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Ed How Christian Fundies (aka Conservatives) plan to teach genocide to schoolchildren

Muldur said:
REAL fact: Christians are the most persecuted faith in the world today.
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It's interesting you qualify the statement with 'in the world'. Since this thread is about the United States, I'm not sure how the faith is fairing elsewhere is necessarily relevant.

In terms of Christians being "persecuted" within the U.S., I'll just ask this question: is there even a single case of the proposed location of a new Christian church which faced anywhere near the same kind of scrutiny and virulent opposition as that faced by the so-called 'ground zero' mosque?
 
The fact that somebody lies about Christians being the "most persecuted faith" tells us just how it's going. The people who tell these obvious, pants-on-fire kind of lies think they've won the war already, and all that remains is the time of cleansing.
 
Tony said:
You're constantly whining about the potential of left-wing caused injustices despite the fact that they are extremely remote, but in the face of potential right-wing injustice we get a *yawn*.

That sure does show where your "values" are.
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More concerned with actual theocracy and actual religious terror. Not some figment of your imagination.
 
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Virus said:
More concerned with actual theocracy and actual religious terror. Not some figment of your imagination.
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You mean like anti-abortion laws and denying people AIDS medicine because they are gay?
 
Tony said:
I don't think it will get that far. But I would not be surprised if there was an uptick of Christian-conservative violence in the next few decades.
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I will be surprised. It's been dying on the vine for 100 years now. I see nothing that will change that gradient in the near future.

With freedom comes...freedom.
 
Muldur said:
REAL fact: Christians are the most persecuted faith in the world today.
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While agreeing with Corsair on what happens in the rest of the world is irrelevant to what happens in the US in a topic about the US, I'm inclined to believe that a lot of that persecution is, essentially, self inflicted: Christianity has a long, brutal history and sooner or later people were going to push back.
Does that mean that killing people because they're christians is ok? No. But it's hard to feel extremely sympathetic for christianity as a religion when it's spent hundreds of years doing the same thing.

Do keep in mind that in the US it tends to be the Christians doing the persecuting (luckily the law prevents the "convert of die" attitude of times past).
 
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elbe said:
While agreeing with Corsair on what happens in the rest of the world is irrelevant to what happens in the US in a topic about the US, I'm inclined to believe that a lot of that persecution is, essentially, self inflicted: Christianity has a long, brutal history and sooner or later people were going to push back.
Does that mean that killing people because they're christians is ok? No. But it's hard to feel extremely sympathetic for christianity as a religion when it's spent hundreds of years doing the same thing.

Do keep in mind that in the US it tends to be the Christians doing the persecuting (luckily the law prevents the "convert of die" attitude of times past).
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So what are you saying? Persecuted Christians in Africa and the Middle East were asking for it?
 
Virus said:
So what are you saying? Persecuted Christians in Africa and the Middle East were asking for it?
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the Christians in africa that are persecuting people because they belief them to be witches dont do the persecuted christians a favor.
 
Corsair 115 said:
It's interesting you qualify the statement with 'in the world'. Since this thread is about the United States, I'm not sure how the faith is fairing elsewhere is necessarily relevant.

In terms of Christians being "persecuted" within the U.S., I'll just ask this question: is there even a single case of the proposed location of a new Christian church which faced anywhere near the same kind of scrutiny and virulent opposition as that faced by the so-called 'ground zero' mosque?
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"Victory mosques" are a well known Islamic tradition.
 
jj said:
The fact that somebody lies about Christians being the "most persecuted faith" tells us just how it's going. The people who tell these obvious, pants-on-fire kind of lies think they've won the war already, and all that remains is the time of cleansing.
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I provided the evidence of the world-wide persecution of Christians.

Pony up counter evidence or go away.
 
I am certain there will be violence as the Christian Right realizes that the number of people who believe in ANY god is shrinking and will be a minority ~ 2050 if trends continue.

The question is what form will it take?
 
BenBurch said:
I am certain there will be violence as the Christian Right realizes that the number of people who believe in ANY god is shrinking and will be a minority ~ 2050 if trends continue.

The question is what form will it take?
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Really? They are just going to go around and start shooting people? There may be incidences of violence.... One person can do a lot of damage. But there will be no coordinated attack Taliban style attack... that's ridiculous. You sound like Alex Jones.
 
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xjx388 said:
Exactly my point. You are painting all people who call themselves "conservatives" with the same brush. Not very accurate at all.
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No I'm not. Your knee is jerking. Unless I say all conservatives, I am not painting conservatives with the same brush.

Like who? Which elected member of congress advocates teaching genocide to school children?

So you assert. But you haven't demonstrated that mainstream conservatives want to teach genocide to school children.
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You're being dishonest. The original question was about conservatives who wanted to restore biblical law:

Can you point to where someone speaking for all conservatives have stated that the goal of conservatism is to "restore biblical law?" I think you will only find fringe elements who get a lot of media attention but don't represent most conservatives.
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These are not fringe elements. They are elected officials who are running for president (ie Michelle Bachman)
 
Tony said:
These are not fringe elements. They are elected officials who are running for president (ie Michelle Bachman)
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And what would have Michelle Bachman done of she were President? Nothing. She'd dive to the middle like every other president.

This whole trying to make the religious right look like the Taliban is ridiculous.
 
xjx388 said:
Another illustration of my point.
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Not at all. You are misunderstanding.

Apparently you think it's OK when Obama's pastor, who Obama (a candidate for and now sitting President) sat and listened to for 20 odd years, spreads lies and propaganda but not OK when the other side does it?
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You are describing conservatives here. THEY think it is ok when white, conservative religious kooks make inflammatory statements condemning America, but have a problem when a black non-conservative religious kook does the same. Let me make this clear. I think they are both idiotic. It's just that I recognize the hypocrisy of conservative in the regard. Moreover, Obama distanced himself from his crazy preacher. He rightly saw the guy as a political liability. That is the total opposite of the conservatives who see such kooks as an asset. Conservative religious kooks meet with politicians, conservative politicians speak at their colleges and seek their endorsements.
 
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