horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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novaphile said:
Except of course for the two people that did appear on the cameras and disappeared just before the attack.
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Yeah, they were walking in the wrong direction 15 minutes before the “attack.”

Just before? Where did you get that bull **** from?

Seriously, this douchebag has already done enough damage to Chicago with his tale, I am going to have to ask whether you are just making that ******* nonsense up? Details.
 
Oh yeah, Jussie going live soon!

Gonna sing to a live sold out crowd!

He has a totes strong soul, and a next level race grift skill.
 
I wonder if the cops are having the same conversation that’s going on here. Are they going back and forth in the squad room or the local blue bar discussing if the incident occurred as reported by Smollett and his friend or if there is suspicion that it didn’t happen the way it was reported or didn’t happen at all?

If the official who stated that the area was saturated with cameras is correct, then I would like to see a compilation of videos of Smollett’s route beginning at Subway - if I were the forum detective - whatever videos that can be found. I understand why someone would be reluctant to hand over their phone but at least he should allow the call record to be analyzed because the timing and length of the call could narrow the focus on the area where it would have occurred.

If he has done neither, then has Smollett at least provided the exact route he took from Subway to his friend’s place? Maybe Subway has interior cameras as well as exterior. Maybe it can be determined if he already has the mark on his face or not. Perhaps the reported incident began there with other customers. Maybe the reported perps were in Subway too.

If a compilation of videos of the man on that route could be made even if there are gaps in it, and even if by some chance the gaps are large enough to allow enough time for the reported incident to have occurred, I, as a forum detective here, would still like to examine the behavior of Smollett as he walks.

Did his gait and mannerisms change between Subway and his friend’s place? Is he walking slower from the reported beating or faster to reach safety or does it appear to be the same? Did he appear to be more cautious at the end of the route, looking behind himself, or did he appear to be walking as he did when he left Subway? Did the appearance of his clothing change in any way?

As a forum detective here, I must examine those videos not only seeking the reported incident itself but to evaluate Smollett’s behavior. I hope the cops are doing the same. Every little bit helps.
 
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Mike! said:
If you're homeless, at 2 am, in 5 degree weather, and you are going through the trouble of assaulting a sandwich packing celebrity, isn't it reasonable safe to assume you'd be hungry? I always thought hunger and homelessness went pretty much hand in hand, so I'd also assume, if you are going though the trouble of knocking him down, yelling this is MAGA country, dousing him with your last cup of bleach, and leaving behind your best belt, that you might just go ahead and relieve your victim of their Subway fresh sandwich in the process. Pure speculation on my part, as I've never been outright homeless in sub freezing temperatures, mind you. But it seems like something even a crazy homeless person or two would do, given the opportunity.
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Oh, I don't believe the scenario. SkepticTank sees a mention of homeless people in a hypothetical and makes the astonishing (to normal people) claim that homeless people wouldn't be X or Y or Z. Knowing ST, that's because he assumes that the homeless have elected to live in a homogenous utopia of like-thinking individuals and there is no divergence of culture, race, religion or lifestyle.
 
Myles said:
I wonder if the cops are having the same conversation that’s going on here. Are they going back and forth in the squad room or the local blue bar discussing if the incident occurred as reported by Smollett and his friend or if there is suspicion that it didn’t happen the way it was reported or didn’t happen at all?

If the official who stated that the area was saturated with cameras is correct, then I would like to see a compilation of videos of Smollett’s route beginning at Subway - if I were the forum detective - whatever videos that can be found. I understand why someone would be reluctant to hand over their phone but at least he should allow the call record to be analyzed because the timing and length of the call could narrow the focus on the area where it would have occurred.

If he has done neither, then has Smollett at least provided the exact route he took from Subway to his friend’s place? Maybe Subway has interior cameras as well as exterior. Maybe it can be determined if he already has the mark on his face or not. Perhaps the reported incident began there with other customers. Maybe the reported perps were in Subway too.

If a compilation of videos of the man on that route could be made even if there are gaps in it, and even if by some chance the gaps are large enough to allow enough time for the reported incident to have occurred, I, as a forum detective here, would still like to examine the behavior of Smollett as he walks.

Did his gait and mannerisms change between Subway and his friend’s place? Is he walking slower from the reported beating or faster to reach safety or does it appear to be the same? Did he appear to be more cautious at the end of the route, looking behind himself, or did he appear to be walking as he did when he left Subway? Did the appearance of his clothing change in any way?

As a forum detective here, I must examine those videos not only seeking the reported incident itself but to evaluate Smollett’s behavior. I hope the cops are doing the same. Every little bit helps.
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Having been privy to numerous conversations among Chicago cops, none of them believe this clown
 
Skeptic Tank said:
I read it and thought to myself "this is a person who has either watched way, way too much television in their life or is constitutionally incapable of ever saying anything negative about a PoC - or both"

Some people have to provide themselves about 18 feet thick of protective padding before they even delicately tip their toe in the pool of expressing doubt about a PoC.

I was accused earlier in this thread of pretty much having a policy of defaulting to not believing black people. Truth be told, that's fairly accurate and I think it's pretty well justified by reality and it serves me well.

It is obviously susceptible to nuance and specific situational considerations. Under some circumstances, and with certain black people, I would trust their word fairly well - but the circumstances in this case push me far in the other direction.

This case stinks - badly.

I would think this board would have a higher-than-average awareness of how many hate crime hoaxes there are and default to more skepticism of this case - given how absurd it is and how the evidence is already shaping up.
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This is just so funny. Meadmaker, that crazy PC guy who can't bring himself to insult a black guy. Yeah, that's pretty much my rep around here.


Elsewhere, you can find plenty of folks saying I'm obviously a racist, just pretending to be a supporter of Democrats. Go figure. So many people have me all figured out, but they can't agree on what they've figured.

One thing some people have tried, with varying degrees of success, is just read what I write, and don't try to assign membership into any tribe. It just doesn't work well.

As for this case, I agree that there are elements of this guy's story that make it practically unbelievable. The problem is, there are elements of this guy's story that made practically every version of events unbelievable. Nothing fits.

People have made a great deal about the fact that he wore the noose for a long period of time. Hmmm.....yes. That is very suspicious. However, it's suspicious if his story is true, or if his story is false. If you're going to stage an attack story, you don't wander around wearing a noose. You get your props ready, go to the "scene of the crime" you have chosen, put them all around and call the cops.

And then there's the bleach. What's up with the bleach? As far as I know, it has no racist connotations. Sure, it would turn things white, and it would clean up filth, but those are post-hoc rationalizations. It isn't something that was associated with racist attacks prior to this event. If he was planning to fake a racist attack, wouldn't he use stereotypically racist props? The noose is a good choice. That's got a long storied tradition among racists, but bleach? Where the heck did that come from?

It's very suspicious that the attack wasn't caught on camera, what with all the cameras in the neighborhood, but then again, it's very suspicious that the fakery wasn't caught on camera. I haven't delved deeply into the evidence, looking at maps of his alleged travels that night, or where he first showed up with the noose, of where he claims he was attacked. If it's a fake, he had to go somewhere and deploy the props at that point. If he is seen carrying an odd container of liquid and/or a noose before the alleged attack, then the jig is up. He's busted.

No matter which scenario you believe, there are oddities. So, I thought I had come up with something that would fit with all the available evidence, even the bleach, but the fact that this was his first night in town really makes that scenario one heck of a stretch.

So, I don't know what to make of it. More evidence is required.
 
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The Big Dog said:
Uh oh, getting doubt from Australia.

Oh noes

Lolz.

Imagine someone from Chicago talking to Chicago cops.

Put another shrimp on the Barbie
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No, I don’t believe that you would vacate your “outraged from Chicago” position long enough to communicate with anyone, let alone hard pressed Chicago cops. So I’m calling your post a lie.
 
Meadmaker said:
This is just so funny. Meadmaker, that crazy PC guy who can't bring himself to insult a black guy. Yeah, that's pretty much my rep around here.
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I was somewhat inspired by your post itself but more just riffing on what the guy who responded to you had said and generalizing.

Truth be told, it is very hard for me to keep track of posters here and what their general mindset is.

There are a couple of people here who I register very strongly when I see their avatar and clearly remember "oh yeah that's someone I never agree with" or "oh that guy, he's fairly sharp" but I think I disappear from here for too long of stretches and have too poor of a memory for much more than that.
 
The Big Dog said:
Uh oh, getting doubt from Australia.

Oh noes

Lolz.

Imagine someone from Chicago talking to Chicago cops.

Put another shrimp on the Barbie
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Why would you put a prawn on your dress-up doll? (But what a man does in the privacy of his own home is really none of my concern so if you choose to take the fifth on that, we'll understand.)

And worry not, you get doubt from all over the world.

We don't doubt that you may have spoken to a Chicago cop. I've spoken to New York cops. I wouldn't pretend to know what they think of any particular case, though, unless I'd directly spoken to them on the subject.

So, suffice it to say that the probability is that you're getting your facts from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.
 
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