so intellectually-stunted blowhards. So yeah, I didn't come here to write to the posters.

So you are at JREF to SPAM your already banned by 911 truth forums nonsense? intellectually-stunted? Realizing claims are nonsense is intellectually-stunted? Saying dead people never existed, and were not killed on 911, they were fake people is intellectual-integrity, but only when backed by delusional fantasy?

Stunted? So our intellectual growth was not normal? But your intellectual growth was normal? What a relief. We all have stunted intellects which enable us to remain skeptical and use critical thinking skills. Your intellect has grown like a cancer, unchecked superior intellect which skips right into the fantasy which is much easier to digest. Reality sucks, your fantasy-world can be what ever you wish. You like lies and disrespecting your fellow humans murder on 911 by 19 idiots who were mislead by a spoiled Saudi. You are in a superior-intellectually fantasy, which no one can equal, where reality based evidence does not exist. Never knew how lucky it was to be intellectually-stunted - I thought you were talking about a football technique

You are visually-stunted, you can't see Flight 93 debris. You can't define your overall story on 911, you must be too intellectually-superior to have a coherent story on 911.

 

[twinstead]

Unlike them I offered reasons why it can be better explained by missiles.

No, You didn't. You only said you did. There's a difference. The evidence it was a plane is overwhelming. Your arrogance doesn't change that.

Intellectual honesty. From the readers.

LOL.

 

[cjnewson88]

LOL I don't believe it. Just when I bring up your failed missile theory over on your other failed thread, you bring it all here.

10 degree angles would bounce off the ground and skim along the dirt like a flat rock on water. You claim a missile could do that damage, but provide no evidence or calculations. Because you are wrong. No missile (or 3 missiles [LOL]) could do the damage seen. The only possible explanation is UA93;



Reverse science, the only thing you can do. You sat there dreaming up the idea of missiles, and then once you had smoked enough weed, you realised you could create an untestable hypothesis but claiming one thing and throwing all evidence out the door. Missile hit the tree.. lol dude come on!

UA93 crashed in shanksville. It was spotted by aircraft 'rolling' its wings just before impact. It was tracked on RADAR. DNA proves it crashed there.

I guess missiles were responsible for the impact crater of Valujet Flight 592;

And PSA Flight 1771;

and Caspian Airlines Flight 7908;

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/flight93page1
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/flight93page2
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/flight93page3

Three page which proves your ridiculous missile theory false.

And for the record, here's one I put together which debunks your equality retarded Pentagon 'missile' theory too;

http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/

You're wrong Yankee, on all 4 crashes of that day. Missiles in place of aircraft. lol how absolutely ridiculous. God dam it no planers are morons.

 

[Mudcat]

Out of the hundreds of views I only see the same dozen or so intellectually-stunted blowhards. So yeah, I didn't come here to write to the posters.

Calling people who don't agree with you names doesn't help your argument, its the exact opposite.

Now, I'm probably the only person on the the opposite of your aisle in this thread who has not finished their higher learning yet. I have no special credentials, licenses, permits, or titles to claim to my name.

Only thing I have is a single year of training in AMT school, in other words I am merely an apprentice aircraft mechanic. One of the things they teach us to do is how to research aircraft crashes.

And the Shanksville crash isn't unique, there have been several air crashes that produced craters like that and left behind very little that could be identified as an aircraft.

So, I ask again, why must this particular air crash be a missile strike?