Homosexuality is a choice

[Piggy]

I am so using that.

It usually stops the conversation.

 

[kerikiwi]

Has anyone who thinks homosexuality is a choice ever been asked to clarify whether heterosexuality is also a choice?
Surely, if one is the other is.

 

[DC]

yeah i remember me swimming in the womb of my mother and thinking, what shall i be, Hetero-, Bi- or Homosexual, i then decided to pick Hetero. But then i made an horrible mistake, after i have picked the color of my eyes, hair and skin, i picked hairy breast and back. oh man i was born in the seventies, back then that was pretty cool and very sexy. how could i know how times change

 

[marplots]

Now that I've got a few decades under my belt, I'm starting to wonder if celibacy is a choice.

 

[PhantomWolf]

why do some folks still think that being gay or lesbian is a choice?

most science shows that gays and lesbians realize they are this way early on in life, sometimes even before puberty.

and yet, lots of folks like to talk about it...as if its a choice.

a choice, that can be changed. ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!

now I get it.

Do you think that sexuality is fixed and unalterable?

 

[kerikiwi]

Do you think that sexuality is fixed and unalterable?

Yes

 

[PhantomWolf]

Yes

So if it it impossible to alter, and genetic, it should be impossible to have one straight and one gay identical twin, right?

 

[DC]

So if it it impossible to alter, and genetic, it should be impossible to have one straight and one gay identical twin, right?

who said its genetic?

 

[kerikiwi]

So if it it impossible to alter, and genetic, it should be impossible to have one straight and one gay identical twin, right?

You've changed the question, from fixed and unalterable to fixed and genetic.
You tried a gotcha, and failed.

 

[PhantomWolf]

who said its genetic?

Well there is this....

* A lot of headway seems to be made as regards the biological origin of homosexuality. Even Mormon professors at BYU support a biological theory:

http://mormonstories.org/?p=1158

 

[PhantomWolf]

You've changed the question, from fixed and unalterable to fixed and genetic.
You tried a gotcha, and failed.

Well since the options generally given are nature and nurture or combination, and anything based on nurture would indicate that what can be learned can be unlearned, or changed, I made an assumption that you were going with nature, or genetics as the answer. If this is wrong, feel free to explain otherwise.

 

[Alan]

"Biological" does not just mean "genetic". There are things like hormonal influences before birth.

 

[SezMe]

So if it it impossible to alter, and genetic, it should be impossible to have one straight and one gay identical twin, right?

There is an error in logic here. Fraternal twins are not genetically identical.

ETA: Plus what Alan said. Even identical twins don't have the identical biological environment. Also, I would not argue that it is "impossible" to change, just damn difficult.

 

[kerikiwi]

Well since the options generally given are nature and nurture or combination, and anything based on nurture would indicate that what can be learned can be unlearned, or changed, I made an assumption that you were going with nature, or genetics as the answer. If this is wrong, feel free to explain otherwise.

Things which affect the fetus are not learned, but still affect the fetus unalterably.

 

[PhantomWolf]

"Biological" does not just mean "genetic". There are things like hormonal influences before birth.

True, however in this case we are also talking about embyros that have shared a placenta and womb and so it becomes very hard to argue that they would be exposed to a different hormonal enviroment in such a close proximity.

 

[kerikiwi]

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[PhantomWolf]

There is an error in logic here. Fraternal twins are not genetically identical.

Not talking Fraternal twins.

ETA: Plus what Alan said. Even identical twins don't have the identical biological environment.

See there is a claim that requires a lot of proof

Also, I would not argue that it is "impossible" to change, just damn difficult.

Interestingly it's easier for women than men, both ways.

 

[kerikiwi]

Interestingly it's easier for women than men, both ways.

See there is a claim that requires a lot of proof.

Do you think sexuality is a choice?
If so, what did you choose, and why?

 

[DC]

"Biological" does not just mean "genetic". There are things like hormonal influences before birth.

yep studies point into that direction rather than genetic.

 

[This is The End]

I'm not sure why some of you are looking at it as an either/or (black or white, yes or no), instead of a range with no definite points where you can say "over this line be heterosexual, over this line be homosexual, and in between are the bisexuals"....

Confusing a broad range with defined points isn't just a problem with this topic, but with many that come up (not just at the jref).

Likewise, surely there are some people (most likely a very small percentage of g/l's) that actually did make a choice (not counting bisexuals). Yet, as was already pointed out above, thinking that it is anywhere near a majority and not a tiny minority is basically absurd.