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House Impeachment Inquiry

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dasmiller said:
Actually, I think Giuliani was running something of a rogue operation that got Yovanovitch fired, but that's a separate issue from Trump's "perfect" quid pro quo.
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Several people in the thread seemed to have missed some of the news reports where Trump personally told various people to deal with Rudy.

Either that or I have a false memory. I'll find some links after I check more of the posts and thread.
 
Segnosaur said:
Meanwhile there appears that Bolton is teasing people with more details:

From: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/08/politics/john-bolton-lawyer-ukraine-information/index.html
Former national security adviser John Bolton has "personal knowledge" of relevant meetings and conversations "that have not yet been discussed in testimonies thus far" as part of the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, but he is still refusing to testify until a federal judge rules in an ongoing legal fight between House committees and the White House, according to his lawyer.

To be honest I'm not really sure what his angle is. He is waiting for a legal ruling regarding his immunity from prosecution, but I doubt a judge really cares what he might talk about when debriefed.
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At some point that's bound to come up.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Several people in the thread seemed to have missed some of the news reports where Trump personally told various people to deal with Rudy.

Either that or I have a false memory. I'll find some links after I check more of the posts and thread.
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Well, for one, the President of the Ukraine was told to deal with Rudy. That's in the transcript.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Sad thing is that repetitively linking “Biden” with “corruption” has apparently achieved its goal: driving the Democratic front runner down to fourth place.

These are tried and true tactics, and I’m not sure what the defense is.
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I don't think that was the only variable.

But, without any corruption or anything unethical on Biden's part, it does taint him as 'politics as usual', something that already bothered a lot of people. Add in he's an old white guy, and you have the thing a lot of people don't want to see just start up again.
 
acbytesla said:
Exactly, if Schiff is smart, he will say sure, we'll let the GOP depose Hunter Biden. That is if the administration not only frees everyone in the government to fully cooperate with the impeachment inquiry but ORDERS IT! No more ******* around.

As for the whistleblower "Go to hell". The whistleblower law was specifically enacted so government officials could bring to attention important concerns without being worried about reprisal. It would send a disastrous signal to future employees if Congress and the government were to prove itself untrustworthy. There is NOTHING the whistleblower reported that hasn't been confirmed by other sources.
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I like this idea.
 
Looks like Bolton has a book deal with Simon and Schuster.

Let me see if I can muster up some surprise......................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Nope.
 
CapelDodger said:
I doubt many Democratic voters actually believe Biden's corrupt; I think they just don't want this thing dominating the campaign, especially when they find Hunter Biden's activities rather distasteful. As, I imagine, do most of us.
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This ^ is another way to put it.
 
Re: Trump repetitively linking Biden and corruption “leading to” Biden’s fall in the polls...

Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't think that was the only variable.
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PhantomWolf also pointed this out, and I’ll plead guilty to the obvious fallacy. I actually considered it as I was typing, but the correlation seemed so strong - it’s exactly the same strategy Trump used against his Republican rivals in the primaries. And it worked then as well.

It’s so hard to defend against. Every time the press or Biden assert the corruption stories are made up, it still links Biden with corruption on some subconscious level. Kind of like Brian denying he is the Messiah!
 
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Craig4 said:
I don't want to tell anyone their job here but if you're redacting things already...
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More interesting, I think, is that the redacted transcipt is still damning, and Trump cleared it. One might ask "What was Trump thinking?" if one suspected thought came into it. I suspect sabotage myself. Someone told Trump " We've scrubbed it", and he took it on faith.
 
acbytesla said:
That's why Congressional Republicans need to think this through and look beyond this moment.
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That's why I'm convinced when the whole picture is out there in the public sphere, GOP Senators are going to be under a lot of pressure to convict Trump, and if not, maybe the Democrats can take back the Senate.
 
CapelDodger said:
I think the moment they should have looked beyond has long passed. Now they have, as we old acid-heads used to say, bought the ticket and have to take the ride.
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Except the ride is not likely to get better. They need to find a way as a group to get off the ride at the same time.
 
CapelDodger said:
More interesting, I think, is that the redacted transcipt is still damning, and Trump cleared it. One might ask "What was Trump thinking?" if one suspected thought came into it. I suspect sabotage myself. Someone told Trump " We've scrubbed it", and he took it on faith.
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He was thinking that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue in New York and still get elected so he didn't care what was in the transcript.
 
acbytesla said:
Except the ride is not likely to get better. They need to find a way as a group to get off the ride at the same time.
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Well, right now they're collectively like that apocryphal guy who came to believe he was superman, standing on top of a building, thinking about jumping off, because he thinks he can fly.
 
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