Ed How Christian Fundies (aka Conservatives) plan to teach genocide to schoolchildren

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Do you always hide away from uncomfortable facts?

I've been asked the exact same thing by twoofers in the CT/911CT section.

"Fascism is always descending over America... but landing in Europe."
- Tom Wolfe

 

[Tony]

Incorrect

Not.

I just pointed out your pot/kettle problem.

"Fundies" was a necessary abbreviation of the word "fundamentalists" that was in the title of the article. So one of your points isn't even valid. The second, "American Taliban" is perfectly apropos in light of conservatives stated goal of wanting to "restore biblical law". So yes, your cries were false equivalencies.

 

[Tony]

I've been asked the exact same thing by twoofers in the CT/911CT section.

Good to know that you do hide from inconvenient information. A true skeptic make cogent statements on the article in question instead of hiding from it.

 

[Tony]

Shouldn't this be in the conspiracy section?

No. Did you read the article?

 

[coalesce]

I agree that they are marginalized culturally, but I don't think they are marginalized politically, or that they are even that far on the fringe politically. I think their influence has only increased in the Republican party. Of course, I would consider it good news if this were wrong. But the charges flying around of candidates being "moderate" and not conservative enough remind me of totalitarian movements that seek to purge member who aren't ideologically "pure" enough.

They've even gone as far as calling for the removal of a Jewish speaker of the House here in Texas because he wasn't a Christian.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/54230/texas-tea

Well, the two fields--culture and politics--are related. If they're being marginalized in one because of their stridency, then the other will follow, but perhaps not as quickly. You don't vote for someone whose views you don't agree with, and as these ideologues continue to paint themselves into a corner, their influence will wane. And don't count out the demographic shift away from whites being the dominant ones in power in the United States. That means a lot and the present fundamentalists are not doing anything to court that part of the population. If anything, they're isolating themselves even more. And it couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

Michael

 

[carlitos]

Not.



"Fundies" was a necessary abbreviation of the word "fundamentalists" that was in the title of the article. So one of your points isn't even valid. The second, "American Taliban" is perfectly apropos in light of conservatives stated goal of wanting to "restore biblical law". So yes, your cries were false equivalencies.

Still no cries. I guess some people like the name calling. I'm not one of them.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

No. Did you read the article?

Yes. And it's essentially a long ad to try and get people to buy her book. Quite a common occurrence with people pushing their conspiracy theories.

Her whole premise is based upon a few parts of the old testament (which most Christians are taught is superseded by the teachings of Christ in the new testament) and that maybe, possibly, at some time in the indeterminate future, some nutjobs might try to use that as a justification for some sort of violence and that those same nutjobs are using after school classrooms to convert students who are there, voluntarily I should add, into murderous automatons who will kill because of the voices in their heads and as such we should get extremely paranoid and stop them... somehow, even though what they are doing is perfectly legal.

Like I said. Shouldn't this be in the conspiracy sub forum?

 

[Virus]

Yawn. I'll care when it happens.

 

[Travis]

Yes. And it's essentially a long ad to try and get people to buy her book. Quite a common occurrence with people pushing their conspiracy theories.

Her whole premise is based upon a few parts of the old testament (which most Christians are taught is superseded by the teachings of Christ in the new testament)

And yet Christians hate and abuse homosexuals based almost entirely on the old testament. Funny that.


Here's the thing that makes me think this all could, maybe come to pass if a lot of things go their way:

• those on the far right lack all signs of empathy
• those on the far right understand that society is changing
• those on the far right have lots of weapons

Not a good combination.

 

[BenBurch]

"It can't happen here."

 

[xjx388]

"Fundies" was a necessary abbreviation of the word "fundamentalists" that was in the title of the article. So one of your points isn't even valid. The second, "American Taliban" is perfectly apropos in light of conservatives stated goal of wanting to "restore biblical law". So yes, your cries were false equivalencies.

(Bolding and hiliting mine)

Can you point to where someone speaking for all conservatives have stated that the goal of conservatism is to "restore biblical law?" I think you will only find fringe elements who get a lot of media attention but don't represent most conservatives.

But I think you know that and you are trying to discredit all conservatives by holding up their fringe elements. Two can play at that game, but how can we have honest discussions about the real issues when both sides are going to fling propaganda?

 

[keale]

(Bolding and hiliting mine)

Can you point to where someone speaking for all conservatives have stated that the goal of conservatism is to "restore biblical law?" I think you will only find fringe elements who get a lot of media attention but don't represent most conservatives.

But I think you know that and you are trying to discredit all conservatives by holding up their fringe elements. Two can play at that game, but how can we have honest discussions about the real issues when both sides are going to fling propaganda?

You should know that no one speaks for everyone whether conservative or liberal. That being said only one of them will trot out wacky presidential candidates. The fringe elements of the GOP is screaming the loudest and now the tail is wagging the dog.

According to an article published by the Daily Beast Sunday, GOP presidential candidates Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have “deep ties” to a “fringe fundamentalist movement” known as Dominionism.

Dominionism is defined as the tendency of politically active conservative Christians to try to control government. Writer Michelle Goldberg simplifies the definition down to: “a movement ... which says Christians should rule the world.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...nd-rick-perry/2011/08/15/gIQAydn5GJ_blog.html

 

[Tony]

Yawn. I'll care when it happens.

You're constantly whining about the potential of left-wing caused injustices despite the fact that they are extremely remote, but in the face of potential right-wing injustice we get a *yawn*.

That sure does show where your "values" are.

 

[BenBurch]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/falwell.asp

 

[Tony]

Can you point to where someone speaking for all conservatives have stated that the goal of conservatism is to "restore biblical law?"

Can you point to where someone speaking for all conservatives have said anything?

I think you will only find fringe elements who get a lot of media attention but don't represent most conservatives.

Elected members of congress are "fringe elements"?

But I think you know that and you are trying to discredit all conservatives by holding up their fringe elements. Two can play at that game, but how can we have honest discussions about the real issues when both sides are going to fling propaganda?

Not at all. This is mainstream conservatism. Nothing fringe about it.

 

[Tony]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/falwell.asp

Don't you get it Ben? White conservatives are allowed to say "God damn America".

 

[xjx388]

Can you point to where someone speaking for all conservatives have said anything?

Exactly my point. You are painting all people who call themselves "conservatives" with the same brush. Not very accurate at all.

Elected members of congress are "fringe elements"?

Like who? Which elected member of congress advocates teaching genocide to school children?

Not at all. This is mainstream conservatism. Nothing fringe about it.

So you assert. But you haven't demonstrated that mainstream conservatives want to teach genocide to school children.

 

[xjx388]

Don't you get it Ben? White conservatives are allowed to say "God damn America".

Another illustration of my point. Apparently you think it's OK when Obama's pastor, who Obama (a candidate for and now sitting President) sat and listened to for 20 odd years, spreads lies and propaganda but not OK when the other side does it?

It goes both ways.

 

[jj]

So are you saying, we should expect an American genocide?

It's clearly what some of the more far-out religious right wing types are calling for.

Look at the denial of medical care to the gay guy in NJ, the murder of the abortion doctor, the breakins, hate messages, etc, the gay couple is presently getting (and the cops are ignoring it completely), the other hate rhetoric in this forum wherein "liberal" is associated falsely with every bad thing in the universe, ...

The right has, truly, issued a call to civil war. What else can Bachman's "2nd amendment remedy" be?

 

[WildCat]

Damn stupid Amalekites, they deserved everything they got! (shakes fist)