Homeopathy does work

[Mojo]

Pardon me if I've got this wrong, but isn't allopathy the old "4 humors" thing?

Yup. Western medicine abandoned this 200 years ago. Homeopaths, for some reason, still appear to be obsessed with it.

 

[Zep]

Interestingly, Dr MAS argued exactly the same point (about gamily members posting, etc) using exactly the same nonsensical arguments as Dr A. Sheikh.

What a surprise...

 

[KingMerv00]

It works in the same manner as other allopathic medicines work.

Ok. How do other allopathic medicines work and how does that apply to homeopathy?

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Prove it.

Hahnemann was not homeopath, he was an allopath, he told us, it has been proved. If you have objection then you can argue with allopaths and not to me (homeopath) If Hahnemann provide the wrong info then it was allopath who misleaded and not homeopath.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Ok. How do other allopathic medicines work

Please do not ask this question to me, you may put this question to allopath because I am not allopath.

 

[Donks]

Please do not ask this question to me, you may put this question to allopath because I am not allopath.

If you won't answer such a question, then don't make a claim such as "It works in the same manner as other allopathic medicines work."

 

[Mojo]

Please do not ask this question to me, you may put this question to allopath because I am not allopath.

OK, let's start with a basic question which is not restriced to homeopaths, allopaths or real doctors.

Dr. Sheikh, do you accept that matter (under the conditions we experience) is composed of atoms?

 

[steenkh]

It works in the same manner as other allopathic medicines work.

Please do not ask this question to me, you may put this question to allopath because I am not allopath.

So "Dr." A Sheikh does not know how homoeopathy works! It would have been easier if just said so!

 

[Nucular]

So "Dr." A Sheikh does not know how homoeopathy works! It would have been easier if just said so!

"Look! Magic beans! They'll grow into anything I want!"
"Wow, how do they work?"
"Same as the inside of your car."
"What? How do you mean? How does my car work?"
"I dunno, ask a mechanic"


Sheikh, you're ridiculous.

Why are you here on this forum?

Clearly not to talk about how homeopathy works, that's for damn certain.

 

[Ashles]

Hahnemann was not homeopath, he was an allopath, he told us, it has been proved. If you have objection then you can argue with allopaths and not to me (homeopath) If Hahnemann provide the wrong info then it was allopath who misleaded and not homeopath.

What?

So an allopath invented homeopathy.

So you can't answer any questions about homeopathy because it was an allopath who invented it?

So homeopathy is allopathy and you don't know anything about allopathy? So you can't answer any questions?

Or homeopathy is different from allopathy, but as a homeopath invented it you can't answer any questions about it?

Then how do you study homeopathy? Surely no-one can pass on the information to you unless you are an allopath, or they are an allopath. And if they are an allopath, why are they teaching homepathy?


BTW I am using 'allopath' in the incorrect way you are using it.


I'm afraid your latest attempt to avioud answering questions has backfired rather spectacularly.

 

[MRC_Hans]

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I would suggest you not worry about previously banned members and concentrate on explaining exactly why "Homeopathy does work".

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It works in the same manner as other allopathic medicines work.

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Ok. How do other allopathic medicines work

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Originally posted by Dr. A Sheikh
Please do not ask this question to me, you may put this question to allopath because I am not allopath.
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OMG! This exceeds any fantasy. And, I fear, he is not even joking.



Hans

 

[Mojo]

So let's get this clear:

Sheikh says that homeopathic remedies work in exactly the same way as "allopathic" remedies.

But he doesn't know how these remedies work because he is not an "allopath."

OK, MAS, send in your next man.

 

[Donks]

As a side note, thank god for Adblock. I just blocked that cursed laughing dog. I truly despise it. Never again will I have to see it.

 

[MRC_Hans]

So let's get this clear:

Sheikh says that homeopathic remedies work in exactly the same way as "allopathic" remedies.

But he doesn't know how these remedies work because he is not an "allopath."

OK, MAS, send in your next man.

Or, send in the clowns.



....Don't bother, they're here.

Hans

 

[Ashles]

As a slight derail (as A Sheik is unlikely to return now his lack of any sort of knowledge has been uncovered) I did a search for "Allopathy" and MedicineNet.com gave this definition:

Allopathy: The system of medical practice which treats disease by the use of remedies which produce effects different from those produced by the disease under treatment. MDs practice allopathic medicine.

The term "allopathy" was coined in 1842 by C.F.S. Hahnemann to designate the usual practice of medicine (allopathy) as opposed to homeopathy, the system of therapy that he founded based on the concept that disease can be treated with drugs (in minute doses) thought capable of producing the same symptoms in healthy people as the disease itself.

It seems to be saying that every Medical Doctor is an allopath.

Is this incorect?

I also find the definition "A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects different from those caused by the disease itself." in several other places.

So I am confused. It seems like at first glance 'allopathy' is simply a way of saying "Anything that doesn't use like-cures-like as a healing principle".

So technically doctors are allopaths, but it is also a useless description as it merely describes something they aren't i.e. using homeopathic practices. It's like defining a Christian as "Not a Buddhist" or, for those, Blackadder fans amongst us, defining a dog as "Not a cat".

Is there any more to the definition? Is it really not actually describing anything about the methods Doctors actually use?

 

[Zep]

You know, the next NCH homeopath that ventures by here...

Let's see if we can get him/her to agree that black is white. In writing. At the rate that Sheikh (who I strongly suspect was actually MAS or someone associated with MAS) backflipped and imploded spectacularly, I give it less than two weeks from commencement.

Takers?



Incidentally, can we please have a condensed version of the relevant sections of this thread sent to our sponsor, Mr Randi. I'm sure he will laugh as hard as we do!

 

[delphi_ote]

I always got the impression that our friendly Pakistani homeopaths meant "regular medicine" when they used the term "allopathy." They always seemed to refer to it with some bitterness.

So M - I mean - Sheikh was saying homeopathy works like regular medicine, which suprises me. Homeopathy was supposed to be better than allopathy. Now they're saying the two are identical.

If they're identical and you don't know how they work, how on Earth can you even joke about being a "doctor?"

 

[Darat]

...snip...

Incidentally, can we please have a condensed version of the relevant sections of this thread sent to our sponsor, Mr Randi. I'm sure he will laugh as hard as we do!

I don't think the summary would be that funny.

Pakistani homeopath: I can explain what homeopathy is.
Forum: Please do.
Pakistani homeopath: No.

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*
It seems to be saying that every Medical Doctor is an allopath.

Is this incorect?

I also find the definition "A method of treating disease with remedies that produce effects different from those caused by the disease itself." in several other places.

So I am confused. It seems like at first glance 'allopathy' is simply a way of saying "Anything that doesn't use like-cures-like as a healing principle".

So technically doctors are allopaths, but it is also a useless description as it merely describes something they aren't i.e. using homeopathic practices. It's like defining a Christian as "Not a Buddhist" or, for those, Blackadder fans amongst us, defining a dog as "Not a cat".

Is there any more to the definition? Is it really not actually describing anything about the methods Doctors actually use?

Hahnemann was the one who coined the term "allopathy". He defined four different "pathy" systems:

Allopathy: Treats by inducing symptoms that are different from those of the disease.

Antipathy: Treats by inducing symptoms that are opposite to those of the disease.

Isopathy: Treats by mimicking the disease (the isolated symptoms of the disease).

Homeopathy: Treats by inducing symptoms that match the whole symptom ptofile of the patient.

Note the "treats by inducing symptoms". Since Hahnemann was of the opinion that the sole representation of a disease was the observed symptoms (a position already under attack at his time), he concluded that the only effect of any medicine could be by the symptoms it was able to produce. Hence allopapthy is defined as a method that relies on curing by inducing symptoms other than those of the disease.

Such treatments existed at Hahnemann's time, but have no relevance to modern medicine which does not attempt to treat by inducing symptoms, instead, it relies on addressing the causes of the disease, or, in palliation, it relies on countering the symptoms from the disease (but again not by inducing symptoms). Modern medicines strive to induce as few symptoms as possible.

Therefore, the term allopathy is a misnomer when used about modern medicine, and an insulting one, because it tries to perpetuate what some (of the more rabid) homeopaths try to claim, namely that conventional medicine has not changed significantly since Hahnemann's time.

Hans

 

[Zep]

I don't think the summary would be that funny.

Pakistani homeopath: I can explain what homeopathy is.
Forum: Please do.
Pakistani homeopath: No.

Not quite that condensed!