How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Donks]

Thanks!

We are use to read such mails daily. These are passing over our heads.

I think we have succeeded in our mission. The signs of anxiety and depression has been started to come among the skeptics.

If your mission was to show that Dr. MAS and his followers are all imbeciles then you have succeeded. If you wanted to entertain us in the way of the court jester of medieval times, then you have also succeeded. If you wanted to show that there are several villages missing their idiot, you have also succeeded.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Well, that was their declared policy, to allow skepticism. And of course, in the skeptic forum, the moderator wouldn't do that sort of thing .

To be fair, Otherhealth has been quite permissive, lately. Hpathy isn't too bad, either, except for Sigi's moving critical threads to the Chit-chat forum. But of course, the meagre skeptical representation there has been keeping a fairly low profile. If we were to go into the normal threads and, for instance, tell the guy who is fearing an overdose that he needn't worry, things might get nasty again.

Hans

You must give cradit to NCH Pakistan where you have been appointed as "Full Fledge Moderator" beside Dr. MAS group of critcism.


At otherhealth forum you are under observation by Lisa Annan. You daily receive warnings from her.

At hpathy Sigi is the most non-sense moderator of its kind. He disclosed the IP address of a member publically in general discussion forum and when that member pointed out, the all time big liar Manish Bhattia deleted the post of that poster with remarks "abusive language used", although I am witnessed to that thread, that member only said, "sigi you are not in your senses, you publically disclosed my identity and committed crime". Is this abusive utter? Shame on hpathy team a big liar group.

 

[Jeff Corey]

Homeopathy is a fraud? Ok prove it.

A prize is also waiting for you.

There is no prize. It, you, Mr. MAS and the horse you rode in on are all frauds. Fakes, phonies, charlatans, scum and not nice people.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

At hpathy Sigi is the most non-sense moderator of its kind. He disclosed the IP address of a member publically in general discussion forum and when that member pointed out, the all time big liar Manish Bhattia deleted the post of that poster with remarks "abusive language used", although I am witnessed to that thread, that member only said, "sigi you are not in your senses, you publically disclosed my identity and committed crime". Is this abusive utter? Shame on hpathy team a big liar group.

Like ferrets in a sack?

 

[Mouthfire]

Thanks!

We are use to read such mails daily. These are passing over our heads.

I think we have succeeded in our mission. The signs of anxiety and depression has been started to come among the skeptics.

Heheh... don't fool yourself.... The only thing you're doing is making homeopaths look like total bumbling idiots.

 

[Mojo]

Homeopathy is a fraud? Ok prove it.

A prize is also waiting for you.

OK, "Dr." Sheikh, let's ask you a few questions.

Do you accept that matter (as we observe it) is composed of atoms?

 

[Nucular]

I think we have succeeded in our mission. The signs of anxiety and depression has been started to come among the skeptics.

What, your mission was to make us get anxious and depressed?

I think you're confusing these emotional states with exasperation and irritation; but I guess this inaccuracy of diagnosis is to be expected from you.

But, if believing we are anxious and depressed will move you on to your next 'phase' of 'attack', as I wonder if you're hinting, then by all means, believe we are anxious and depressed and get going on whatever you want to do next. Whatever it is, I doubt you can surprise us.

 

[Zep]

Homeopathy is a fraud? Ok prove it.

A prize is also waiting for you.

What, ANOTHER fraudulent and silly prize? OK, I\'ll play along for the joke.

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain water and homeopathic water. This has been proven time out of number.

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain sugar and homeopathic sugar. This has been proven time out of number.

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain alcohol and homeopathic alcohol. This has been proven time out of number.

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between any homeopathic remedy and the placebo effect. This has been proven time out of number.

Homeopathic remedies have been proven NOT to work as claimed when tested under proper double-blind placebo-controlled conditions, and most do nothing at all for patients. This has been proven time out of number.

Homeopaths continue to insist that their remedies have some effect, despite these conclusive findings. They continue to cite support from noted non-scientists in their bid to support their practices. This has been shown time out of number.

Consequently, homeopaths are defrauding their patients into believing their remedies actually work. They take money from their patients to do this defrauding. They do not tell their patients any of the above information. They are frauds, their practice is fraudulent.



What do I win?

 

[Jeff Corey]

The lounge suite.

 

[MRC_Hans]

You must give cradit to NCH Pakistan where you have been appointed as "Full Fledge Moderator" beside Dr. MAS group of critcism.

EHr, yes. I just gave them credit. Unfortunately, it is of little use, since homeopaths seem to shun that forum.

At otherhealth forum you are under observation by Lisa Annan. You daily receive warnings from her.

She told you that? I'm afraid I have to inform you that she is lying. I have not received a warning from Lisa Annan, ever.

At hpathy Sigi is the most non-sense moderator of its kind. He disclosed the IP address of a member publically in general discussion forum and when that member pointed out, the all time big liar Manish Bhattia deleted the post of that poster with remarks "abusive language used", although I am witnessed to that thread, that member only said, "sigi you are not in your senses, you publically disclosed my identity and committed crime". Is this abusive utter? Shame on hpathy team a big liar group.

Can't disagree with that. And I want to give you credit for your willingness to criticise other homeopaths. We see much too much blind solidarity.

Hans

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

What, ANOTHER fraudulent and silly prize? OK, I\'ll play along for the joke.

We have the same opinion for JREF prize.


Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain water and homeopathic water. This has been proven time out of number.

Skeptics cannot understand that we do not use water.


Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain sugar and homeopathic sugar. This has been proven time out of number.

A plain sugar which does not contain homeopathic medicine and homeopathic sugar is that which contain homeopathic medicine. This has been told 100 times but you cannot understand.


Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain alcohol and homeopathic alcohol. This has been proven time out of number.

same as above

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between any homeopathic remedy and the placebo effect. This has been proven time out of number.

100 times it has been told to you but you need to study four years of homeopathy


Homeopathic remedies have been proven NOT to work as claimed when tested under proper double-blind placebo-controlled conditions, and most do nothing at all for patients. This has been proven time out of number.

answered just now in Darat quoted mail.

Homeopaths continue to insist that their remedies have some effect, despite these conclusive findings. They continue to cite support from noted non-scientists in their bid to support their practices. This has been shown time out of number.

If it has not effect. then prove it and win prize

Consequently, homeopaths are defrauding their patients into believing their remedies actually work. They take money from their patients to do this defrauding. They do not tell their patients any of the above information. They are frauds, their practice is fraudulent.

inform your government to take steps against them. many homeopaths are working in each country.



What do I win?

You will win our heart if you accept our system.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

At otherhealth forum you are under observation by Lisa Annan. You daily receive warnings from her.

She told you that? I'm afraid I have to inform you that she is lying. I have not received a warning from Lisa Annan, ever.

No, she has publically given warning. I read it myself. Your post has also been deleted.

Can't disagree with that. And I want to give you credit for your willingness to criticise other homeopaths. We see much too much blind solidarity.

I am not against sigi or homeopath. Because he is just an employee of manish bhattia. who does not know the difference between hindlimb and leg but working as moderator. He also suggests remedies for pain in leg and forelimb.

I am against that act which he did without reason. What was the motive of publically disclosing the ip address of a member? Then manish came and without taking action against sigi, he deleted the two line post of that member with the remarks that post contains abusive remarks. I am wittnessed to that post, no abusive language was used in two or three line post.

Actually manish protected sigi's decission because sigi is his non-paid employee, where as manish is filling his pockets with dollars due to the unpaid services of sigi. Obviously when you take so much work without actually paying anything then you sometime protect your employee by taking such decission just to obliege your employee.


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[Donks]

Originally posted by Dr. A Sheikh
A plain sugar which does not contain homeopathic medicine and homeopathic sugar is that which contain homeopathic medicine. This has been told 100 times but you cannot understand.

No, what you cannot understand is that when you dilute a finite number of atoms and take samples, eventually your samples have nothing but solvent, as shown here and here.
You are free to show what is wrong with those calculations. Or you can do what you usually do, wave your arms and pretend they don't exist.

100 times it has been told to you but you need to study four years of homeopathy

It takes 4 years to distinguish between an effect from homeopathy and an effect from placebo, and even then it can't be done under controlled conditions? The effect must be vannishingly small for your statement to be true.

 

[clarsct]

Huh. And here I thought this horse was given a decent burial.

BTW, let's stick to logic, shall we? YOU claim Homeopathy works. >I< claim I am skeptical. It is up to you to show your own proof, because it was your premise. This is called the 'burden of proof'. And it is squarely on your shoulders. Any attempt to shift the bruden of proof is not only a logical fallacy, but damned dishonest debating.

So, given the situation that I had a bottle of stock solvent, and a bottle of, say, 30c hoemopathic solution to cure diabetes, and I had access to a complete, modern chemistry lab, how would I distinguish between the two bottles, where they unlabeled?

I am awaiting your procedure. Thanks.

 

[Zep]

The lounge suite.

Oh goody! And can I play on for the holiday AND the car??

 

[Zep]

What, ANOTHER fraudulent and silly prize? OK, I'll play along for the joke.
We have the same opinion for JREF prize.
At least it's US$1,000,000 real money on the line. And the challenge is real, and the protocols are kept scrupulously fair, and the testing is completely scientific. So I can see why you think it's a joke, yeah.

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain water and homeopathic water. This has been proven time out of number.
Skeptics cannot understand that we do not use water.
I'm just highlighting this because it's such an outright and amusing lie that it's beyond ridiculous. So I'm keeping it for posterity. Thanks, MAS. You've made my day.

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain sugar and homeopathic sugar. This has been proven time out of number.
A plain sugar which does not contain homeopathic medicine and homeopathic sugar is that which contain homeopathic medicine. This has been told 100 times but you cannot understand.
Oh, we understand, all right. The problem is that homeopaths cannot tell the difference between them. Because there is none.

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between plain alcohol and homeopathic alcohol. This has been proven time out of number.
same as above
And it gets the same response.

Homeopaths cannot tell the difference between any homeopathic remedy and the placebo effect. This has been proven time out of number.
100 times it has been told to you but you need to study four years of homeopathy
Many of us have been studying the practice of homeopathy for much more than 4 years, and it's patently clear to us now that it's a complete sham. The thing is, we saw that within the first 10 minutes of the 4 years, and it hasn't got any better since then. In other words, you know you are wrong but you just can't bring yourself to admit it in public.

Homeopathic remedies have been proven NOT to work as claimed when tested under proper double-blind placebo-controlled conditions, and most do nothing at all for patients. This has been proven time out of number.
answered just now in Darat quoted mail.
Where? Can't see anything at all from Darat. Perhaps a link or a quote?

Homeopaths continue to insist that their remedies have some effect, despite these conclusive findings. They continue to cite support from noted non-scientists in their bid to support their practices. This has been shown time out of number.
If it has not effect. then prove it and win prize
You don't address the issue at all. And you know full well that some hundreds of tests of homeopathy have been done that prove beyond any reasonable doubt that it is no better than placebo. These results have been cited here frequently, but you refuse to read them, don't you. Just shut your eyes and put your fingers in your ears and go lalalalala...

Consequently, homeopaths are defrauding their patients into believing their remedies actually work. They take money from their patients to do this defrauding. They do not tell their patients any of the above information. They are frauds, their practice is fraudulent.
inform your government to take steps against them. many homeopaths are working in each country.
Your wish has been granted. Some homeopaths are going to gaol here for outright fraud. And there are not a lot of them at all anyway.

What do I win?
You will win our heart if you accept our system.
But you lose your brains and common sense and your wallet on the way. Great. I'd rather keep all those, if it's all the same with you.

 

[MRC_Hans]

At otherhealth forum you are under observation by Lisa Annan. You daily receive warnings from her.

She told you that? I'm afraid I have to inform you that she is lying. I have not received a warning from Lisa Annan, ever.

No, she has publically given warning. I read it myself. Your post has also been deleted.

That was a year ago. Yes, I have had posts deleted both at otherhealth and elsewhere. And one of Lasa's posts could be interpreted as a warning. All a year ago. But you said:

At otherhealth forum you are under observation by Lisa Annan. You daily receive warnings from her.

Can you see why I have some difficulty taking you seriously?

Hans

 

[Darat]

That was a year ago. Yes, I have had posts deleted both at otherhealth and elsewhere. And one of Lasa's posts could be interpreted as a warning. All a year ago. But you said:



Can you see why I have some difficulty taking you seriously?

Hans

I see why you are confused Hans.

The warning was made a year ago and if it is still there then you are being warned every single day by this Lasa, indeed she is warning you every hour, minute and second of every single day…

No matter how many days pass that warning is still warning you, it’s a bit like no matter how many dilutions you make those molecules are still there….


(Edited way to why.)

 

[clarsct]

Damn. Darat's been warning a BUNCH of people on an hourly basis.

TYRANT!

 

[MRC_Hans]

Darat: Ahh, yes, of course. How stupid of me. Thanks for the clarification. I assume this is a potentized warning, not to be confused (too much) with a potential warning.

Hans

Hans