How can "911 truth" be "the truth" when...

beachnut said:
John Lennon would not support the nonsense of 911 truth. You want the truth but you close you mind and support the lies of 911 truth. You are the own who has to post substance to support your claims, and you never will. You will say no substance, and ignore the fact you have nothing to support your claims. You have nonsense, this is substance, you can't prove you have anything to support your need for a new investigation past willful ignorance. You ignore reality and accept with no evidence the claims of 911 truth, a failed movement.

You are the one who can't handle the fact 911 truth is evidence free fantasy. You can't do anything about it past the evidence free posts you made, and will make.

John Lennon's Double Fantasy is a better title for 911 truth. What next, some quotes from Hitler? So far you have offered no reason for a new investigation, you can't list the studies already done, let alone support a single failed 911 truth claim.

Where is your substance; You have been given the truth, you prefer fantasy.
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Do you have anything other than personal attacks please?

Have you seen the advertisement put out by the Architects and Engineers yet?
 
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cromleckderennes said:
They are

They say nobody can post a url until they've made 50 posts. Look at the rules. This means you have to not accept what you are told or what YOU THINK is the case and actually look at something colloquially known as evidence.

You see.

All you have to do is ask questions and answers come flooding in.
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So you read the rules and excepted them, then found it strange that you couldn't post a link :confused:

I'm starting to see why some people need a new investigation into 911
 
cromleckderennes said:
Do you have anything other than personal attacks please?

Have you seen the advertisement put out by the Architects and Engineers yet?
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They are less than one percent of Engineers. I am an engineer, and I find Gage's claims to be junk, they are all junk. You can't do anything to change that. You ignore the facts and evidence and jump on the fantasy train of Gage. The only reason Gage is spreading lies is to make money, or he is insane; you decide.

Personal attack, you support the lies of 911 truth with nothing but talk. There is no personal attack, you have no evidence to support your claims which you adopted from others. You have nothing to offer of substance, and make empty posts.

AE for 911 truth is a failed group, you like their fantasy claims. This is not a personal attack, it is what you do, fall for fantasy and offer no evidence.

Here is where 911 belongs if it was not for their disrespect of those who died by making up lies about 911. Thermite is a lie. http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/new-fantasyland/?CMP=KNC-WDW13_NFL_DOM|G|4131503.MK.AM.01.01K3P

CD is a lie, you support lies. How is that a personal attack? You can't prove your claims, and you never will. You have fantasy claims, and you offer no math, no physics, no engineering. 11 years of failure, perfected by 911 truth.
 
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JohnG said:
And once again we see the crack investigative skills that make Truthers the envy of the world.




Cue the proper spelling of "ad hominem".
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Got any valid arguments Guv?

I clocked you now. The next time you misspell I'll report you to the spell police.
 
beachnut said:
This is all your evidence to support Gage's lies. Nothing.

Gage has fooled you. Next time take the hard courses, calculus, physics, chemistry, and become an engineer. Gage offers zero evidence to support his claims. Like Balsamo, Gage is out to make money off of the ignorance of a fringe few who believe lies and fake claims.

911 truth does not exist, and Gage has failed to make a point. His claims would be Pulitzer Prize winning, but they are fantasy. You can't prove otherwise as you ignore studies which refute all of 911 truth. Where have you been for 11 years?
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Did you look at the advertisement put out by the Architects and Engineers yet?

17 posts to go and I can give you the link.
 
cromleckderennes said:
Did you look at the advertisement put out by the Architects and Engineers yet?

17 posts to go and I can give you the link.
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Gage's group are a bunch of nuts. They offer nothing, they do nothing, they have the same evidene you have; zero.

I have seen all AE 911Truth has, it is nonsense. You like nonsense and anti-intellectual claptrap that 911 truth is. You will never offer evidence, you will ask for a new investigation, and never do more. You have done zero research on 911, and it shows when you support nuts like AE.

911 truth has no common story, they have nothing to offer. Exactly like Bigfoot and JFK CTs, no substance.

Stop SPAMMING the forum with posts so you can post links - the links to AE are worthless.

http://shop.ae911truth.org/AE911Truth-Newspaper_c13.htm
Gage, selling lies to the gullible, who can't think for themselves.
 
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cromleckderennes said:
First post of the topic

I responded with the answer

Let's have an investigation

Still saying that but you Boxcutter Conspiracy Theorists seem to have a problem with this and have taken it upon yourselves to attack me personally for not believing the people who told us there was Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq.
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The aircrew verified 19 terrorists were killing crew and passengers, the fastest way, cutting throats, pretty much ends any effort to stop the attacker. You support liars, and you do it with no evidence. 911 truth, a faith based disrespectful movement which spreads fantasy.

Your support of 911 truth essentially calls thousands of people liars. And your support of the lies of 911 truth essentially amount to apologizing for 19 murderers, 19 terrorists. Your support is based on ignorance.

AE are the dumbest on 911, since they should know better. Less than 0.1 percent of engineers are on your side; that is failure.
 
cromleckderennes said:
Is there some reason that all your posts are aimed at me personally?

Tell me why you seem to have a problem with having an investigation into this?

Not complaining by the way

I'm loving it.
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I'm only asking questions about your comments.

Show/tell me some evidence that is going to convince me a new investigation is needed.

Please don't use "some of the victims families demand an investigation" as evidence.
 
cromleckderennes said:
Did you look at the advertisement put out by the Architects and Engineers yet?

17 posts to go and I can give you the link.
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We have been looking at that **** for years now and all the fools ever put out is a rehash of the same smelly FAIL that they shoved at us last time. Like Beachnut said, the Gage gang are less that 1% of all the architects and engineers in the country. This is even smaller than the percentage of people in any profession who cannot vote, sign contracts, drive a car or posess firearms because they are bat **** crazy.

Every indication is that little Dickie Gage is one such.
 
beachnut said:
The aircrew verified 19 terrorists were killing crew and passengers, the fastest way, cutting throats, pretty much ends any effort to stop the attacker. You support liars, and you do it with no evidence. 911 truth, a faith based disrespectful movement which spreads fantasy.

Your support of 911 truth essentially calls thousands of people liars. And your support of the lies of 911 truth essentially amount to apologizing for 19 murderers, 19 terrorists. Your support is based on ignorance.

AE are the dumbest on 911, since they should know better. Less than 0.1 percent of engineers are on your side; that is failure.
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Wrong!!!!!!

I thought you people had read up on this?

The Boxcutter THEORY came from Barbara Olsen

She apparently left a message on an answer machine saying they were using boxcutters.

Slight problem with that.

An FBI Agent UNDER OATH testified at the 911 COMMISSION that Olsen's phone did indeed connect with the cell phone system during the hijackings.

FOR ZERO SECONDS

Don't you just hate it when someone produces FACTS?
 
cromleckderennes said:
Wrong!!!!!!

I thought you people had read up on this?

The Boxcutter THEORY came from Barbara Olsen

She apparently left a message on an answer machine saying they were using boxcutters.

Slight problem with that.

An FBI Agent UNDER OATH testified at the 911 COMMISSION that Olsen's phone did indeed connect with the cell phone system during the hijackings.

FOR ZERO SECONDS

Don't you just hate it when someone produces FACTS?
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Small knife or box-cutters, they both cut throats quickly and lead to incapacitation. You have to eliminate the pilots, the pilot is responsible for the passengers and they can stop the plane in seconds from being a weapon. But you are not a pilot, you are not an engineer, you seem to be a follower of crazy claims, and offer zero evidence.

BTW, using big letters does not make your fantasy better, it exposes your claims as BS.

Cell phones do work in flight, I have called my mom, I am a pilot too. The problem with cell phones in flight, besides they are not checked to see if they interfere with the aircraft navigation equipment; the noise.

What is your point. Aircrew reported the terrorists killed crew and passengers, they stabbed them, killed them. You offer nothing but woo.

You have no point. The terrorists had knives or box-cutters, so? You have fantasy, you offer nothing to support your claims, you refute your posts.
 
beachnut said:
Small knife or box-cutters, they both cut throats quickly and lead to incapacitation. You have to eliminate the pilots, the pilot is responsible for the passengers and they can stop the plane in seconds from being a weapon. But you are not a pilot, you are not an engineer, you seem to be a follower of crazy claims, and offer zero evidence.

BTW, using big letters does not make your fantasy better, it exposes your claims as BS.

Cell phones do work in flight, I have called my mom, I am a pilot too. The problem with cell phones in flight, besides they are not checked to see if they interfere with the aircraft navigation equipment; the noise.

What is your point. Aircrew reported the terrorists killed crew and passengers, they stabbed them, killed them. You offer nothing but woo.

You have no point. The terrorists had knives or box-cutters, so? You have fantasy, you offer nothing to support your claims, you refute your posts.
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Cell phones suffer from a problem called Cell Cascading when several cell are in range in a fast moving object.

Barbara Olson was (allegedly) on Flight 77 and we have the Black box readings for that flight. It was over 10000 ft when the call was allegedly made. Cell Cascading was guaranteed at this height, it may connect as indeed it allegedly did but would drop out when the system became confused.

Be this as it may, are you saying that the FBI agent lied under oath?
 
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cromleckderennes said:
Cell phones suffer from a problem called Cell Cascading when several cell are in range in a fast moving object.

Barbara Olson was (allegedly) on Flight 77 and we have the Black box readings for that flight. It was over 10000 ft when the call was allegedly made. Cell Cascading was guaranteed at this height, it may connect as indeed it allegedly did but would drop out when the system became confused.

Be this as it may, are you saying that the FBI agent lied under oath?
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The fact is cell phones can work, the other fact is they used seat back phones on 911. oops, you fall for nonsense, and forget to do reality based research.

Box-cutters are capable of killing quickly. The pilots are wearing seat-belts and shoulder harnesses, they would be easy to kill in place.

Are you saying knives or box-cutters were not used?

Sorry, I studied cell phones, and technically there is nothing stopping them from working in flight, and I have personally used a cell phone in flight, and witnessed others using them on commercial flights. But go ahead, spew nonsense you can't support with tech data. I love it when 911 truth followers post nonsense based on opinion, failing to present technical papers on the subject.

The fact is seat-back phones were used, and cell phones can work. Which explains why cell phone calls were dropping out on 911. Your support of CD nuts is based on cell phones and box-cutters? This is classic no evidence, no consistent story for 911 truth.

Where is your source? Reference; page number, document?
 
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beachnut said:
The fact is cell phones can work, the other fact is they used seat back phones on 911. oops, you fall for nonsense, and forget to do reality based research.

Box-cutters are capable of killing quickly. The pilots are wearing seat-belts and shoulder harnesses, they would be easy to kill in place.

Are you saying knives or box-cutters were not used?

Sorry, I studied cell phones, and technically there is nothing stopping them from working in flight, and I have personally used a cell phone in flight, and witnessed others using them on commercial flights. But go ahead, spew nonsense you can't support with tech data. I love it when 911 truth followers post nonsense based on opinion, failing to present technical papers on the subject. You posted stuff you made up.
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You've not studied the 911 Commission though apparently.

The box cutter myth came from Olsen's answering machine from a cell phone call that never took place.

Now if you want to know more you can go to the 911 Commission and read it. This is not rocket science.

Or you can try to continue appease your sourie outside of your comfort zone.

What's it to be? I'm happy, but I have to go right now. But I'll be back later to continue to poke you sheep through the sheep pen fence later.
 
leftysergeant said:
We have been looking at that **** for years now and all the fools ever put out is a rehash of the same smelly FAIL that they shoved at us last time. Like Beachnut said, the Gage gang are less that 1% of all the architects and engineers in the country. This is even smaller than the percentage of people in any profession who cannot vote, sign contracts, drive a car or posess firearms because they are bat **** crazy.

Every indication is that little Dickie Gage is one such.
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It's not been out for years old chum.
 
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