How Loony are the Loons?

[babazaroni]

You are the NUT bozo! You throw dirt in the face of people who have searved this country to give you the very freedom you currently have, and I would just rather you say THANK YOU for your service WE have provided to your sorry arse and SHUT THE HELL UP!

Do I sense a parting shot?

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Well....

Sorry about the multiple posts, the system keeped erroring so I kept trying not knowing that it was posting.

No, after reading your double-posted pile of screaming hysteria, I think the computer system could read an error when it saw one, a lot better than you could.

Screaming and yelling, hurling ad hominem attacks, and lousy grammar are not going to win you any adherents. Neither are your theories. They gassed all the passengers in the planes? It took the Feds a few minutes of scanning passenger lists to know who to make fake phone calls to and what to say? Factions within the government that are running drug wars?

I must say, your knowledge of my life, career, and education are about on the same level as your understanding of politics and the events of 9/11. I suggest you do more legwork on all of them, besides rereading conspiracy web pages.

And I also did some reflection on the USS Liberty issue...I don't see any "false flag" attack in that. The ship was bombed by Israeli warships and planes, flying the flag (or insignia) of the Israeli Defense Forces, manned by Israeli airmen and sailors, in uniform of their service, citizens of their nation, paid by their nation, acting on the orders of their government (admittedly wrong and stupid orders). Israelis bombed Americans. How is that a "false flag" attack?

A "false flag" attack would be Americans in Israeli uniforms and aircraft bombing an American ship. So this does not apply.

Do try and learn to use the quote key, the English language, research tools that do not rely on web pages operated by neo-Nazi UFO nutters, and stop screaming hysterically. You're addressing folks who are not impressed by screaming and insults. Unlike you, we do get out of our basement occasionally.

 

[RemoveBush]

"babazaroni - I found the picture here as well as an explanation for how the iron can remain hot, even burn in the pile:"

I guess the world is pretty damn lucky then that not one of those pot belly (IRON) burners NEVER caught on fire..... Whew, that was a close call!!!

 

[Dog Town]

"babazaroni - I found the picture here as well as an explanation for how the iron can remain hot, even burn in the pile:"

I guess the world is pretty damn lucky then that not one of those pot belly (IRON) burners NEVER caught on fire..... Whew, that was a close call!!!

Priceless!

 

[Brainache]

"How loony are the loons?"

Well I can't say for sure, but they appear to be getting loonier.

 

[beachnut]

Do I sense a parting shot?

Originally Posted by RemoveBush
You are the NUT bozo! You throw dirt in the face of people who have searved this country to give you the very freedom you currently have, and I would just rather you say THANK YOU for your service WE have provided to your sorry arse and SHUT THE HELL UP!

That would be good.

Think he was trying to insult me with his shallow research! I served for 28 years; I think he flunked out of flight school! We all had FCC stuff back in the old days; bet his meds are messed up.

Was RB an engineer who never was, or a flunked out pilot?

He is washed up as a researcher. Darn if I had that list I would leave off the Beam Weapon supporter. Would you?

 

[LashL]

Tapping foot...

Just a reminder, RemoveBush, I'm still waiting for the evidence that you said you would provide many pages ago about your contention that the WTC towers were "hermetically sealed".

 

[stateofgrace]

Removebush.

Here is a very simply question for you.

What exactly do you believe is going on in the world?

Seriously, what exactly is your present perception of this planet? If your perception is correct, what should we all do about it ?

 

[babazaroni]

"babazaroni - I found the picture here as well as an explanation for how the iron can remain hot, even burn in the pile:"

I guess the world is pretty damn lucky then that not one of those pot belly (IRON) burners NEVER caught on fire..... Whew, that was a close call!!!

Your logic skills are legendary. Your real job appears to be generating quotes for sigs.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Thanks...

actually we have you chose to ignore or dismiss itto bullsh*t CT sites the burden of proof that DNA was tampered with is on YOU. It is impossible to alter DNA to cause a match. You may contaminate it to mask a match but you certainly cannot alter it to make a match. been proved that they were in fact the planes. also DNA matches confirm the victims. Unless evidence points to another theory investigations do not investigate every possibility any more then they investigate the entire population as being suspect for a single murder trial. Your assumptions are incorrect. Just because your tiny paranoid brain thinks so does not make anyone else suspect. the investigators owe you NOTHING The planes in question cannot be remote controlled. there is no servo that can be remotely controlled and remote readout corrected that exists for the hydraulic assisted wire control system of those planes. no they can't investigate the drawings for those planes that are available on line yourself. see aboveyou are a complete FOOL!! see for yourself
the above statement proves Your IQ is dropping dramatically which confirms any degree you have came from a diploma mill. see the spell check up in the right hand corner MORON (hint it has a check mark next to it) There is no evidence of a conspiracy involving 911 beyond wild conjecture, fabrication, quote mining, evidence tampering, character assassinations, harassment and mental defect.see aboveyou have shown us no real evidence. just misinterpreted visuals. and comments taken out of context. actually we relish in the fact that you came here to expose you as the fool that you are. some comments on blogs are designed to do just that. to bring you here and face the musicalready proven that cell phones were more powerful than they are today also it was noted that most calls were from Air Phones. I think you are confusing the movie flight 93 with real life. But thats understandable in the maelstrom thats going on in your brainI had flown before 911 and there were plenty of flights that were not full. did it occur to you that planes also move mail and other cargo? Coast to coast? Funny I never had to provide a cell phone number when I flew. or even a land line number. So you are saying the calls were faked? I think thats a childlike narrow minded fantasist's view. Are you that stupid? They really were not looking for? Why would they not even search for something they used as an excuse to enter a military action? That is like saying well we didn't actually try to rescue the hostages in Iran in the seventies we just felt like loading our turbines with sand crashing our helicopters and killing our ops just to see what the publics reaction would be. there was no ability proved to perform such an operation because the operation never took place beyond pen to paper. they were never READY to perform such an operationyou neuter dogs and cats also? do you have a license for that? it shows no motive. It involved no injury to citizens hence no evidence. it is far from only one step away simply proving that it never made it past conference. there are checks and balances. here we boil down to 'the Jooos did it' the only evidence you have is that you are anti Semitic, racist, or both. If such a faction was able to muster all the resources to pull off such a conspiracy and tie up all the lose ends. then yes we are talking THOUSANDS of participants. how do you 'account' for that?till the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki dropped Seibel Edmonds mentioned nothing about a 911 conspiracy. she did however revealed this quoted below

So at the top of this post you say the FBI did not have enough information to seek arrest of OBL yet the evidence provided by Edmonds conflicts with that. So which will it be? A conspiracy by a faction of government or Incompetence by the government? you cant have both.

You saved me a good deal of time and sweat in having to wade through Remove43's hysterical drivel and answer his points...you did a very thorough job of it.

A couple of additions: The Manhattan Project's story came out with the bomb, as mentioned. Much of the codebreaking came out after World War II. Bletchley Park took 25 years, but it came out to the point that the actual site is now a museum, and hordes of people have given their accounts of their work there. We have yet to hear people stand up and describe how they faked 9/11.

And, as I said, Northwoods didn't get past discussion. Discussion in the early 1960s, I might add.

The burden of proof for all these atrocities you blame on Uncle Sam is upon you. Screaming at us isn't proof. And saying that we're all loyal adherents of George Bush doesn't work, either. I don't think most of the folks here who are Americans voted for the guy or supported any of his policies (including those when he owned the Texas Rangers). That's another accusation that you have to prove, by the way, that we are indeed shills for George Bush. I know I'm not, because my price for doing so would be fairly astronomical, and once it was paid, I'd be back off to New Zealand.

And I'm also waiting for, as a replacement to these hysterical theories about mass gassings, culling cell phone numbers from boarding passes, US government "factions," misrepresentations and misinformation, for a coherent, complete, documented, lucid, narrative of "what really happened" on 9/11.

You've admitted many times in your statements that you have neither proof nor evidence for your theories, just guess, supposition, belief, and adherence to conspiracy theories spouted by websites that would also have us believe that Hitler was a charming fellow who bore Jews no malice, that UFOs routinely abduct humans in return for advanced technology, and that the Catholics, Masons, Bilderbergers, and World Wildlife Fund are secretly plotting America's downfall (and doing quite a poor job of it if they were).

Sorry, this is a skeptics' forum, not a blog, and we're not going to take your wild statements, hysteria, conspiracy garbage, ignorance, and misinformation without extensive proof. Just because you're infuriated with the US government for a variety of reasons, doesn't mean we are going to adopt your fury at face value.

But I guess you have as much trouble reading that as you do in using the "quote" function and spelling words properly.

 

[RemoveBush]

"Indolent Wretch - I take it that means you believe the planes weren't the 767's full of passengers that everyone saw hit the buildings."

I guess if you consider a plane that is capable of carrying over 200 passengers with less than 50 as FULL, then yes.

"Hang on hang on hang on!
Listen to yourself."

I know damn well what I am saying!

"A) 2 billion dollars may sound like a lot of money but it's absolute chicken feed if the people you are talking about are as well placed and connected as you say."

When they can kill 2 birds with one stone, yes!

"B) Even more ridiculous... The buildings weren't up to CODE!! CODE!!!! You're telling me you believe these people could arrange a massive plane and explosives attack on these buildings, create a enormous cover up, silence all the expert witnesses, and god knows what else (fighter jets, missile attacks, holographic projectors, etc, etc) BUT they couldn't get some faceless bureaucrat to turn a blind eye to a frigging BUILDING CODE!"

Like that is going to work how long??? Until people start filing the law suits for illnesses they are getting from the TOXIC material from the buildings.

"Does this really seem likely to you. Hey we are the New World Order but we can't get planning permission for a house extension let alone a secret lair!"

Do YOU even listen to yourself? You seem to think that people would not do this! What world are you living on? ITS CALLED POWER!

Riddle me this then..... The EPA report was CHANGED by the Bush Admin..... If they will not HESITATE to allow over 15,000 Americans to suffer a slow and agonizing death, what makes you think that they give one rats ass about 3,000?

"C) Lets follow this chain of thought...."

Yes lets.....

" The buildings are going to be condemned, the building inspector of doom and truth cannot be silenced, the cost is 2 billion dollars of chump change. Are you still telling me that having 2 jetliners full of fuel hit at X hundred miles an hour, causing large structural damage and fires..."

Maybe you need to do some more research?? Jets are not FILLED with fuel. They are only filled with enough to get to thier destination with some reserve.

"Wouldn't be enough for someone to say, these buildings are dangerous and have to come down, call the insurance company???? Don't you see, they STILL DON'T need to be collapsed through a controlled demolition."

No! You see..... That would leave VALUABLE EVIDENCE lying around that would need to be destroyed, that could not because there was no total destruction of the buildings.

"It's entirely unnecessary. And the secret masters of our world surely would not do completely unnecessary things if it means a chance of exposure!

THINK!"

Maybe you should take your own advice? Perhaps you have not seen the REAL WORLD to know that people are ruthless, and they will do what ever they need to in order to obtain their goals. Especially the rich! They are even more ruthless. I guess you never considered the following problems of the day?

1) All 4 planes were only 1/4 full
2) NOT ONE plane was able to key the mike or setoff the emergency channel.
3) Only HOURS after the attacks, Rummy is telling his people to find anything for them to attack Iraq! Not interrested in first finding out who really did this attack, but rather what they could find to attack Iraq.
4) Almost ALL of the "hijackers" were from Saudi Arabia, but we attack Afganistan and Iraq?
5) Up till 9/11 Saudi Arabia was in debt and feering revolt from their people. Right after 9/11, they started making money hand over fist and now have billions in surplus.

There are PLENTY of other reasons to consider besides your close minded, narrow view of how things are.

 

[RemoveBush]

"Indolent Wretch A) The building could easily have withstood collisions from 2 fully fueled fast moving jetliners. Thats why the NWO had to plant explosives throughout the buildings to guarantee they collapsed.

B) The buildings were in their last throws, corrosion, building code violations, tasteless paint colors... basically structural failure was imminent. Thats why they had to crash planes into them.

Erm....
ERM....

I THINK YOU CAN HAVE (A) OR (B) BUT NOT BOTH CONSPIRACY GUYS!"

The lack of ability to THINK just amazes me from you people.....

First of all! A building can be condemed for many reasons. Toxic Paint, you know LEAD! Toxic fibers, like in the insulation. etc. etc. etc.

Second, it was not enough just to crash a plane! They needed to get rid of the EVIDENCE! You know like when a bank robber might throw the gun he used into the river so that it is harder for the police to obtain it and use it as proof?

GEEEEZZZZZEEEE!

 

[beachnut]

They are getting more loony each post! Each post brings up more junk that has nothing to do with 9/11 CT.

How loony can it get?

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Oh, I see...

So the New World Order has no problem committing mass murder, forgery, and fraud...but they're petrified of a personal injury lawyer with an asbestos lawsuit.

Killing thousands of people, faking piles of evidence, bribing and threatening thousands of investigators, soldiers, cops, doctors, lab technicians, lawyers, air traffic controllers, staging fake investigation boards, creating fake air crash sites, manufacturing evidence...no problem.

But a third-rate ambulance chaser with a personal-injury suit...that they're afraid of.

Just making sure I have you straight on this.

 

[stateofgrace]

Removebush.

Here is a very simply question for you.

What exactly do you believe is going on in the world?

Seriously, what exactly is your present perception of this planet? If your perception is correct, what should we all do about it ?

"Indolent Wretch - I take it that means you believe the planes weren't the 767's full of passengers that everyone saw hit the buildings."

I guess if you consider a plane that is capable of carrying over 200 passengers with less than 50 as FULL, then yes.

"Hang on hang on hang on!
Listen to yourself."

I know damn well what I am saying!

"A) 2 billion dollars may sound like a lot of money but it's absolute chicken feed if the people you are talking about are as well placed and connected as you say."

When they can kill 2 birds with one stone, yes!

"B) Even more ridiculous... The buildings weren't up to CODE!! CODE!!!! You're telling me you believe these people could arrange a massive plane and explosives attack on these buildings, create a enormous cover up, silence all the expert witnesses, and god knows what else (fighter jets, missile attacks, holographic projectors, etc, etc) BUT they couldn't get some faceless bureaucrat to turn a blind eye to a frigging BUILDING CODE!"

Like that is going to work how long??? Until people start filing the law suits for illnesses they are getting from the TOXIC material from the buildings.

"Does this really seem likely to you. Hey we are the New World Order but we can't get planning permission for a house extension let alone a secret lair!"

Do YOU even listen to yourself? You seem to think that people would not do this! What world are you living on? ITS CALLED POWER!

Riddle me this then..... The EPA report was CHANGED by the Bush Admin..... If they will not HESITATE to allow over 15,000 Americans to suffer a slow and agonizing death, what makes you think that they give one rats ass about 3,000?

"C) Lets follow this chain of thought...."

Yes lets.....

" The buildings are going to be condemned, the building inspector of doom and truth cannot be silenced, the cost is 2 billion dollars of chump change. Are you still telling me that having 2 jetliners full of fuel hit at X hundred miles an hour, causing large structural damage and fires..."

Maybe you need to do some more research?? Jets are not FILLED with fuel. They are only filled with enough to get to thier destination with some reserve.

"Wouldn't be enough for someone to say, these buildings are dangerous and have to come down, call the insurance company???? Don't you see, they STILL DON'T need to be collapsed through a controlled demolition."

No! You see..... That would leave VALUABLE EVIDENCE lying around that would need to be destroyed, that could not because there was no total destruction of the buildings.

"It's entirely unnecessary. And the secret masters of our world surely would not do completely unnecessary things if it means a chance of exposure!

THINK!"

Maybe you should take your own advice? Perhaps you have not seen the REAL WORLD to know that people are ruthless, and they will do what ever they need to in order to obtain their goals. Especially the rich! They are even more ruthless. I guess you never considered the following problems of the day?

1) All 4 planes were only 1/4 full
2) NOT ONE plane was able to key the mike or setoff the emergency channel.
3) Only HOURS after the attacks, Rummy is telling his people to find anything for them to attack Iraq! Not interrested in first finding out who really did this attack, but rather what they could find to attack Iraq.
4) Almost ALL of the "hijackers" were from Saudi Arabia, but we attack Afganistan and Iraq?
5) Up till 9/11 Saudi Arabia was in debt and feering revolt from their people. Right after 9/11, they started making money hand over fist and now have billions in surplus.

There are PLENTY of other reasons to consider besides your close minded, narrow view of how things are.

"Indolent Wretch A) The building could easily have withstood collisions from 2 fully fueled fast moving jetliners. Thats why the NWO had to plant explosives throughout the buildings to guarantee they collapsed.

B) The buildings were in their last throws, corrosion, building code violations, tasteless paint colors... basically structural failure was imminent. Thats why they had to crash planes into them.

Erm....
ERM....

I THINK YOU CAN HAVE (A) OR (B) BUT NOT BOTH CONSPIRACY GUYS!"

The lack of ability to THINK just amazes me from you people.....

First of all! A building can be condemed for many reasons. Toxic Paint, you know LEAD! Toxic fibers, like in the insulation. etc. etc. etc.

Second, it was not enough just to crash a plane! They needed to get rid of the EVIDENCE! You know like when a bank robber might throw the gun he used into the river so that it is harder for the police to obtain it and use it as proof?

GEEEEZZZZZEEEE!

Wow, thanks for the answer, seek help pal,seriously.

 

[apathoid]

Groody gumdrops. Funny how the FCC abolished the First and Third Class licenses in the 1980s.

As Conspirator noted, he did say "equivalent" license. I have absolutely no idea what an FCC 1st class equivalent license is or how you might get one. The FCC lists these as available licenses.

Types of Licenses, Permits, and Endorsements
The FCC currently issues the following types of radio operator licenses and endorsements:

• Restricted Radiotelephone Operator's Permit
• Marine Radio Operator's Permit
• General Radiotelephone Operator's License
• GMDSS Radio Operator's License
• Restricted GMDSS Operator's License
• GMDSS Radio Maintainer's License
• Third Class Radiotelegraph Operator's Certificate
• Second Class Radiotelegraph Operator's Certificate
• First Class Radiotelegraph Operator's Certificate
• Ship Radar Endorsement
• Six Month Service Endorsement

Discontinued Licenses and Endorsements
The following types of license and endorsements are no longer issued:

• First Class Radiotelephone Operator License
• Second Class Radiotelephone Operator License
• Third Class Radiotelephone Operator Permit
• Broadcast Endorsement
• Aircraft Radiotelegraph Endorsement (This endorsement will be dropped from any renewed radiotelegraph certificate.)

http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/lpe.html

Myself, I hold an FCC General Radiotelephone Operator License with Ship Radar endorsement. The GROL is really the only FCC license required for technicians(most of the others seem to be operator licenses as opposed to repair licenses).

 

[babazaroni]

Maybe you need to do some more research?? Jets are not FILLED with fuel. They are only filled with enough to get to thier destination with some reserve.

Yeah, they don't put much fuel into those coast-to-coast flights.

 

[RemoveBush]

"Indolent Wretch - Do you believe it is possible that two fully fueled jet liners colliding with multiple floors of a giant building full of combustible material, with no effective fire supression, could really cause a few small pockets of fire?"

Again with the FULLY LOADED/FUELED crap? Planes are NOT loaded FULL OF FUEL!

"Does that seem likely to you? Or does it seem more likely that the fires were much more extensive?"

There were fires and they were HOT. Just not to the extent YOU are making them out to be! Buildings, including one of these, have burned longer and hotter before and did not collapse. I would think that if the ASSUMPTION that the metal would weaken and loose its strength that those other steel framed buildings would have fallen down by now do to the fire they experienced that was much more intense than this one!


"If indeed the people in charge knew that the collision would only create small, easily contained fires, why did they not arrange for the planes to be carrying much more fuel, or for the intended impact location to be stocked with barrels of aviation fuel, or hay for christsake! Surely that would have been:"

Because then mindless people like you might see through the smoke and mirrors and they would not have gotten as far as they have!

"A) Much cheaper"

For who? It has cost the American people TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS so who is it cheaper for? In CHAOS they could steel. Just look at all the money that they cannot account for! Now do you think that they could do this if 9/11 did not happen?

"B) Much easier than wiring a whole building up with explosives"

Easier for who? I would bet money that if in deed the towers were brought down as is beleived by CD that it was not anyone from the US that did it. So who are those other countries that we MIGHT get to do this??? How about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Isreal?

"C) Much less likely to have people point at the building and go 'Hey that was a controlled demolition?'""

Not when they have people like you who ask such rediculous questions in this fashion instead of saying, could this be possible? The answer to that is YES. Your type of attitude is just what they were hopping for and started the bashing from the start. "Let's not stand for Conspiracy Theories" and you fell HOOK LINE AND SINKER for it.

I don't know what the TRUE truth is, and I know YOU don't. If you say you do then you are LYING! Not even the members of Congress truely know the truth, why do you think so many of them have questions and doubt the official story?

 

[beachnut]

How can they get this loony? How can you make up stuff and keep adding junk.

I think the Beam Weapon takes the prize; if you believe the beam weapon you are nuts. I know we have shot down missiles with "beam weapons" (laser); but it will not bring down the WTC. When a CT person brings up the beam weapon you know a loon is talking.

It is funny to watch someone meet the criteria of a thread; and do it with flying colors.

This has to be one of the best, besides 28th, where a poster provide fodder for the thread theme in more than one way; like a living thread; who can put this in the proper perspective with persuasive prose. ?????

 

[RemoveBush]

"aggle-rithm - Maybe if you utilized the easy-to-use quote feature, it would make it appear less like you're talking to yourself, and thus you'd appear less of a nut."

Are you really that mindless that you can't simply look for the [ " ] at the begining of a "quote" and the end?

It's simple, people have been doing it for years and they still do it..... There are tones of sites that don't have the quote functions and they can seem to follow along, but you people can't???

This is another reason that America is losing it's grasp in the world as a leader, people like you need to have everything handed to them on a silver platter and can't think for yourself. Such a shame.