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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Gawdzilla said:
I was pointing out that the Nazis were quite willing to let typhus run unchecked in the camps, it made their job easier. I met a camp survivor, 14 yo when she went in, who said that disease was just part of "life" there. (She was a guest speaker in Gordon Mork's class on the topic at Purdue if anyone's interested.)
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Holocaust survivors are a dime a dozen. They are everywhere.
 
Oystein said:
Maybe true for some of the camps some of the time.
But still, typhus is no explanation, as far as I can see, for the images in the OP. Typhus does not turn people turn into near-skeletons before they die, for example.
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Is it you opinion all inmates in the camps were starving to death when liberated? If you find some who are not near starvation, how would you explain that?
 
Nice of you to drop in with your string of drive-by non sequiturs.
MaGZ said:
Is it you opinion all inmates in the camps were starving to death when liberated? If you find some who are not near starvation, how would you explain that?
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What is the point of your question? Oh, just another vapid diversion.

Do you believe that the Nazis didn't murder millions of innocents as a matter of policy? Even despite the mountains of evidence that shows that they did? That's rather more to the point.

The Nazis starved their victims, shot them, gassed them, neglected them to die slowly of typhus and other disease. Millions of innocent non-combatants. This is fact.
 
MaGZ said:
Is it you opinion all inmates in the camps were starving to death when liberated? If you find some who are not near starvation, how would you explain that?
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Recent arrival? "Trustee"? There is one case of an "inmate" who turned out to be a guard trying to hide amongst the prisoners, intimidating them into silence until they refused to allow his escaping justice.

BTW, trying to nit-pick this to death just makes one look like a major loser. If that's your goal, of course . . .
 
Gawdzilla said:
Recent arrival? "Trustee"? There is one case of an "inmate" who turned out to be a guard trying to hide amongst the prisoners, intimidating them into silence until they refused to allow his escaping justice.

BTW, trying to nit-pick this to death just makes one look like a major loser. If that's your goal, of course . . .
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Not all of them.

More photos from Buchenwald:

http://www.whale.to/b/buchenwald_p.html

buchenwaldsurvivors1.jpg


"Buchenwald was mainly a camp for anti-Nazi Resistance fighters and Communists who were fighting as illegal combatants in violation of the Geneva Convention"

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/buchenwald/Liberation4.html

"Buchenwald was primarily a camp for political prisoners, who were opponents of Hitler's Third Reich. They included prominent Communists and Social Democrats, as well as French, Polish and Dutch resistance fighters, and also pastors of the Confessional Church and Catholic priests who preached against the Nazis."

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/buchenwald/Resistance.html
 
MaGZ said:
Is it you opinion all inmates in the camps were starving to death when liberated? If you find some who are not near starvation, how would you explain that?
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1) The "capo" system of rewarding inmates to look after others.
2) The date of arrest and arrival at the camps
3) Transfers between camps that had varying health and food standards
4) Internal theiving, gangs, alliances of inmates.
5) The increase beyond 1400calories for skilled inmates under Todt Orders reducing non skilled to below 1400 and starvation.

As you did not know this you need to read some basic information about how the camps worked before posting again.
 
MaGZ said:
Holocaust survivors are a dime a dozen. They are everywhere.
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So are Nazi concentration cam commandants who confessed they did it. Hoess (Auschwitz), Stangl (Sobibor & Treblinka) Eichmann, Ziereis ( Mauthausen)...... do you want the list?
 
kageki said:
Did you know there was a zoo at Buchenwald and that they showed movies to inmates amongst other things? Why did they do that if they just wanted to kill them? Who was in those camps?

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/buchenwald/Zoo.html
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The zoo was for the guards not the prisoners.

Commanders's Order No. 56 dated 8th September 1938 (Extract)

1. Buchenwald zoological gardens has been created in order to provide diversion and entertainment for the men in their leisure time and to show them the beauty and peculiarities of various animals which they will hardly be able to meet and observe in the wild.

The cinema was run by the camp for profit and charged 30 pfennings, later reduced to 20 pfennings from inmates who had no choice. In Buchenwald where a cinema had been installed, between August 1943 and December 1944, a total of 27 so-called 'concerts' were held, comprising exhibits, sketches, and artistic performances, as well as cabaret and theatre excerpts performed by various inmate groups. As long as 'normal' camp operations were not affected, other musical activities were either implicitly tolerated by the SS or took place in a semi-legal way.
http://holocaustmusic.ort.org/places/camps/
 
I'm curious as to the emphasis on Buchenwald. So what if it were a 'Holiday Camp'? All that would prove is that different camps run by the Nazis during the war were there for different reasons, something we already knew. Not all the camps were like Buchenwald, just as not all the camps were like Auschwitz Birkenau.
 
Uzzy said:
I'm curious as to the emphasis on Buchenwald. So what if it were a 'Holiday Camp'? All that would prove is that different camps run by the Nazis during the war were there for different reasons, something we already knew. Not all the camps were like Buchenwald, just as not all the camps were like Auschwitz Birkenau.
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You're not allowing for the Neo-Nasty moral calculus. This allows them to claim that everything about the Holocaust is wrong based on the assumption that something about the Holocaust is wrong. And it doesn't even have to be wrong, they just need to"get it out there" and they can then cite each other as "proof" that it is indeed wrong and so everything about the Holocaust is wrong. This web of lies is the basis for all Holocaust denial.
 
Gawdzilla said:
This web of lies is the basis for all Holocaust denial.
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And it all starts with a very notorious lie. They accept The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as proof of a great Zionist conspiracy, but it's one of the most obviously fake and completely debunked documents in history. The original didn't even refer to the Jews.

Without the big, bad global Zionist conspiracy, who would have the power and resources to create a hoax on the magnitude of the Holocaust, which is one of the most thoroughly documented horrors in modern history? This is the house of cards on which Holocaust denial rests.

We all know what the Nazis did, and it's perverse to deny it. But here we are.
 
eerok said:
And it all starts with a very notorious lie. They accept The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as proof of a great Zionist conspiracy, but it's one of the most obviously fake and completely debunked documents in history. The original didn't even refer to the Jews.

Without the big, bad global Zionist conspiracy, who would have the power and resources to create a hoax on the magnitude of the Holocaust, which is one of the most thoroughly documented horrors in modern history? This is the house of cards on which Holocaust denial rests.

We all know what the Nazis did, and it's perverse to deny it. But here we are.
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It´s basically a double-recursive Big Lie technique. Their Big Lie is that the debunking of the other Big Lie (the Protocols) is itself a Big Lie.
 
kageki said:
Yes basically I agreed to that, but I also added other people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

Gas chambers have been discussed a lot already. It's more like you need to provide the evidence that gassings did happen or even feasible. It's an unwieldy topic to start in this thread, but I will simply note again these pictures do not prove gassings or even intent in general.

How is that quibbling? Are you or not claiming that all these deaths were intentional? Big difference to me. The irony is that the gassings were supposedly in response to the epidemic.
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So, you're saying that rounding up people into prison camps for no good reason, not feeding them adequately and failing to exercise sufficient sanitation to prevent them from dying of easily preventable diseases like typhus isn't murder?
 
CORed said:
So, you're saying that rounding up people into prison camps for no good reason, not feeding them adequately and failing to exercise sufficient sanitation to prevent them from dying of easily preventable diseases like typhus isn't murder?
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You'll notice the weaseling here: "The irony is that the gassings were supposedly in response to the epidemic."
 
CORed said:
So, you're saying that rounding up people into prison camps for no good reason, not feeding them adequately and failing to exercise sufficient sanitation to prevent them from dying of easily preventable diseases like typhus isn't murder?
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Obviously not if you let them have a zoo and a movie theater! Duh!
 
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