horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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I don’t see any reason at all to blame homeless people for this but someone mentioned that they were unlikely to be around in this area. That’s not true - one, that’s where the best money is from panhandling and two, the “lower” streets are warm for sleeping. Besides escaping the wind rain and snow, high rise building exhaust air vents warm certain areas down there and you’ll see clusters of homeless around them.
 
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“Jussie is so honored to perform for his fans, friends and family on Saturday night. However, please forgive us. For security reasons, we cannot accommodate any meet & greets. Your meet & greet upgrade can either be refunded or donated to the Black AIDS Institute in your name,” said the email provided to ABC News.
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The Black AIDS Institute. You read that right. An establishment dedicated to combating the scourge of AIDS... in black people only.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Smollett isn't normally there, I think, so the homeless probably rarely see him.

He only arrived that night.
It seems like the single digit (F) temps probably kept the homeless off the streets.

I still don't think he really needed medical attention.

But yeah, the whole thing is an odd puzzle.
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Hmmm.....that throws a monkey wrench into my theory, either the brief "homeless attack" version to which you were responding directly, or the longer, more thought out version. I assumed in that one it was by people familiar with his habits.

If they recognized him, everything else still fits, but only at a real stretch. They would decide spontaneously on the bleach and noose attack? That would be very weird.

Whatever happened, something is weird. It's weird to fake hate attacks. It's weird to attack random people on the street, but both have happened at one time or another.

When all is said and done, I got nothing. Detectives, do your duty.



But if this had been an Agatha Christie novel, that whole bleach thing would have been a great insight, and the key to solving the case. If only he had been walking home from the pub with some fish and chips instead of leaving a Subway.
 
Meadmaker said:
Hmmm.....that throws a monkey wrench into my theory, either the brief "homeless attack" version to which you were responding directly, or the longer, more thought out version. I assumed in that one it was by people familiar with his habits...
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There's also Twitter, facetime etc. He might keep in touch with his followers by giving them something called updates as to his whereabouts, gigs etc.
 
baron said:
No. Children are not the same as adults and have different needs. Are you saying blacks are not the same as whites?
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They definitely do not always have access to the same resources or socioeconomic priority, which is the reason focused initiatives like this have long been necessary.
 
Checkmite said:
They definitely do not always have access to the same resources or socioeconomic priority, which is the reason focused initiatives like this have long been necessary.
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I doubt the majority of whites with HIV and AIDS are particularly privileged either.
 
theprestige said:
In a world with plenty of partisan SJW crap that merits legitimate scorn... This isn't one of them. Please reconsider resorting to this kind dick rhetoric.
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That must be why the organisation refers to itself as 'unapologetic' on its website; because there's nothing to be apologetic about. That Smollett specifically chose this as a charity to which the fans he blew off could contribute their money says something about his politics - Yeah, give to this charity... that helps only black people overcome illness. You may be too PC to consider this BS, I am not.
 
sadhatter said:
I read your post and I hear a parson so afraid of sounding bigoted they can't stand behind the statement that the evidence doesn't fit the story. Instead concocting a very unique racially motivated attack to explain some of many inconsistencies.
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I read it and thought to myself "this is a person who has either watched way, way too much television in their life or is constitutionally incapable of ever saying anything negative about a PoC - or both"

Some people have to provide themselves about 18 feet thick of protective padding before they even delicately tip their toe in the pool of expressing doubt about a PoC.

I was accused earlier in this thread of pretty much having a policy of defaulting to not believing black people. Truth be told, that's fairly accurate and I think it's pretty well justified by reality and it serves me well.

It is obviously susceptible to nuance and specific situational considerations. Under some circumstances, and with certain black people, I would trust their word fairly well - but the circumstances in this case push me far in the other direction.

This case stinks - badly.

I would think this board would have a higher-than-average awareness of how many hate crime hoaxes there are and default to more skepticism of this case - given how absurd it is and how the evidence is already shaping up.
 
I don't see why the attackers need to be homeless.

Try this on for size.

Two local yobs decide that they are going to use the almost deserted streets as an opportunity to "get" a random black person, like the good old days.

So they arm themselves with some kind of cleaning product, and a cord, and go out looking for a likely victim. (Someone smaller than themselves, black and ideally distracted.)

The recognise the victim on his way to the Subway, and decide he's the ideal target (black, liberal, gay, smaller than themselves etc.)

They then keep watch and "blindside" the victim, knocking him to the ground when he is on his way back home, before excitedly delivering their messages, (i.e. the cleaning product, the cord, and the babbled slogans).

I would have thought the messages are quite clear:

1. Cleaning product to wash the black off (or the "stank").
2. Cord to remind the person of racial violence in the past.
3. Slogans along the lines of (MAGA country is anywhere that right-thinking Americans are) i.e. don't you dare feel safe.

I'm really disappointed that a number of posters here do not have sufficient empathy to imagine a person's state of mind after being on the receiving end of something like that.
 
baron said:
That must be why the organisation refers to itself as 'unapologetic' on its website; because there's nothing to be apologetic about.
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That's exactly why. As often as society insists that black people apologize simply for being black, the answer is now "No, pound sand." We no longer have to grovel for every white person who walks by simply to avoid torture or death, so we don't.

That Smollett specifically chose this as a charity to which the fans he blew off could contribute their money says something about his politics - Yeah, give to this charity... that helps only black people overcome illness. You may be too PC to consider this BS, I am not.
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Considering that a rather large percentage of Empire fans are black, and the rest probably don't mind a charity for black people (since, you know, they watch Empire), I don't see the issue.

These arguments get so incredibly old:

"Black people should pull themselves up by the bootstraps, the way white immigrants did."

"Well, white immigrants received massive government aid, but fine."

"NO NOT LIKE THAT!"

Don't like having organizations to aid black people only? Then get the government to invest in black communities the same way they've done for white communities. Until then, stop whining.

Or do whine. But we won't change, and it only makes you look like a bigot.
 
Meadmaker said:
Hmmm.....that throws a monkey wrench into my theory, either the brief "homeless attack" version to which you were responding directly, or the longer, more thought out version. I assumed in that one it was by people familiar with his habits.
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Who says they aren't? It's not all that difficult to keep track of famous people's travels, since they tend to have a number of public events wherever they go, cameras tracking them, and so forth.
 
Did Ryan Lochte ever come out and admit to highly embellishing his version of the Olympic stickup, or did he just keep quiet til the whole thing cooled down?
 
novaphile said:
I don't see why the attackers need to be homeless.

Try this on for size.

Two local yobs decide that they are going to use the almost deserted streets as an opportunity to "get" a random black person, like the good old days.

So they arm themselves with some kind of cleaning product, and a cord, and go out looking for a likely victim. (Someone smaller than themselves, black and ideally distracted.)

The recognise the victim on his way to the Subway, and decide he's the ideal target (black, liberal, gay, smaller than themselves etc.)

They then keep watch and "blindside" the victim, knocking him to the ground when he is on his way back home, before excitedly delivering their messages, (i.e. the cleaning product, the cord, and the babbled slogans).

I would have thought the messages are quite clear:

1. Cleaning product to wash the black off (or the "stank").
2. Cord to remind the person of racial violence in the past.
3. Slogans along the lines of (MAGA country is anywhere that right-thinking Americans are) i.e. don't you dare feel safe.

I'm really disappointed that a number of posters here do not have sufficient empathy to imagine a person's state of mind after being on the receiving end of something like that.
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except that they don't show up on any of those 35,000 cameras. Not on any. And our victim has only a one minute window in which the event could have happened. That says where and when the Fantasy Perps would have been. Nope. Never happened.
 
casebro said:
except that they don't show up on any of those 35,000 cameras. Not on any. And our victim has only a one minute window in which the event could have happened. That says where and when the Fantasy Perps would have been. Nope. Never happened.
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Except of course for the two people that did appear on the cameras and disappeared just before the attack.
 
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