How many rapists could he have stopped with this?

[WildCat]

It's impossible totell anything from that link. The "bombs" could be m-80's left over from last July 4 for all I can tell. I've had much worse, silver salutes were always fun when I was a kid. Would definitely qualify as a bomb by police looking to make a big deal out of nothing.

 

[Checkmite]

It's impossible totell anything from that link. The "bombs" could be m-80's left over from last July 4 for all I can tell. I've had much worse, silver salutes were always fun when I was a kid. Would definitely qualify as a bomb by police looking to make a big deal out of nothing.

Yes, they good be just m-80s or smokers, or small firecrackers - even though they're described as "homemade". Or, they could be pipebombs, or propane tanks with flash charges on the valves. Hard to tell from the story; but somehow I just don't get the feeling they were fireworks. Maybe it's the fact that this guy isn't a kid - or that he has ten thousand rounds of ammunition. I've a very good friend who happens to be very gun-savvy; he owns a couple of Garrands, a demilitarized 47, a Glock (40?), a 10-guage of uncertain authorship, and a couple of S&Ws of various sizes. He loves the hell out of them, and he lets me fire some of them at the range or his friend's property with him from time to time (is it just me, or are Garrands not particularly cooperative when it comes to the bullseye?). He has ammunition for all of them except the 47, of course - I'm guessing between 250 and 300 rounds total - and he has to buy nearly half of that before a "shooting trip".

Look, I know we're in a rush to think this is just another average gun enthusiast who got the short end of the stick because he makes his own m-80s (???). And I'll even insist that 13 weapons isn't all that outlandish if the guy is a collector.

But I refuse to believe that anybody here can, while being reasonable, deny that there's something just a little, tiny teeny bit....I don't know - odd, maybe? Strange? Intriguing?....about somebody who has only 13 weapons, but ten thousand rounds. The guy could open a store. In fact, the On-Target down the street probably has only double that amount in stock at any one time.

 

[shanek]

On a side note, do you have the right to lie to cops?

Well, they, apparently have the right to lie to you; prosecutors, too. So it only seems fair.

 

[shanek]

But I refuse to believe that anybody here can, while being reasonable, deny that there's something just a little, tiny teeny bit....I don't know - odd, maybe? Strange? Intriguing?

Yeah, it's weird. But weird things have happened before without someone turning out to be a homicidal maniac. The point is, mere possession of these things is not enough to conclude anything at all about his intentions and how much of a danger he is to other people. Now, if you throw in some plans to bomb the local IHOP or something, that's something else entirely.

 

[peptoabysmal]

I am betting on amphetimines. During my volunteer work in prisons, I have found that amphetimine addicts/dealers have a bizarre obsession with guns. And they like pointing them at random people through their windows.

That should keep you up at night.

LOL! Yes, guns and tweakers go together like sh!t and flies for some unknown reason.

 

[charley_bigtime]

Here's a cogent test:

You're driving down the road. You are not wanted by the police and you have broken no laws. You are obeying all traffic regulations and your tag, insurance, and inspections are all up-to-date. You also know that all of the equipment on your car, including brake lights etc., are fully functional. A cop pulls up behind you.

Do you feel:

a) Nervous
b) Safe and secure

If you answered a), then you are experiencing the biggest indication that you are living in a police state.

Not a good analogy unfortunately.

I would suggest that in the US/UK someone getting nervous when plod pulls them over reveals more about them as a person than it does about the society in which they live. Except when they are non-white of course.

 

[shanek]

I would suggest that in the US/UK someone getting nervous when plod pulls them over

I didn't say he pulls you over. He just comes up behind you. And I've NEVER run into anyone who answered "safe and secure."

 

[Tony]

Well, they, apparently have the right to lie to you; prosecutors, too. So it only seems fair.

True, but is it legal?

For example, if I am not carrying my i.d. and a cop decides to give me some sh!t, do I have the right to give him a fake name?

 

[shanek]

True, but is it legal?

Probably not.

 

[Tony]

Probably not.

fukkin pigs.

 

[c0rbin]

In my younger days, when out and about, when a law enforcement agent appeared, I would say, quite loudly, "Look. That man has a hand-gun."

I got some strange looks, from the cop and others, but I was never harassed for it.

 

[Luke T.]

I didn't say he pulls you over. He just comes up behind you. And I've NEVER run into anyone who answered "safe and secure."

Well, let me be the first.

edited to add: Hell, I've passed cops on the highway 10 MPH over the speed limit! And never been pulled over for it.

 

[Luke T.]

Here's a cogent test:

You're driving down the road. You are not wanted by the police and you have broken no laws. You are obeying all traffic regulations and your tag, insurance, and inspections are all up-to-date. You also know that all of the equipment on your car, including brake lights etc., are fully functional. A cop pulls up behind you.

Do you feel:

a) Nervous
b) Safe and secure

If you answered a), then you are experiencing the biggest indication that you are living in a police state.

No, it is the biggest indication you think you are living in a police state.

 

[Valmorian]

Here's a cogent test:

You're driving down the road. You are not wanted by the police and you have broken no laws. You are obeying all traffic regulations and your tag, insurance, and inspections are all up-to-date. You also know that all of the equipment on your car, including brake lights etc., are fully functional. A cop pulls up behind you.

Do you feel:

a) Nervous
b) Safe and secure

If you answered a), then you are experiencing the biggest indication that you are living in a police state.

Do you mean pulls me over, or just comes up behind me at an intersection?

If you mean pulls me over, of course I would be nervous, because I'd worry that I HAD done something wrong and didn't realize it.

If you mean the cop is just behind me, I actually do feel safe and secure.

 

[zenith-nadir]

Rapists? Police states? Huh? I just don't see it.

New York City police have uncovered an arsenal of weapons, ammunition and home-made bombs in a raid on a Staten Island home, a police spokeswoman said.

There could be no raid without a warrant. No evidence, no warrant, no raid. Otherwise the raid would be illegal and any evidence found in the home would be inadmissable in court. Ergo, Albert Boshi, 40, and Anna Dicamillo, 39, go free.

And I agree, all three-year-olds should have a 2nd amendment right to play amongst seven homemade bombs, 10,000 rounds of ammunition and 13 guns.

(edited to add: Think of it this way, a M16A2 can fire in burst mode at 90 rounds per minute, 10,000 rounds would take 111 minutes to expend.)

 

[sorgoth]

Both Boshi and Dicamillo are charged with three counts of criminal possession of a weapon and endangering the welfare of a child.

Criminal possession of a weapon. Nope, not legal. Definitely cause to be suspicious.

 

[Denise]

What disturbs me is that they took his son away. Was there no evidence for endangerment, just the mere possession of firearms? It doesn't say that the weapons were lying around in the open or anything. It does use the word "stash," implying that they were locked away, but that could just be a weasel word used to imply criminal intent.

On a related note, what is it with pediatricians nowadays asking if you have a gun in the house? They say they're worried about the kid's safety, but if that's the case why don't they ask about dogs in the house? Far more children are killed or injured by dogs than guns in this country. Yet, I have a dog, my ex has a dog, but no one mentions them. But they all want to know if we have firearms (neither of us do, BTW).

Wow, I was actually asked that by my daughter's doctor. Didn't know it was common. The question that is not guns.

 

[shanek]

fukkin pigs.

Hey, look, what you do in your spare time is none of my business, but keep it off the board, okay?



[edited to add: originally, there was a typo here so that it read "keep it off the boar." Man, the universe has some great irony sometimes...]

 

[shanek]

Rapists? Police states? Huh? I just don't see it. There could be no raid without a warrant. No evidence, no warrant, no raid. Otherwise the raid would be illegal and any evidence found in the home would be inadmissable in court.

Um, haven't really kept up since 9/11, have you?

And I agree, all three-year-olds should have a 2nd amendment right to play amongst seven homemade bombs, 10,000 rounds of ammunition and 13 guns.

Where is there any indication that they were playing around them?

 

[zenith-nadir]

Originally posted by shanek Um, haven't really kept up since 9/11, have you?

So we've made the argumentative leap from a police raid in Staten Island to the post 9-11 police state of the USSA?

Originally posted by shanek Where is there any indication that they were playing around them?

Yes, how dare I suggest a home with seven homemade bombs, 10,000 rounds of ammunition and 13 guns may be hazardous for a three year old...what was I thinking?