How do pagans celebrate Christmas?

Dancing David said:
We have to very careful because the current modern form of the hebrai tradition was filtered to remove the polytheistic elements of the hebrai and caanan blendings, there are those who claim the current modern rabbinical tradition is actively suppressing the dead sea scroll because they are not abot montheistic essenes but about polytheistic saducees.

I agree with you that we have to be careful but we also need to be mindful that even prior to the babylonian exile there was some heavy editing of the hebrai oral tradition.
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Of course, you've made some deeper research on this than I did...

All I mean is that translating 'elohim' to 'gods' is an extreme simplification. It's sort of understandable when it's translated to 'God' in the Bible - after all, almost all of the jews and christians today believe there is only one God and to most people (fortunately) the Bible is not a historical book but a religious one. But outside religious matters, one shouldn't jump to conclusions like that.
 
If you were brave you could meet a lot more pagans, the wierd thing is most of us come from religious families, and many cases were the religous ones to begin with.
Well Dancing David...I have known many worldly people in my day and all I found was most of them were ruled by there own sin. It's not worth it to go the way of the world. Nothing but death and destruction. And believe me I learned it the hard way! At least I learned, repented, and chose to go back to God! Everything outside of Christ leads to death!
 
kurious_kathy said:
If you were brave you could meet a lot more pagans, the wierd thing is most of us come from religious families, and many cases were the religous ones to begin with.
Well Dancing David...I have known many worldly people in my day and all I found was most of them were ruled by there own sin. It's not worth it to go the way of the world. Nothing but death and destruction. And believe me I learned it the hard way! At least I learned, repented, and chose to go back to God! Everything outside of Christ leads to death!
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Learned it the hard way, eh? What death and destruction did you cause?

You can stop preaching now, and answer all the questions posed in this thread.
 
Ceritus said:
Oh how I have missed you...
Jesus is not the reason for the season, you are aware the day christmas is celebrated was already celebrated for other reasons well before Jesus the Christ Child.
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Well as a Christian I can hope that others would see Christmas as a reminder of why Jesus was born into this fallen world, to save the lost and redeem those of us that are capable of coming to true faith in Christ. I am just soooo thankful " I believe!" Jesus is the only way, don't be deceived, your eternity is at stake!!
 
kurious_kathy said:
Well as a Christian I can hope that others would see Christmas as a reminder of why Jesus was born into this fallen world, to save the lost and redeem those of us that are capable of coming to true faith in Christ. I am just soooo thankful " I believe!" Jesus is the only way, don't be deceived, your eternity is at stake!!
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Wow. perhaps you should make it your mission to personally inform all the Jews celebrating Hannukah, or the Muslims celebrating Ramadan that they got it wrong.

Do you even see how bigoted you are?
 
Umm ... being alive leads to death.

Please let me know if this is right: You were Christian, you stopped being Christian and became another religion or philosophy?

Then you became dissatisfied with choices you made in this new guise, and decided that the religion/philosophy/tarot cards was the problem, and so returned to your current brand of Christianity.

I am happy that you feel that your selected path will protect you from making bad decisions. However, not everyone needs that framework for determining how to behave. And, not everyone without your framework goes bonkers, acts inappropriately, or Farks up. It appears that your framework does not require you to act compassionately, or communicate effectively.
 
fowlsound said:
Learned it the hard way, eh? What death and destruction did you cause?

You can stop preaching now, and answer all the questions posed in this thread.
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I will try to answer some of your questions, but I find it very challenging at times. Not only am I busy with three teens at home, but I have much to try to keep up with. I wish there were more hours in the day!
And I am not trying to preach at anyone, I just really believe in Jesus! I have seen the dark places where sin can take a person in life and He not only showed me the way to live a life of truth walking in the light, but He pulled me up out of the pit.
I like you Fowlsound still struggle with health problems and stuff but I now know no matter what I go through in life, I am not going through it on my own. In fact if I had to do it on my own strength, I would fail. And believe me there comes a point for each of us that we need to know that He is there and He loves us no matter what? People will always let eachother down, but God never will! And this took me a long time to realize. I use to blame God for everything that went wrong in my life, now I don't. The truth set me free!
 
So, who do you blame now? If God is all powerful, and you've seen the light, why are you still suffering?
 
kurious_kathy said:
I will try to answer some of your questions, but I find it very challenging at times. Not only am I busy with three teens at home, but I have much to try to keep up with. I wish there were more hours in the day!
And I am not trying to preach at anyone, I just really believe in Jesus! I have seen the dark places where sin can take a person in life and He not only showed me the way to live a life of truth walking in the light, but He pulled me up out of the pit.
I like you Fowlsound still struggle with health problems and stuff but I now know no matter what I go through in life, I am not going through it on my own. In fact if I had to do it on my own strength, I would fail. And believe me there comes a point for each of us that we need to know that He is there and He loves us no matter what? People will always let eachother down, but God never will! And this took me a long time to realize. I use to blame God for everything that went wrong in my life, now I don't. The truth set me free!
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They're very simple questions kathy. Try not to strain yourself.


If you let God back in, why are you still suffering? Conversely, what did I do to deserve cancer?



ETA: I do not accept your excuses. You came to preach and nothing more. lots of people here have families, and I have health issues and have no problem backing up my statements with links and reason. QUit preaching. Start actually discussing things.
 
fowlsound said:
Wow. perhaps you should make it your mission to personally inform all the Jews celebrating Hannukah, or the Muslims celebrating Ramadan that they got it wrong.

Do you even see how bigoted you are?
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Is it bigoted to have a genuine concern for peoples souls? I don't think so!
What concerns me is this attitude everyone seems to want to project, you are wrong so I can be right. No one but God knows all things. But if people are believing everythin else written in books and denying the Bible as God's word you can count on me trying to say something about that! And I am a woman who has always considered learning a good thing. But leaving God's truth out of our journey in life is costing many too much!
 
kurious_kathy said:
Is it bigoted to have a genuine concern for peoples souls? I don't think so!
What concerns me is this attitude everyone seems to want to project, you are wrong so I can be right. No one but God knows all things. But if people are believing everythin else written in books and denying the Bible as God's word you can count on me trying to say something about that! And I am a woman who has always considered learning a good thing. But leaving God's truth out of our journey in life is costing many too much!
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This is now a circular exchange with you. You think everyone who doesn't believe in your religion is going to hell - therefore beneath you. Yes that is bigoted. Acting concerned is your guise for preaching and converting.

I'm not answering the rest of your preaching. It's all rhetoric.
 
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fowlsound said:
If you let God back in, why are you still suffering? Conversely, what did I do to deserve cancer?

QUOTE] Well if we all got what we deserved as sinners.... forget it none of us are deserving of God's love. But he does love us. And suffering is what I believe He uses sometimes to show us our need for Him. This is just my opinion, but it definately seems to be where I find my peace. No one wants to suffer and die, but we all do. Some of us more than others. None of us really understands or likes that!
And as far as my personal sufferings that is a whole other topic! Maybe I will go more in depth later when I can find some time. But I can tell you I understand pain and empathize with everyone who goes through it. Myself at this time I am fighting needing another surgery for a bad neck and after having much metal in my body already, I don't want another surgery. Three bad discs....oh well. It's all in God's hands so I know I will be fine. If I die on that operating table I will be in heaven with Jesus. That's a better place anyway!
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kurious_kathy said:
I like you Fowlsound still struggle with health problems and stuff but I now know no matter what I go through in life, I am not going through it on my own. In fact if I had to do it on my own strength, I would fail. And believe me there comes a point for each of us that we need to know that He is there and He loves us no matter what?
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So Kathy, how do you account for those of us who handle adversity with only our own strength and handle it quite well? My wife has multiple medical problems which have left her disabled. I work 40 hrs., keep things functioning at home, and try to keep at least one eye on a 17-year-old daughter. I have the stress of caring for my wife, the stress of keeping our finances from going under between home & medical costs, and the everyday stress of dealing with a teenager who thinks (as they all do) that she knows everything. And yet with all this, I've never once felt the need for Jesus to wave a magic wand over me and fix everything.

I'm sorry that you have so little faith in yourself and your abilities that you feel the need for a magical sky fairy to watch over you. I could wish my life was easier, but Jesus ain't gonna ride down on a white chariot and fix everything. And in the end, assuming the doctors finally get my wife's problems under control, I'll be able to look at myself in the mirror and be proud I did my job so well without having to share credit with any giant invisible friends.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Well if we all got what we deserved as sinners.... forget it none of us are deserving of God's love. But he does love us. And suffering is what I believe He uses sometimes to show us our need for Him. This is just my opinion, but it definately seems to be where I find my peace. No one wants to suffer and die, but we all do. Some of us more than others. None of us really understands or likes that!
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So babies who are born with defects or who are born with cancer are that way because they're just miserable sinners and have been given what they deserve?

What a horrible, malicious philosophy!
 
Genesius said:
So Kathy, how do you account for those of us who handle adversity with only our own strength and handle it quite well? .
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Some things are easier to handle on our own, and some are not. What will you feel like if and when your wife passes away because of these problems? Will you feel strong enough then? I think deep down you will ask yourself if you will ever see her again?
 
kurious_kathy said:
And suffering is what I believe He uses sometimes to show us our need for Him. This is just my opinion, but it definately seems to be where I find my peace.
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Seems like an awfully self centered and spiteful God. Make us suffer just to have us acknowledge him?

kurious_kathy said:
And as far as my personal sufferings that is a whole other topic! Maybe I will go more in depth later when I can find some time. But I can tell you I understand pain and empathize with everyone who goes through it. Myself at this time I am fighting needing another surgery for a bad neck and after having much metal in my body already, I don't want another surgery. Three bad discs....oh well. It's all in God's hands so I know I will be fine. If I die on that operating table I will be in heaven with Jesus. That's a better place anyway!
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Sorry about your spine. Check my avatar. I can sympathize. I would caution you, however, that your faith in God to fix your spine is misplaced. The condition of your spine is in the hands of your surgeon.

And if it's such a better place to be in heaven, why are you fighting to be healthy here?


Cut the preaching, go answer the questrions asked of you in other threads. You insult us all with your condescending rhetoric.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Some things are easier to handle on our own, and some are not. What will you feel like if and when your wife passes away because of these problems? Will you feel strong enough then? I think deep down you will ask yourself if you will ever see her again?
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You are a malicious, insensitive and rather nasty person.
 
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