How can "911 truth" be "the truth" when...

carlitos said:
You can post links after you have 15 posts. It's strictly to keep spambots from doing their thing.

You need 50 posts to have an avatar and signature.
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It seems that cromleckderennes has given up the attempt to get an avatar.
 
As for "boxcutters," they were a bit more serious than that. More like a Stanley carpet-cutting knife. Go ahead and grab that blade. Easy, right?

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carlitos said:
As for "boxcutters," they were a bit more serious than that. More like a Stanley carpet-cutting knife. Go ahead and grab that blade. Easy, right?

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A piece of cake for brave armchair truther warriors who will be in our faces for the rest of our lives. They are not even within a light year of our faces.
 
Horatius said:
Well, he's had a bunch of posts moved to AAH, so he'll have to reset his game clock....
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He doesn't need an avatar to post his full theory of the events of 911. We await with bated breath. I predict more links to crackpot websites.
 
Oh boy oh boy oh boy. I better get my post count up. I have an avatar and sig that will blow this whole cover-up out of the water!
 
cromleckderennes said:
Cell phones suffer from a problem called Cell Cascading when several cell are in range in a fast moving object.
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You're falling for the same fallacies that anyone who's read Dewdney's work uncritically has fallen for. Basic information on his claims can be found at 911Myths. Some links:
Cell signals at altitude do not automatically fail if multiple base transceiver stations (BTS's) receive them. There are a multiplicity of things that can happen, including sucking capacity off of all three instead of just one, kicking other users off a tower unnecessarily, etc. It does not mean it cannot be done. Furthermore, the calls were made when FL77 was more than 35 miles away from DC, which means Olsen called while the jet was still over the countryside and not an urban area. Which in turn means a lower density of cell phone towers and a far lowered probability of accidentally blanketing more than BTS.

cromleckderennes said:
Barbara Olson was (allegedly) on Flight 77 and we have the Black box readings for that flight. It was over 10000 ft when the call was allegedly made. Cell Cascading was guaranteed at this height, it may connect as indeed it allegedly did but would drop out when the system became confused.

Be this as it may, are you saying that the FBI agent lied under oath?
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See above. Unfortunately, you're wrong on too many counts about cell phone performance, but the ultimate, egregious error is that you're also wrong about Olsen using her cell phone. As the evidence shows, the calls Ted Olsen received were made with a GTE airfone:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Barbara_Olson_calls

Basic information must be correct first before you make your claims.

ETA: MikeW pointed out a few years ago that the 9/11 Commision Report also mentions this:
57. The records available for the phone calls from American 77 do not allow for a determination of which of four “connected calls to unknown numbers” represent the two between Barbara and Ted Olson, although the FBI and DOJ believe that all four represent communications between Barbara Olson and her husband’s office (all family members of the Flight 77 passengers and crew were canvassed to see if they had received any phone calls from the hijacked flight, and only Renee May’s parents and Ted Olson indicated that they had received such calls). The four calls were at 9:15:34 for 1 minute, 42 seconds; 9:20:15 for 4 minutes, 34 seconds; 9:25:48 for 2 minutes, 34 seconds; and 9:30:56 for 4 minutes, 20 seconds. FBI report,“American Airlines Airphone Usage,” Sept. 20, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Theodore Olson, Sept. 11, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Helen Voss, Sept. 14, 2001;AAL response to the Commission’s supplemental document request, Jan. 20, 2004.
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dafydd said:
To take a box cutter away from a person determined to use it on you all you have to do is reach out and grab it. This is common knowledge in Trutherland.
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It is. And knowing that Truthers are all about the reality of the scientific data, I am waiting for one of them to test this. I strongly urge cromleckderennes to make a movie of this. I am sure he can even sell it later to recover some of his medical expenses.

cromleckderennes seems to have dropped out of this discussion. I wonder if that's because we're being so unscientific?
 
Scott Sommers said:
cromleckderennes seems to have dropped out of this discussion. I wonder if that's because we're being so unscientific?
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The kitchen's too hot. He seemed to be more used to forums like the Daily Star and The Sun. He seems to have overlooked the fact that many members here are well-educated.
 
Can't imagine many civilians would fair well against someone trained to kill, who has been trained to see you as little more as goats for the slaughter (they slaughtered goats as part of the training). They were committed to a cause and determined to see it through.
 
cromleckderennes said:
Some will I agree

But I presume you are aware of the $1000000 advertisement put out by the Scientists for 911 truth where you have Architects, Physicists, Metallurgists and last but not least 911 victim families calling for a new investigation.

I'm new on the forum and for some strange reason I'm not allowed to post a link to this advertisement but you can find the link on Architects and Engineers for 911 truth.

You'd better have a new investigation because the likes of me and an ever increasing number of us are going to be in your face for the rest of your lives until you do.

Deal with it.

The Powers that be are probably encouraged by the continued cover up of that tragic event we've just had the anniversary of.

But next year will be interesting. It will be the 50th Anniversary on 22 November 2013

You'll notice that the questioning of this hasn't gone away and neither will the 911 questions

PS

Cue personal ad Hominum attacks from you

It seems to be all you have these days.

Cue John Lennon YOUTUBE /watch?v=dlzrNKN3rZI
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Listen, son. I was like you once. Passionately anti-establishment and all pysched up about "bringing down THE MAN". Now I'm not gonna give you the typical "it's just a phase and you'll wisen up someday" lecture because that one never worked on me either. Instead I'll give you this sincere advice:

Forget this business--temporarily. Forget 9/11 Truth and rebellion and bringing down The Man--for a few years. Focus instead on improving your own life and strengthening your own mind and body. Learn, grow, get education in a field you're passionate about, get a girlfriend, get independent. Once you're in charge of your own life and have gained experience, worldliness, and mental fortitude--THEN, you can get back to this rebellion and challenging The Man business (if, that is, you still believe all the things you used to believe. I'm betting you won't, but who knows for sure). Because then you'll be in a better position to do something about it, then you won't be risking your own future, and then you'll be mentally and physically stronger. You know how a level 1 WoW character can't win against a level 60 dragon? It's the same principle here. Focus on improving your own life and pursuing your own passions for a few years or so--THEN you can do all the revolutionary work you want, because you'll be 400% more effective.

But I'm confident that in that time you'll have learned enough to change your mind. It won't matter, though, because you'd have spent that time improving yourself and following your dreams instead of wasting your life on a wild goose chase. Wouldn't it suck to waste 4 years of your life and your hopes for the future fighting for a cause that turned out to be false? I made that mistake once. I never, EVER want to see anyone else do likewise, even if they were my worst enemy. That's why I'm telling you all this.

Belief or disbelief rests with you. Just make sure you take responsibility for the outcome.
 
This latest cult kiddie was an example of what i was talking about when i started this thread.

The terrible behavior and tactics that 911 cults train their members to use in order to spread and defend their delusions, make it too obvious that these people are not telling the truth.

I'm far from the smartest guy around, so sometimes i have to wonder how dumb one has to be to fall for this nonsense.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
note: Therm*te = 2 theories (thermite or thermate)

1) No planes hit the WTC Towers, explosives took them down.
2) No planes hit the WTC Towers, therm*te took them down.
4) Therm*te was painted on the columns.
6) Therm*te ceiling panels were used.
8) Therm*te is an explosive.
10) The buildings were prewired with explosives when they were built.
11) The buildings were prewired with therm*te when they were built.
12) There was a "48 hour power down" that allowed the explosives to be planted.
13) There was a "48 hour power down" that allowed the therm*te to be planted.
15) No planes hit the WTC Towers, explosives with therm*te fuses took them down.
17) Planes hit the WTC Towers just explosives took them down.
18) Planes hit the WTC Towers just therm*te took them down.
20) No planes hit the WTC Towers, a space beam took them down.
21) Both WTC towers were hit with civilian planes that fired missiles just before they hit.
22) Both WTC Towers were hit with military planes that fired missiles just before they hit.
23) One WTC tower was hit by a military plane, the other by a civilian plane.
24) The planes were taken over by remote control.
25) The planes were emptied of passengers and switched with remote controlled planes.
26) The Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile (American).
27) The Pentagon was hit by a submarine launched cruise missile (Russian).
28) The Pentagon was hit with a truck bomb
29) The Pentagon was hit with a military aircraft.
30) The Pentagon was flown over and a bomb was dropped.

Someone else want to continue this list for a bit?
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You have to double everything on the list. There's a final variation of "the government did it" and "the jews did it".
 
dafydd said:
The kitchen's too hot. He seemed to be more used to forums like the Daily Star and The Sun. He seems to have overlooked the fact that many members here are well-educated.
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I have the feeling from looking at some of the other forums. But I was hoping he'd come back and I could talk him into making the film. i was think we could call it Loose Change: The Final Cut.
 
I know I'm late to post in this thread but isn't calling it '9/11 Truth' considered an example of poisoning the well? Because by calling it 'truth' it automatically implies any other view point must be a lie.
 
Mudcat said:
I know I'm late to post in this thread but isn't calling it '9/11 Truth' considered an example of poisoning the well? Because by calling it 'truth' it automatically implies any other view point must be a lie.
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That's the way i see it. Right of the bat they are playing dishonest tactics with their self given label. Where I come from that is the kind of game played by those that are peddling a scam or recruiting for a cult. They wave around the word 'truth' as if merely saying the word gives them credibility. To me it's like a big red neon sign that says 'I'm lying to you'
 
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It's just a label. ;)
Not unlike homosexuals employing the word "gay" or certain atheists trying to use the word "bright". These groups neither imply that straigh folks aren't cheerful nor religious folks not smart. They don't even imply that all homosexuals are cheerful or all atheists smart.
 
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