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Ed How Christian Fundies (aka Conservatives) plan to teach genocide to schoolchildren

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/30/christian-fundamentalists-plan-teach-genocide

The Bible has thousands of passages that may serve as the basis for instruction and inspiration. Not all of them are appropriate in all circumstances.

The story of Saul and the Amalekites is a case in point. It's not a pretty story, and it is often used by people who don't intend to do pretty things. In the book of 1 Samuel (15:3), God said to Saul:

"Now go, attack the Amalekites, and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
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The American Taliban wants to use the government to spread its message of violence and hate. They've already lost the war, secularism and freedom are on the march. But that doesn't mean they can't create a pile of bodies trying to set-up their Christian utopia.

ETA: Can the mods correct my spelling mistakes in the title please
 
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Tony said:
The American Taliban wants to use the government to spread its message of violence and hate. They've already lost the war, secularism and freedom are on the march. But that doesn't mean they can't create a pile of bodies trying to set-up their Christian utopia.
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So are you saying, we should expect an American genocide?
 
Caper said:
So are you saying, we should expect an American genocide?
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I don't think it will get that far. But I would not be surprised if there was an uptick of Christian-conservative violence in the next few decades.
 
Tony said:
I don't think it will get that far. But I would not be surprised if there was an uptick of Christian-conservative violence in the next few decades.
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That's a pretty open-ended prediction, sort of like saying that the Los Angeles Kings will beat the New Jersey Devils in seven games or less.

What leads you to believe that there will be an uptick of Christian-conservative violence? And who will it be perpetrated against and why? If 9-11 hasn't triggered any major increase in sectarian violence here in the US, then what event could?

Michael
 
coalesce said:
That's a pretty open-ended prediction, sort of like saying that the Los Angeles Kings will beat the New Jersey Devils in seven games or less.
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I don't think it is a foregone conclusion, which is why I am hesitant to say it will happen with certainty. But I do think events such as these plant the seeds for such violence.

What leads you to believe that there will be an uptick of Christian-conservative violence?
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The rhetoric I see both on the web and at conservative rallies (and from conservative politicians). There is a clear belief amongst segments of conservative voters that people who are not conservative are intentionally trying to destroy the US. We also see more and more christian groups openly preaching hate against non-christians and homosexuals.

And who will it be perpetrated against and why?
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Non-christians and homosexuals. Because they are evil/immoral/working for Satan/trying to destroy the US/persecuting Christians.

If 9-11 hasn't triggered any major increase in sectarian violence here in the US, then what event could?
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I think the perception that they've unjustly lost their power and influence in American society to people they perceive as being evil is a greater motivator to violence to extremist Christians than 9-11 was.
 
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/30/christian-fundamentalists-plan-teach-genocide



The American Taliban wants to use the government to spread its message of violence and hate. They've already lost the war, secularism and freedom are on the march. But that doesn't mean they can't create a pile of bodies trying to set-up their Christian utopia.

ETA: Can the mods correct my spelling mistakes in the title please
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This seems like a very small minority of Christians pushing this kind of agenda. Yet you paint all conservatives with the same brush. Propaganda, perhaps?:rolleyes:
 
xjx388 said:
This seems like a very small minority of Christians pushing this kind of agenda. Yet you paint all conservatives with the same brush. Propaganda, perhaps?:rolleyes:
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Yes he seems totally unaware of the history of the Klu Klux Clan
 
If this happens, it's because extremist Christians like this are being marginalized, especially inside the wider Christian community.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't creationism part of the curriculum in some midwest states?
 
Tony said:
I don't think it is a foregone conclusion, which is why I am hesitant to say it will happen with certainty. But I do think events such as these plant the seeds for such violence.

The rhetoric I see both on the web and at conservative rallies (and from conservative politicians). There is a clear belief amongst segments of conservative voters that people who are not conservative are intentionally trying to destroy the US. We also see more and more christian groups openly preaching hate against non-christians and homosexuals.

Non-christians and homosexuals. Because they are evil/immoral/working for Satan/trying to destroy the US/persecuting Christians.

I think the perception that they've unjustly lost their power and influence in American society to people they perceive as being evil is a greater motivator to violence to extremist Christians than 9-11 was.
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OK, I see your point. I misunderstood your OP as a foregone conclusion instead of speculation. But as others have pointed out, these elements are the fringe and are being increasingly marginalized, whether they like it or not. And they don't like it, hence their overreaction and paranoia.

Michael
 
Tony said:
There is a clear belief amongst segments of conservative voters that people who are not conservative are intentionally trying to destroy the US. We also see more and more christian groups openly preaching hate against non-christians and homosexuals.
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More then when? The 80's? The 30's?
 
carlitos said:
Ah yes, those people and their rhetoric. :rolleyes:
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When I start saying conservatives are working for Satan you'll have a point. Until that happens, your cries are nothing but false equivalencies.
 
coalesce said:
But as others have pointed out, these elements are the fringe and are being increasingly marginalized, whether they like it or not.
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I agree that they are marginalized culturally, but I don't think they are marginalized politically, or that they are even that far on the fringe politically. I think their influence has only increased in the Republican party. Of course, I would consider it good news if this were wrong. But the charges flying around of candidates being "moderate" and not conservative enough remind me of totalitarian movements that seek to purge member who aren't ideologically "pure" enough.

They've even gone as far as calling for the removal of a Jewish speaker of the House here in Texas because he wasn't a Christian.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/54230/texas-tea
 
Tony said:
When I start saying conservatives are working for Satan you'll have a point. Until that happens, your cries are nothing but false equivalencies.
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Incorrect, and I made no "cries;" I just pointed out your pot/kettle problem.
 
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