horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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Whip said:
yet you called anyone who doesn't believe the evidence-less attack happened 'white supremacists' thus attacking a whole race because you don't like other's opposite opinion. seems you don't know what 'white supremacy' is.
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First, that's not how racism works, as dann said. So another miss.

Second, the white supremacists in this thread have been obvious for years, that's why they were already on my ignore list.
 
CWBChicago (a local site dedicated to exposing crime on the North Side of Chicago) is reporting that their sources are saying it is no longer a whodunit, but rather a how many were involved in Jussie's false flag hoax.

The break came in connection with the letter (which ruled out that it was a grinder date go bad).

No surprise it is not just a hoax but one that had been planned for a long time.

Oh wait, that makes me and CWBChicago:

wHiTe SUpReMaCisTsE!!!
 
baron said:
you will still claim everybody who doubted him prior to the verdict being announced is a white supremacist (even if they're black).
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That is a flat out lie. A lie that the racists are using to confuse the careful reader.

The truth is quite different: "Everyone who said for a fact it was fake and who have a history of doing it in threads involving LGBT and/or POC".

The logical person would assume it is neither fake nor real until evidence is gathered. The racist assumes it is fake first.

As can be seen in the very first page of this thread and already discussed there in my first post:

This is The End said:
In any thread, in any situation, we have to wait for facts.
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And now we have people who, instead of waiting for the facts, claimed immediately that it was fake trying to get people to believe that they were in fact the ones that were waiting for the facts.

Not going to happen. You can't go back and edit those posts.
 
Thermal said:
Does it really matter, though? Once it is determined that he was lying about the major points, isn't it trivial in what manner he may have set his stage?

I'm still going with slipped and fell in the bathtub or whatever, which would account for the injuries, and a spur of the moment 'great idea' for publicity.
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The existence of the letter argues for not "spur of the moment". Unless the letter is unrelated. He received a threatening letter with the word "MAGA" on it days before the attack.

It would be a strange coincidence if the letter was real but the attack itself was a hoax.
 
Puppycow said:
The existence of the letter argues for not "spur of the moment". Unless the letter is unrelated. He received a threatening letter with the word "MAGA" on it days before the attack.

It would be a strange coincidence if the letter was real but the attack itself was a hoax.
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Who would decline security, and go out at 1:30AM by themselves in a dangerous area, after receiving a death threat letter?
 
Hungry81 said:
I think the evidence against the attack as reported now is fairly strong. No footage of the attack. plus the report of the attack has been revised and weakened a couple of times. plus the failure to provide phone records. Now its reported that he was reluctant to report it to the police, which makes it sound like he painted himself into a corner when his friend called police, and instead of coming clean he doubled down. at this stage I think it is more likely he either fell or got into an unrelated altercation. I think false reports should be dealt with harshly. Happy to be proven wrong though. But thanks for associating me with white supremisists simply beacause I do not believe one likely lying far left hero doing his best to give credibility to the other side.
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One thing I don't understand is how a reluctance to report the crime is seen as an indication that the crime didn't happen. If this was some sort of publicity stunt, then reporting it is a pretty important part of the publicity stunt.


There are scenarios where it would still make sense. (e.g. Sex game gone wrong. Some other conflict that involved illegal action by Smollett, with the story he eventually told being the cover story...etc.) However, it makes no sense to simultaneously believe that he was seeking attention and also seeking to avoid attention.

But, whatever was going on, investigators are investigation, as they do.
 
Cracks forming...?


Jussie Smollett’s neighbors cast doubt on his attack story

https://nypost.com/2019/02/11/jussie-smolletts-neighbors-cast-doubt-on-his-attack-story/

Meanwhile, Chicago police said Sunday that Smollett has yet to turn over data from his cellphone to verify that he was on the phone with his music manager, Brandon Moore, when he was allegedly attacked.

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“We have no reason to doubt the statements, but for a criminal investigation, we need to independently confirm the phone records,” Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said.

“We offered to take the phone to download the data and he expressed he couldn’t be without his phone for several hours.”
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Last week, The Post traced Smollett’s likely route to the underpass from a 24-hour Subway sandwich shop where he bought a tuna sandwich and a salad.

Near the foot of a stairwell to the Loews, The Post found an empty hot sauce bottle that was partially filled with a clear liquid that smelled like bleach.

The Post alerted police, who seized the bottle. Guglielmi said it was turned over to the FBI for analysis.

The FBI declined to comment.
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A typical hot sauce bottle would seem a very odd choice to try to fill with bleach and then use to attack someone.

Typically they have a small shaker type opening.

Assuming this hot sauce bottle is in any way connected to anything, which after more than a week, is very questionable.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Why are people so unsure about the odor of bleach?

It's a pretty strong and distinctive odor.
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If a cop said "he smelled like some kind of sauce" the same "you are racist for not believing him" crowd would have immediately claimed that guy wore a hood in his spare time and demanded he be removed from the case, his job, and free society.

The guy likely used a weird brand of hot sauce so it would have a chemical tang (most fermented type hot sauces do) and be vaguely unpleasant to the senses to be around if high enough quantity.
 
Meadmaker said:
One thing I don't understand is how a reluctance to report the crime is seen as an indication that the crime didn't happen. If this was some sort of publicity stunt, then reporting it is a pretty important part of the publicity stunt.
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Telling people about a crime is a very different thing to asking for an investigation with enough scope to determine if your story is true. People report fake stories to their partner and/or their friends and/or their colleagues and/or the media and/or the public. Sometimes the decision to tell a lie to one person balloons unexpectedly into a need to sustain the lie to a much larger audience. I think one of the patterns that trigger people to suspect a case isn't genuine is where somebody seems to be trying to maximise the social reaction to a shocking crime they have been the victim of while showing a lack of interest, or reluctance to, have the crime properly investigated.
 
LTC8K6 said:
A typical hot sauce bottle would seem a very odd choice to try to fill with bleach and then use to attack someone.

Typically they have a small shaker type opening.

Assuming this hot sauce bottle is in any way connected to anything, which after more than a week, is very questionable.
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Very much so.

These must have been the worst attackers ever. Let's give them some help.

1. Bring some kind of disposable weapon guys. Cut down a thick pipe, pool cue, chair leg, something. Hell invest 15 bucks and get a throw away police style baton. 2 guys, one scratch? You could do better.

2. Pick a better dispersal method. Go to the dollar store, get a squirting gun. Or again, invest 15 dollars into some mace.

3. Actually make sense with your chilling statement. Only liberal folks refer to your kind as "maga" like it is a noun. People who support trump, surprisingly refer to themselves as trump supporters not "maga guys".
 
Look at this case. It is a shocking crime, but somehow not important enough to him that he can't find a way of being away from his phone for a couple of hours. It's not a hard problem to find a way around if you are remotely inclined to find a way around it. Either he is spectacularly not interested in finding the people who attacked him, or he actively doesn't want to help the police. Even if there is private stuff on his phone, I should think he and his lawyer could find some way of getting the police the data they need.
 
LTC8K6 said:
How come it wasn't big news that they found a possible bottle used in the attack?
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A hot sauce bottle dispenses this slowly and accurately.

Not a good design for a weapon, but a great one to make sure you don't get any liquid in any actual dangerous places.
 
shuttlt said:
Look at this case. It is a shocking crime, but somehow not important enough to him that he can't find a way of being away from his phone for a couple of hours. It's not a hard problem to find a way around if you are remotely inclined to find a way around it. Either he is spectacularly not interested in finding the people who attacked him, or he actively doesn't want to help the police. Even if there is private stuff on his phone, I should think he and his lawyer could find some way of getting the police the data they need.
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Like backing up and deleting the private data?

Either everyone in this situation is an idiot, or something fishy is going on.
 
Used bottles containing a small amount of weird-smelling clear liquid (usually just stagnant water tainted by whatever used to be in the bottle) aren't exactly rare. I've seen them everywhere from city streets (next to stairs or other places where people can sit is a likely place to find them) to the middle of the woods a mile from any trail.

If investigators can match the contents of the bottle to some chemical detected on Smollett's clothing, the find might have a chance of meaning something.
 
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