How many rapists could he have stopped with this?

[a_unique_person]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/04/29/staten.island.arsenal/index.html

NEW YORK (CNN) -- New York City police have uncovered an arsenal of weapons, ammunition and home-made bombs in a raid on a Staten Island home, a police spokeswoman said.

According to Officer Jannara Everleth, the NYPD Drug Enforcement Task Force on Wednesday entered the single-family home and discovered the stash of munitions, including seven homemade bombs, 10,000 rounds of ammunition and 13 guns.

 

[Tmy]

Yes but how many toasters does he have? Theres nothing in the article saying the guns were illegal or unregistered so I assume they were kosher. I dont know ifthe law limits the # of bullets you can own at once.

Sounds like he got busted for his dopey home made bombs.

 

[Charlie Monoxide]

Clearly, an american citizen exercising his 2nd amendment rights.

Charlie (I'd hate to be his neighbor) Monoxide

 

[corplinx]

I hate to say this but while this man is obviously obsessive to say the least, according the the US constitution he did nothing wrong. I believe he broke New York law.

Why exactly did the " NYPD Drug Enforcement Task Force" enter the man's home? Because he was suspected of having drugs? You realize if he was busted for having 10,000 pounds of pot some of the people on this forum would be whining about how pot should be decriminalized and this man is a martyr. However, since he had a hoard of guns he got what he deserved.

 

[Kodiak]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/04/29/staten.island.arsenal/index.html

It depends on many things, you see.

How many hours per week will he put into patroling areas where rapists are likely to be?

How good a shot is he?

How powerful are the weapons he owns?

Are the homemade bombs of the concussive "flash-bang" variety, or do they employ shrapnel?

What is the effective blast radius of these homemade bombs?

How heavy are they?

How many can he carry at one time?

How proficient is he at throwing/arming them?

I'm sure there are more, but you get the general idea...

 

[corplinx]

Suppose I am a competition shooter. This means I will most likely order ammo by the case (1000 rounds a case) for practice. I would probably have at least 5 handguns for practice and even construct my own to my specifications from aftermarket slides and frames.

Now, if for some reason my house was entered by the police, the media would describe it as having "an arsenal of weapons and 10,000 rounds of ammunition". Unfair implicit message right?

Now imagine if own the guns just to have them. Maybe I just like them. Maybe I bought 10,000 rounds of ammo just because I wanted them. Does it matter why I have them as long as its legal and my purposes are legal?

The point here is, even if this man is afraid of the new world order or some silly notion. The true test of one's commitment to freedom is when that freedom is exercised in ways you find offensive. For instance, if some man wants to buy 10 rifles and hoard them in his basement because he believes there will be a racial war; its simply none of my business.

The defacto assumption that much of the New York and international media perpetuates is that somehow gun ownership is suspect in and of itself.

I suggest that at the next TAM (which im planning on attending), one day we go to a local shooting range and explain how guns work. I still get the feeling many skeptics on this forum think guns work the way they do in movies.

 

[Tony]

When did New York become a police state?

 

[Luke T.]

Why exactly did the " NYPD Drug Enforcement Task Force" enter the man's home? Because he was suspected of having drugs? You realize if he was busted for having 10,000 pounds of pot some of the people on this forum would be whining about how pot should be decriminalized and this man is a martyr. However, since he had a hoard of guns he got what he deserved.

I am betting on amphetimines. During my volunteer work in prisons, I have found that amphetimine addicts/dealers have a bizarre obsession with guns. And they like pointing them at random people through their windows.

That should keep you up at night.

 

[Tmy]

I wonder what the headline would be if they entered my house?

"DEA raid reveals huge cache of Raman Noodles! Tens of Knives Hidden in Kitchen Drawer. Man arrested for possession of illegally copywrited music."


I know lots of poeple who are into gun collecting. Doesnt make them milita nuts.

 

[Checkmite]

I know lots of poeple who are into gun collecting. Doesnt make them milita nuts.

But I don't know lots of people who are into gun and ammo collecting, and who also make bombs as a hobby.

 

[Tony]

Is there really anything intrinsically wrong with making bombs? We made "bombs" (they were really just homemade fireworks) all the time when I was younger. Is that so wrong?

 

[shanek]

What disturbs me is that they took his son away. Was there no evidence for endangerment, just the mere possession of firearms? It doesn't say that the weapons were lying around in the open or anything. It does use the word "stash," implying that they were locked away, but that could just be a weasel word used to imply criminal intent.

On a related note, what is it with pediatricians nowadays asking if you have a gun in the house? They say they're worried about the kid's safety, but if that's the case why don't they ask about dogs in the house? Far more children are killed or injured by dogs than guns in this country. Yet, I have a dog, my ex has a dog, but no one mentions them. But they all want to know if we have firearms (neither of us do, BTW).

 

[aerocontrols]

What disturbs me is that they took his son away. Was there no evidence for endangerment, just the mere possession of firearms? It doesn't say that the weapons were lying around in the open or anything.

Maybe it was the seven bombs.

Here's a good rule of thumb:

If you have bombs in the house, don't have kids in the house.

 

[corplinx]

Maybe it was the seven bombs.

Here's a good rule of thumb:

If you have bombs in the house, don't have kids in the house.

There you go with your anti-palestinian rhetoric again.

 

[daenku32]

Suppose I am a competition shooter. This means I will most likely order ammo by the case (1000 rounds a case) for practice. I would probably have at least 5 handguns for practice and even construct my own to my specifications from aftermarket slides and frames.

Now, if for some reason my house was entered by the police, the media would describe it as having "an arsenal of weapons and 10,000 rounds of ammunition". Unfair implicit message right?

Now imagine if own the guns just to have them. Maybe I just like them. Maybe I bought 10,000 rounds of ammo just because I wanted them. Does it matter why I have them as long as its legal and my purposes are legal?

The point here is, even if this man is afraid of the new world order or some silly notion. The true test of one's commitment to freedom is when that freedom is exercised in ways you find offensive. For instance, if some man wants to buy 10 rifles and hoard them in his basement because he believes there will be a racial war; its simply none of my business.

The defacto assumption that much of the New York and international media perpetuates is that somehow gun ownership is suspect in and of itself.

I suggest that at the next TAM (which im planning on attending), one day we go to a local shooting range and explain how guns work. I still get the feeling many skeptics on this forum think guns work the way they do in movies.

Clearly the story doesn't give much detail. But the fact that they had home made bombs is a good indication that they weren't mere hobbyists. If they lacked a legal right to have the guns at all, the ammunition is a good indication that they didn't 'accidentally' have the guns.

 

[corplinx]

But the fact that they had home made bombs is a good indication that they weren't mere hobbyists.

Someone who has a real hard-on for guns and such might make some homemade pipe bombs for the hell of it. Its not like these people were making a neutron bomb in their basement.

Weird hobbies are still hobbies. Mind you, I am thinking these people were NWO/black helicoptor whackos and I certainly don't want to live near them or want them to have guns. However, the constution isn't there for me to only give freedom when I approve of how and by whom it is exercised.

 

[Agammamon]

When did New York become a police state?

A more pertinent question might be when was New york not a police state?

State monopoly on liquors sales

Out of state liquor shipments illegal

Smoking ban throughout NYC

Cops giving tickets to employees "loitering" outside the place they're working at.

Goes back to the beginning of the last century with prosecutions for obscenity or disseminating info on birth control.

 

[shanek]

Someone who has a real hard-on for guns and such might make some homemade pipe bombs for the hell of it. Its not like these people were making a neutron bomb in their basement.

Besides, there have been cases where our government has tried to describe a bunch of glass bottles being in the same house (not even the same room) with some liquid fertilizer as a "bomb."

People, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING other than what the government is telling people. ALWAYS keep that in mind.

 

[shanek]

Here's a cogent test:

You're driving down the road. You are not wanted by the police and you have broken no laws. You are obeying all traffic regulations and your tag, insurance, and inspections are all up-to-date. You also know that all of the equipment on your car, including brake lights etc., are fully functional. A cop pulls up behind you.

Do you feel:

a) Nervous
b) Safe and secure

If you answered a), then you are experiencing the biggest indication that you are living in a police state.

 

[Tony]

Here's a cogent test:

You're driving down the road. You are not wanted by the police and you have broken no laws. You are obeying all traffic regulations and your tag, insurance, and inspections are all up-to-date. You also know that all of the equipment on your car, including brake lights etc., are fully functional. A cop pulls up behind you.

Do you feel:

a) Nervous
b) Safe and secure

If you answered a), then you are experiencing the biggest indication that you are living in a police state.

I answered a), in fact, I have NEVER felt safe and secure in the vicinity of a cop. Why should I feel safe and secure in the presence of a stupid government employee with a gun who has it in his power to "arrest" me for trumped up reasons?

On a side note, do you have the right to lie to cops?