horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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The globes make it hard to tell what kind they are and what they are pointing at. Great advantage if you don't want bad guys to duck video, and makes the public not notice the surveillance as much
But we are told that Smollett and the investigating cop both saw immediately that the camera was pointed in the wrong direction. You are saying that a globe will prevent them from knowing.
 
The odds are pretty good. But if he isn't... well, let's just say that would be extremely informative.

After all his co stars came to his aid after the attack, and now look like fools,it would be a very uncomfortable set to work one...
 
That’s why we were only shown a grainy still of their backs, followed by their request for his phone. I have Patsy Cline singing Walking After Midnight as an earworm right now...
They are walking towards the camera in the still.
 
What can I say. One fake racism event is far worse than 100 real racism events.

It could well be. Smollett has ensured that every racist attack across the English speaking world for which there is no clear evidence will be doubted to a greater extent than would have previously been the case. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this resulted in far more than 100 investigations being abandoned too early and valid accounts being dismissed.
 
Who is the intended recipient of your inoculation, though?

Lurkers mostly. I'm well aware that those who want to deny and downplay hatecrimes won't care and/or believe me. They (people who actively post here and might believe hate crimes aren't absolutely a much, much larger problem than fake ones) don't even believe Steve King is being racist. Or, in at least one case, they agree with his racism.

I doubt anyone here thinks I was joking on the square. I think it's a safe bet that our UKian, Norse, and Kiwi members take it for granted that racism and hate in America are even worse than the Smollett attack suggested. The debunking of that attack probably won't change their minds about that at all. My joke won't fool any of them into thinking perhaps it's not as bad as they were led to believe.

Hell, even if it were true that progressive demand for hate crimes exceeded the supply, I doubt most folks here would believe it. Look at the wailing and gnashing of teeth we were subjected to in this thread, from people offended that anyone would dare to point out the obvious flaws in Smollett's story. Look at the accusations of racism leveled at those who didn't reflexively take the thing at face value.

First, like most other kinds of false reports and hoaxes the motivation probably has more personal reasons than 'progressive demand for hate crimes'.

Second, this will be the third time I've asked for a cite on the accusations of racism only for being skeptical of Smollett's account. Admittedly I only did a quick check, but the only admonishments like that I saw were 'body of work' criticisms of the posters who almost always automatically disbelieve all such accounts (like the at least two who were claiming 'false flag' about the mail bombs). Now, that isn't exactly the best line of argument either, but it is a far cry from 'if you don't believe this you're racist'. Not that your claim of such accusations is automatically unbelievable, but it does sound like a cartoon characterization of the 'libs'. ;)

I mean, I was told that I was biased for not automatically disbelieving it, so your claim isn't exactly far fetched.

Even now, you're trying to divert attention away from this ridiculous incident, replying to well-earned ridicule with this whatabout the real racism stuff. If you don't like the jokes in this thread, go start another While Black thread, or take another stab at selling the Massive Wave.

Talking about one of the most negative effects of this fake attack is not a way to divert attention away from it.

And I'll stay here thanks, but take your gracious suggestion under consideration, and perhaps go back to the thread where you straight up stated you wouldn't accept evidence of the original claim unless it were made in a new thread.
 
Any video of the fake attack ought to also show Smollett punching the brother(s) because he said that he fought back. Then he says "a tussle" which might mean grappling. Then to the ground tussling where he is kicked in the back.

It could be funny to watch because none of these guys actually want to hurt each other.
 
Problem is that it now makes it easier for the bigots to say ALL racism events are faked.
Amazed people don't seem to get this.

Bigots will be bigots no matter what.

For me, it just reminds me that journalists will cover and believe the most absurd stories (and constantly misreport) and that way less should be taken at face value
 
The police report makes no mention of race and it doesn't even imply a race. It mentions that no distinguishing features were visible at all and that would include race. If Smollett had given any indication of race it would have been in that report.

Now, we do know that he started saying things in public after that police report - things that he didn't say in the report. So the cops called him back in for more questioning. I don't know if there was then a second police report (which we haven't seen), or if there really was a second interview, or what. We know that the police kept telling us that Smollett was cooperating. But then he wouldn't give up his phone so it's sort of a mixed bag of cooperation.

It is possible that he never uttered the word "white" in any formal statement to police. Somebody else here on the forum might know more about that.

The police report makes mention of the noose. It makes mention of a chemical like bleach.

Both would be considered racist attacks.

They also yelled "MAGA Country N-word"

There is no reason to say they were white in the police report.
 
Bigots will be bigots no matter what.

For me, it just reminds me that journalists will cover and believe the most absurd stories (and constantly misreport) and that way less should be taken at face value

This too. Trump gets a lot of flak for calling the press "enemy of the people", but the truth is that the mainstream media does not have your best interests at heart. CNN is not your friend. They're not even Smollett's friend.
 
Problem is that it now makes it easier for the bigots to say ALL racism events are faked.
Amazed people don't seem to get this.

Yup. This is why I see the utility in reminding people every few pages of just some of the crazy sounding hate crimes that actually happened. It doesn't mean this attack happened, or that anyone was wrong to be skeptical of it (although it is wrong to simply dismiss it when first told).

But it does mean that fighting against the notion that there is a huge percentage of fake attacks or the crazy sounding ones are not possible would be a good thing. Balance is not achieved by skewing perceptions to a different extreme than the one you want to fight against.
 
The police report makes mention of the noose. It makes mention of a chemical like bleach.

Both would be considered racist attacks.

They also yelled "MAGA Country N-word"

There is no reason to say they were white in the police report.
It could create a situation in a courtroom. You should know what attorneys could do if the word "white" appears nowhere on the police report. It means the victim had no reason to think the attackers were white. Because if they did then it would be on the report.

We are going to try to find your attackers immediately. What race are they?
I have no idea. I already told you that.
 
But we are told that Smollett and the investigating cop both saw immediately that the camera was pointed in the wrong direction. You are saying that a globe will prevent them from knowing.

Not the cops. They know quickly, may even know the direction they point on their beats off the top of their heads, or at least when radioing in the camera number. It prevents the wannabe criminal from knowing
 
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