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Holocaust Denial.

Even this stopped clock can't get it right...

As Norman Finklestein, author of the Holocaust Industry, quotes his Jewish "holocaust survivor" mother as saying, "If there are all these survivors who did Hitler kill?"

We have more Holocaust survivors collecting money from Germany, than Jews who existed in Europe during world war two.

Professor of History at Princeton, Aron Mayer, a Jew himself, argues that most of the Jews who died in Europe during world war two, died of Typhus.

The major spokesperson for the holocaust is "survivor" Elie Weisel, who wrote Night. In Night, Weisel never mentions gas chambers. This is odd, since Weisel claims to have been at Auschwitz. Elie's method of genocide was burning in open ditches. This is actually where the term "Holocaust" arose, which means burnt offerings. Elie apparently spread one of the earlier war propagandas going around about burning Jews. He didn't get to correct his novel, when the gas chamber stories were fabricated.

One of the main reasons for doubting the Holocaust is the zealous nature of the holocaust promoters, they enact laws making it a prison term for denying the Holocaust, in Europe, Austria, France, Germany, and in Canada. You have to wonder about the religious zeal that drives those who promote the Holocaust, are they mentally ill? deranged psychos? what is the mental disease that causes people to imprison those who disagree with them? We're now in an age of thought control and thought police.

But it only applies to the Jewish Holocaust. Elie Weisel wouldn't share a stage with Armenians who wanted to remember the Turkish genocide of Armenians. Only the Jewish Holocaust is worth remembering, to Elie.

Elie's Night book had another strange passage. In the last chapter, Elie says the German doctors treated his leg, but he was still recovering. Elie and his father had a choice, either wait in Auschwitz as the Russians approached and took over, or go with the Germans westward to another camp. Elie and his father chose to go with the Germans, rather than allow the Russians to take control of them. They preferred the Germans (the Germans who supposedly were executing and burning Jews every day). How was it Elie and his father escaped the executions and burnings? Elie tells us. You see, by accident, as the Germans marched thousands of Jews to their death, they would run out of time, and Elie and his father would be last in line, and be saved, each day. Some put Elie's novel in the fiction section.

Some holocaust "survivors" such as the authors of Painted Bird and Fragments, used in schools and colleges in America, were written by pretenders, who were never in any Germany concentration camp or even Jewish. Yet American schools made them required reading.

Is it anyone wonder people today in America continue to believe in the "Holocaust"? We indoctrinate well in America.

There was a real holocaust in Europe at the end of world war two. An Eye For Eye by Sacks, shows Jews exterminating Germans in Poland, after the war ended. General Eisenhower hated Germans. He deported Germans to Russia to certain death. Another 2 million Germans died in Eisenhower's POW camps, where Eisenhower had orders to shoot any German woman or child who tried to provide food to German POWs. See Other Losses by James Baque.

The fake Jewish holocaust is used not only to justify Israeli terrorism against Palestinians and to justify the Israel nation and taking of land from Arabs, but it diverts attention from the real Holocaust, the murder of millions of Germans, by Russia, America, Eisenhower and Jews. The post war Jewish refugee camps were terrorist training centers for Begin's Irgun and Jewish terrorist groups, who blew up, bombed and murdered civilians at the King David Hotel.

Franklin Roosevelt hated Germans. Truman implemented the Morgenthau Plan. They claim they didn't, but they just gave it a new name. The Morgenthau Plan was to starve Germany. Roosevelt and Churchill had firebombed Dresden and Germany civilians. It was terrorism, beyond the scope of civilized warfare. When Germany was ready to surrender, Roosevelt did his best to make the war last as long as possible, by publicizing the Morgenthau Plan, so Germany would keep fighting, so the Allies could kill more Germans.

What was the pretext for this war? Poland? We gave Poland away to Russia at the end of the war. America didn't care about Jews. Roosevelt turned the St. Louis away with a thousand Jews back to Europe.

The Holocaust was just war propaganda. We did the same thing in World War One, making up stories about German soldiers knifing Belgian babies.

Rudolf Hess risked his life for peace, flying to Britain. We charged Hess as a war criminal. The real war criminals are Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, Winston Churchill, Josef Stalin, Menachem Begin. Instead of German leaders, they should have executed Allied leaders.

Even Begin didn't consider the Nazis to be a threat. Adolf Hitler wanted a Jewish homeland. The British didn't. Begin offered to have his Irgun join with the Nazis to fight Britain. The Nazis turned Begin down.

History is written by the victors. It's court history, filled with myths of war propaganda. Real Skeptics are revisionists. Robots who follow their countries fake history are incapbable of thinking.

There are so many things wrong with this extrusion, that it would take me about three hours to delineate them all. However, while typing is time-consuming, ripping this open is not hard.

Here are some fine web resources to rip this Holocaust denial, which is nothing but recycled material:

http://www.nizkor.org/

Nizkor, which means "remembrance." Great for slicing and dicing Holocaust denier myths.

http://www.remember.org/History.root.rev.html

Holocaust Denial and the Big Lie. Addresses many common denier myths.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/

The Holocaust History Project Homepage...lots of good hard and factual answers to denier crockola, including Richard Green's technical reports on Fred Leuchter and Gerhard Scheerer/Rudolf's idiocies.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/

Holocaust Controversies, a weblog devoted to exposing deniers and their fallacies.

Read and learn.
 
Wrong answer! Thank you for playing!

Sacks wrote Eye for An Eye. Professor Deborah L. of the Holocaust Studies Department, calls Sacks worse than a Holocaust Denier. Sacks asked her why she said that. Professor Deborah L. said she didn't have time to answer, she was late for a faculty meeting.

Professor Deborah L. helped send Historian David Irving to prison in Austria, after a judgment against him in Britain.

Sacks wrote of the Jews killing Germans in Poland, as the war ended. Sacks is Jewish. Sacks wonders why no Jew ever mentions this truth.

The real holocaust was against the Germans. More Germans died in World War II, about 5 million in the war, and another 5 million after the war. The Allies and Jews wanted to exterminate Germans, that was the purpose of the Morgenthau Plan. Franklin Roosevelt's son in the military, asked Franklin Roosevelt, "Do you plan to starve Germany?" Roosevelt answered, "Why not." Roosevelt even adopted Hemmingway's line, that we should castrate German males, so Germany can't reproduce.

Franklin Roosevelt met with Stalin and told Stalin that the Allies should adopt Stalin's plan to execute summarily 50,000 German leaders. Stalin told Roosevelt that Stalin had just been joking. Roosevelt, however, was serious.

Fortunately, Roosevelt died. Truman however, was as blood thirsty, dropping A-bombs on Japan, acts of terror never before seen in history, with as many civilians murdered as the Allied bombing of Dresden.

Hitler had offered to remove civilians as targets during the war. Churchill and Roosevelt wouldn't agree. The American, British, Russian and Jewish stategy included terrorism and extermination of Germans. That's the real purpose of fake stories of a Jewish holocaust, to make people forget and ignore the real genocide against Germans.

Even Jewish author Sacks, knows and recognizes that Jews murdered Germans.

Sorry, but Deborah didn't put anybody in jail...Irving did that to himself. And Deborah publicly called for Irving to be released.

Here's her web page:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/

And for the complete testimony and reports of the libel lawsuit that David Irving launched against her:

http://www.hdot.org/ieindex.html

Again, read and learn.

I don't think "Skepticism" will, because he's a Flat-Earther, if that's possible, as well as a Holocaust denier, so I wonder how he thinks the Allies moved military forces around the world from 1939 to 1945. But I invite interested folks to review this material for their own edification.
 
The main evidence for the "holocaust" is eyewitnesses, survivors. The main real survivor is French History Professor Paul Rassinier. the Gestapo arrested him for helping Jews cross the border. Rassinier was a communist, a second reason the Gestapo sent him to Buchenwald. He contracted Typhus in a German concentration camp.

after release from the camp, he returned to France, awarded their nation's highest honors for being in the French Resistance against Germany.

But then Prof. Paul Rassinier noticed false propaganda about Germany, false accusations of gas chambers. Rassinier had never seen any gas chambers. He spent decades talking to other camp surivivors, none had seen gas chambers. Rassinier knew Russia had fabricated accusations of gas chambers and a "holocaust." The father of historical revisionism and "holocaust denial" is Prof. Rassinier. The communist party expelled him, when he wrote The Lie, about fake accusations of a Holocaust.

The "survivors" are cited as the main evidence of a Holocaust. In American school, highschools and colleges, it's been mandatory reading for "Fragments" and "Painted Bird" by supposed holocaust "survivors." Fragments was used by Prof. Deborah L. in Georgia in her Holocaust Studies Program, required reading for college students. Supporting "survivor" Benjimin, author of Fragments was another "survivor" Laura Grabowski. She said she was in a camp with Benji. Benji was discovered to be a fake, not even Jewish, never in a war camp. Laura was worse, a fiction writer. but American universities would use their fiction as "evidence" of a holocaust. Even after Jews discovered they were fakes, they promoted the books, Painted Bird and Fragments, with awards and honors.

That's the choice: a real hero, who helped Jews, History Professor Paul Rassinier, who knows the holocaust is a fake, or believe fake fiction writers who wrote fictional novels such as "Painted Bird" and "Fragments."

Meanwhile, "skeptics" are skeptical about anything except the holocaust.
 
What open minded skeptic would ever ask for imprisonment for someone who disagreed with them factually? Maybe the Catholic Church in the dark ages. maybe the witch burners in salem. And maybe the people who promote the holocaust legend?

You have good company. The best evidence for any proposition is the fanaticism of the opponent of the proposition.

If you have torch bearing lynch mob members against you, you probably have a good opinion.

If you have prosecutors seeking prison for denying an historical "fact" in world war two, you probably have the correct opinion.

If you have pig f___ing Southernors trying to tar & feather you, I'd take your side, without even knowing what the argument was about.

When you have totally closed minded idiots prosecuting people for denying the "holocaust," even prosecuting the attorneys who try to defend the defendants, you know you've stepped into the Intolerance Zone, with bizarre creeps from dogma hell. That's what "holocaust" promoters are.
 
The main evidence for the "holocaust" is eyewitnesses, survivors. The main real survivor is French History Professor Paul Rassinier. the Gestapo arrested him for helping Jews cross the border. Rassinier was a communist, a second reason the Gestapo sent him to Buchenwald. He contracted Typhus in a German concentration camp.

after release from the camp, he returned to France, awarded their nation's highest honors for being in the French Resistance against Germany.

But then Prof. Paul Rassinier noticed false propaganda about Germany, false accusations of gas chambers. Rassinier had never seen any gas chambers. He spent decades talking to other camp surivivors, none had seen gas chambers. Rassinier knew Russia had fabricated accusations of gas chambers and a "holocaust." The father of historical revisionism and "holocaust denial" is Prof. Rassinier. The communist party expelled him, when he wrote The Lie, about fake accusations of a Holocaust.

The "survivors" are cited as the main evidence of a Holocaust. In American school, highschools and colleges, it's been mandatory reading for "Fragments" and "Painted Bird" by supposed holocaust "survivors." Fragments was used by Prof. Deborah L. in Georgia in her Holocaust Studies Program, required reading for college students. Supporting "survivor" Benjimin, author of Fragments was another "survivor" Laura Grabowski. She said she was in a camp with Benji. Benji was discovered to be a fake, not even Jewish, never in a war camp. Laura was worse, a fiction writer. but American universities would use their fiction as "evidence" of a holocaust. Even after Jews discovered they were fakes, they promoted the books, Painted Bird and Fragments, with awards and honors.

That's the choice: a real hero, who helped Jews, History Professor Paul Rassinier, who knows the holocaust is a fake, or believe fake fiction writers who wrote fictional novels such as "Painted Bird" and "Fragments."

Meanwhile, "skeptics" are skeptical about anything except the holocaust.

I suggest you start by addressing the criticisms raised in the following:
Holocaust Denial

Holocaust Denier Tactics (article) Michael Shermer examines Holocaust denier tactics.
(from eSkeptic: Novermber 7th, 2004)
Enigma (article) Michael Shermer examines the Faustian Bargain of David Irving.
(from eSkeptic: May 3rd, 2005)
Giving the Devil His Due (commentary) Michael Shermer comments on David Irving’s three-year prison sentence for denying the Holocaust.
(from eSkeptic: March 2nd, 2006)
 
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The main evidence for the "holocaust" is eyewitnesses, survivors. The main real survivor is French History Professor Paul Rassinier. the Gestapo arrested him for helping Jews cross the border. Rassinier was a communist, a second reason the Gestapo sent him to Buchenwald. He contracted Typhus in a German concentration camp.

after release from the camp, he returned to France, awarded their nation's highest honors for being in the French Resistance against Germany.

But then Prof. Paul Rassinier noticed false propaganda about Germany, false accusations of gas chambers. Rassinier had never seen any gas chambers. He spent decades talking to other camp surivivors, none had seen gas chambers. Rassinier knew Russia had fabricated accusations of gas chambers and a "holocaust." The father of historical revisionism and "holocaust denial" is Prof. Rassinier. The communist party expelled him, when he wrote The Lie, about fake accusations of a Holocaust.

The "survivors" are cited as the main evidence of a Holocaust. In American school, highschools and colleges, it's been mandatory reading for "Fragments" and "Painted Bird" by supposed holocaust "survivors." Fragments was used by Prof. Deborah L. in Georgia in her Holocaust Studies Program, required reading for college students. Supporting "survivor" Benjimin, author of Fragments was another "survivor" Laura Grabowski. She said she was in a camp with Benji. Benji was discovered to be a fake, not even Jewish, never in a war camp. Laura was worse, a fiction writer. but American universities would use their fiction as "evidence" of a holocaust. Even after Jews discovered they were fakes, they promoted the books, Painted Bird and Fragments, with awards and honors.

That's the choice: a real hero, who helped Jews, History Professor Paul Rassinier, who knows the holocaust is a fake, or believe fake fiction writers who wrote fictional novels such as "Painted Bird" and "Fragments."

Meanwhile, "skeptics" are skeptical about anything except the holocaust.

If that's your conclusion mr. Facism, then bugger off to Stormfront or any of your other Neo-Nazi scum.
 
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Canada doesn't arrest you for denying the holocaust. It does if you advocate violence against an identifiable group as listed in the Charter.

IE:
The holocaust never happened! : Legal
The holocaust never happened! We should make it! : Illegal

EDIT: it != if
 
For the record...

What open minded skeptic would ever ask for imprisonment for someone who disagreed with them factually? Maybe the Catholic Church in the dark ages. maybe the witch burners in salem. And maybe the people who promote the holocaust legend?

You have good company. The best evidence for any proposition is the fanaticism of the opponent of the proposition.

If you have torch bearing lynch mob members against you, you probably have a good opinion.

If you have prosecutors seeking prison for denying an historical "fact" in world war two, you probably have the correct opinion.

If you have pig f___ing Southernors trying to tar & feather you, I'd take your side, without even knowing what the argument was about.

When you have totally closed minded idiots prosecuting people for denying the "holocaust," even prosecuting the attorneys who try to defend the defendants, you know you've stepped into the Intolerance Zone, with bizarre creeps from dogma hell. That's what "holocaust" promoters are.

...Deborah Lipstadt and many other defenders of the truth have openly opposed the jailing of David Irving and other Holocaust deniers.
 
How to Fisk a Denier

The amount of baloney in this post is truly remarkable

The main evidence for the "holocaust" is eyewitnesses, survivors.

Actually, no, it isn't. There are millions of pages of documents, there were literally thousands of forensic exhumations undertaken across the length and breadth of Europe, and there were thousands of statements made by Germans who had witnessed what went on. E.g. a German Army officer who was disgusted by what the SS were doing and wrote it down in his diary. Just to give one example of many.

The main real survivor is French History Professor Paul Rassinier.

Muahaha. You've fallen hook, line and sinker for a mistranslation. Rassinier was a professeur, which is the title all French high school teachers have. He never taught university.

the Gestapo arrested him for helping Jews cross the border. Rassinier was a communist, a second reason the Gestapo sent him to Buchenwald. He contracted Typhus in a German concentration camp.
after release from the camp, he returned to France, awarded their nation's highest honors for being in the French Resistance against Germany.

Nope, he was never awarded the 'highest honours'. So that's two blatant exaggerations you've claimed about Rassinier before you've even got to your point.

But then Prof. Paul Rassinier noticed false propaganda about Germany, false accusations of gas chambers. Rassinier had never seen any gas chambers.

That's because neither Buchenwald nor Dora-Mittelbau, the ONLY two camps that Rassinier was imprisoned in, didn't have any gas chambers. Talk about myopic.

He spent decades talking to other camp surivivors, none had seen gas chambers.

Funny how he managed to avoid all the camp survivors who had seen gas chambers.

Rassinier knew Russia had fabricated accusations of gas chambers and a "holocaust."

That's funny, last week it was the Americans. Or was it the British? Or the Jews? Or the Poles? Gosh darn you just can't keep the hoaxers straight these days.

The father of historical revisionism and "holocaust denial" is Prof. Rassinier.

This is the only true statement made in this entire post.

The communist party expelled him, when he wrote The Lie, about fake accusations of a Holocaust.

Rassinier was never in the PCF. He was in the SFIO. He wasn't expelled either, he left. That was after he'd been sued for libel. He got sued for libel twice by living survivors and lost.

The "survivors" are cited as the main evidence of a Holocaust.

No they aren't.

In American school, highschools and colleges, it's been mandatory reading for "Fragments" and "Painted Bird" by supposed holocaust "survivors." Fragments was used by Prof. Deborah L. in Georgia in her Holocaust Studies Program, required reading for college students. Supporting "survivor" Benjimin, author of Fragments was another "survivor" Laura Grabowski. She said she was in a camp with Benji. Benji was discovered to be a fake, not even Jewish, never in a war camp. Laura was worse, a fiction writer. but American universities would use their fiction as "evidence" of a holocaust. Even after Jews discovered they were fakes, they promoted the books, Painted Bird and Fragments, with awards and honors.

Please show us a single curriculum which today includes these two books.

That's the choice: a real hero, who helped Jews, History Professor Paul Rassinier, who knows the holocaust is a fake, or believe fake fiction writers who wrote fictional novels such as "Painted Bird" and "Fragments."

Strawman.

Meanwhile, "skeptics" are skeptical about anything except the holocaust.

'skeptics' aren't skeptical that the American Civil War happened either.

:nopity
 
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Hi, I should have introduced myself first but couldn't resist pointing up the glaring mistakes in the resident denier's post above...

Kiwiwriter knows me from various other venues where I've been observing, debating with, debunking and dissecting Holocaust deniers for a book I'm working on.

But as this place largely focuses on debunking 9/11 woo, I'd like to move the conversation on and ask about people's experiences with the crossover between HD and 9/11 Truther arguments.

From what I can see, Jeff Rense, Eric Hufschmid, Daryl Bradford Smith, Christopher Bollyn and a few others on the far-shores of nutsville seem to espouse both 9/11 conspiracy theories as well as 'promoting' Holocaust Denial. And there seems to be some crossover with the internet footsoldiers, too.

The thing that may be of interest to the 9/11 debunkers is that Holocaust denial succeeded for a while in getting itself institutionalised, but has now run out of steam at least in the US. The Institute for Historical Review would be the equivalent of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and was set up in 1979 but hasn't actually *done* anything since circa 2002. It still has a website, and still offers antisemitic commentary to news stories, but they haven't hosted a conference or published an issue of their journal since then. All the same, IHR spokesmen like Mark Weber are invited onto the lunatic fringe's internet radio shows to propagate their stale ideas. And you can of course come across a dozen websites reprinting the old archived material.

But they don't really come up with too many new ideas anymore. The latest wheeze was a YouTube Holocaust Denial version of 'Loose Change' called 'One Third of the Holocaust'. It's curious that while one branch of woo tries to grasp at any 'respectability' it can, another one has almost given up trying to be 'academic' and seems happier to exist as internet fodder.

The encouraging thing also is that the last opinion polls in the US taken about Holocaust Denial indicated that fewer believed it than thought Elvis was still alive. So while the Truthers might be able to point to slightly higher opinion polls at the moment, I doubt they'll last.
 
Hi, I should have introduced myself first but couldn't resist pointing up the glaring mistakes in the resident denier's post above...

Kiwiwriter knows me from various other venues where I've been observing, debating with, debunking and dissecting Holocaust deniers for a book I'm working on.

But as this place largely focuses on debunking 9/11 woo, I'd like to move the conversation on and ask about people's experiences with the crossover between HD and 9/11 Truther arguments.

From what I can see, Jeff Rense, Eric Hufschmid, Daryl Bradford Smith, Christopher Bollyn and a few others on the far-shores of nutsville seem to espouse both 9/11 conspiracy theories as well as 'promoting' Holocaust Denial. And there seems to be some crossover with the internet footsoldiers, too.

The thing that may be of interest to the 9/11 debunkers is that Holocaust denial succeeded for a while in getting itself institutionalised, but has now run out of steam at least in the US. The Institute for Historical Review would be the equivalent of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and was set up in 1979 but hasn't actually *done* anything since circa 2002. It still has a website, and still offers antisemitic commentary to news stories, but they haven't hosted a conference or published an issue of their journal since then. All the same, IHR spokesmen like Mark Weber are invited onto the lunatic fringe's internet radio shows to propagate their stale ideas. And you can of course come across a dozen websites reprinting the old archived material.

But they don't really come up with too many new ideas anymore. The latest wheeze was a YouTube Holocaust Denial version of 'Loose Change' called 'One Third of the Holocaust'. It's curious that while one branch of woo tries to grasp at any 'respectability' it can, another one has almost given up trying to be 'academic' and seems happier to exist as internet fodder.

The encouraging thing also is that the last opinion polls in the US taken about Holocaust Denial indicated that fewer believed it than thought Elvis was still alive. So while the Truthers might be able to point to slightly higher opinion polls at the moment, I doubt they'll last.

What do you think about Finkelstein?
 
anyone who doubts the holocaust is true....should come to nyc or london or los angeles and interview survivors.

only a true schmuck would call all the survivors "liars". but what should we expect from people who believe all the phone calls on flight 77 were faked, no planes hit the wtc, and larry silverstein "pulled" wtc 7?
 
Yup, I know Nick Terry well..

Hi, I should have introduced myself first but couldn't resist pointing up the glaring mistakes in the resident denier's post above...

Kiwiwriter knows me from various other venues where I've been observing, debating with, debunking and dissecting Holocaust deniers for a book I'm working on.

But as this place largely focuses on debunking 9/11 woo, I'd like to move the conversation on and ask about people's experiences with the crossover between HD and 9/11 Truther arguments.

From what I can see, Jeff Rense, Eric Hufschmid, Daryl Bradford Smith, Christopher Bollyn and a few others on the far-shores of nutsville seem to espouse both 9/11 conspiracy theories as well as 'promoting' Holocaust Denial. And there seems to be some crossover with the internet footsoldiers, too.

The thing that may be of interest to the 9/11 debunkers is that Holocaust denial succeeded for a while in getting itself institutionalised, but has now run out of steam at least in the US. The Institute for Historical Review would be the equivalent of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and was set up in 1979 but hasn't actually *done* anything since circa 2002. It still has a website, and still offers antisemitic commentary to news stories, but they haven't hosted a conference or published an issue of their journal since then. All the same, IHR spokesmen like Mark Weber are invited onto the lunatic fringe's internet radio shows to propagate their stale ideas. And you can of course come across a dozen websites reprinting the old archived material.

But they don't really come up with too many new ideas anymore. The latest wheeze was a YouTube Holocaust Denial version of 'Loose Change' called 'One Third of the Holocaust'. It's curious that while one branch of woo tries to grasp at any 'respectability' it can, another one has almost given up trying to be 'academic' and seems happier to exist as internet fodder.

The encouraging thing also is that the last opinion polls in the US taken about Holocaust Denial indicated that fewer believed it than thought Elvis was still alive. So while the Truthers might be able to point to slightly higher opinion polls at the moment, I doubt they'll last.

And he is one of the most formidable minds and honorable people in the fight against Holocaust denial around today. It's been a pleasure to help support his work in a small way and read and study it in a large way.

Folks who hang out at this site should check out Nick's two sites...one is a discussion group on Holocaust denial nutters, and his blog, Holocaust Controversies. holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com, if memory serves. I have it bookmarked, so I forget the exact address.

And he's quite right...there are a lot of connections and similarities between Holocaust denial and 9/11 nutters. A big one: both blame the Jews as evil geniuses behind the horror.
 
Finklestein?

What do you think about Finkelstein?

A man with a penknife to grind.

There are folks who have tried to make money off of the Holocaust, like all human deeds and misdeeds. Museums and educational institutions by their nature spend vast amounts of energy and funds raising more funds. However, the "Holocaust industry" idea is overstated.

And it's worth noting that neo-Nazis have their own "anti-Holocaust industry," selling all kinds of kitsch, including Hitler and Himmler dolls. And William Pierce, author of The Turner Diaries, sold the rights to that ugly book to Lyle Stuart, a Jewish publisher. So much for Aryan unity and honor, I guess...
 
The main real survivor is French History Professor Paul Rassinier.
Does this mean that my grandmother isn't real? Nor are my girlfriends grandparents (3 of 4). Neither are a few of the people I work with? Then again, I can understand how a few of my friends can be considered fake...
 
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it true that in 1941 you were ordered to Berlin to see Himmler? Please state briefly what was discussed.
HOESS: Yes. In the summer of 1941 1 was summoned to Berlin to Reichsfáhrer SS Himmler to receive personal orders. He told me something to the effect--I do not remember the exact words--that the Fáffrer had given the order for a final solution of the Jewish question. We, the SS, must carry out that order. If it is not carried out now then the Jews will later on destroy the German people. He had chosen Auschwitz on account of its easy access by rail and also because the extensive site offered space for measures ensuring isolation.
DR. KAUFFMANN: During that conference did Himmler tell you that this planned action had to be treated as a secret Reich matter?
HOESS: Yes. He stressed that point. He told me that I was not even allowed to say anything about it to my immediate superior Gruppenfáhrer Glácks. This conference concerned the two of us only and I was to observe the strictest secrecy.
DR. KAUFFMANN: What was the position held by Glácks whom you have just mentioned?
HOESS: Gruppenfáhrer Glácks was, so to speak, the inspector of concentration camps at that time and he was immediately subordinate to the Reichsfáhrer.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Does the expression "secret Reich matter" mean that no one was permitted to make even the slightest allusion to outsiders without endangering his own life?
HOESS: Yes, "secret Reich matter" means that no one was allowed to speak about these matters with any person and that everyone promised upon his life to keep the utmost secrecy.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Did you happen to break that promise?
HOESS: No, not until the end of 1942.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Why do you mention that date? Did you talk to outsiders after that date?
HOESS: At the end of 1942 my wife's curiosity was aroused by remarks made by the then Gauleiter of Upper Silesia, regarding happenings in my camp. She asked me whether this was the truth and I admitted that it was. That was my only breach of the promise I had given to the Reichsfáhrer. Otherwise I have never talked about it to anyone else.
DR. KAUFFMANN: When did you meet Eichmann?
HOESS: I met Eichmann about 4 weeks after having received that order from the Reichsfáhrer. He came to Auschwitz to discuss the details with me on the carrying out of the given order. As the Reichsfáhrer had told me during our discussion, he had instructed Eichmann to discuss the carrying out of the order with me and I was to receive all further instructions from him.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Will you briefly tell whether it is correct that the camp of Auschwitz was completely isolated, describing the measures taken to insure as far as possible the secrecy of carrying out of the task given to you.
HOESS: The Auschwitz camp as such was about 3 kilometers away from the town. About 20,000 acres of the surrounding country had been cleared of all former inhabitants, and the entire area could be entered only by SS men or civilian employees who had special passes. The actual compound called "Birkenau," where later on the extermination camp was constructed, was situated 2 kilometers from the Auschwitz camp. The camp installations themselves, that is to say, the provisional installations used at first were deep in the woods and could from nowhere be detected by the eye. In addition to that, this area had been declared a prohibited area and even members of the SS who did not have a special pass could not enter it. Thus, as far as one could judge, it was impossible for anyone except authorized persons to enter that area.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then the railway transports arrived. During what period did these transports arrive and about how many people, roughly, were in such a transport?
HOESS: During the whole period up until 1944 certain operations were carried out at irregular intervals in the different countries, so that one cannot speak of a continuous flow of incoming transports. It was always a matter of 4 to 6 weeks. During those 4 to 6 weeks two to three trains, containing about 2,000 persons each, arrived daily. These trains were first of all shunted to a siding in the Birkenau region and the locomotives then went back. The guards who had accompanied the transport had to leave the area at once and the persons who had been brought in were taken over by guards belonging to the camp.
They were there examined by two SS medical officers as to their fitness for work. The internees capable of work at once marched to Auschwitz or to the camp at Birkenau and those incapable of work were at first taken to the provisional installations, then later to the newly constructed crematoria.
DR. KAUFFMANN: During an interrogation I had with you the other day you told me that about 60 men were designated to receive these transports, and that these 60 persons, too, had been bound to the same secrecy described before. Do you still maintain that today?
HOESS: Yes, these 60 men were always on hand to take the internees not capable of work to these provisional installations and later on to the other ones. This group, consisting of about ten leaders and subleaders, as well as doctors and medical personnel, had repeatedly been told, both in writing and verbally, that they were bound to the strictest secrecy as to all that went on in the camps.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Were there any signs that might show an outsider who saw these transports arrive, that they would be destroyed or was that possibility so small because there was in Auschwitz an unusually large number of incoming transports, shipments of goods and so forth?
HOESS: Yes, an observer who did not make special notes for that purpose could obtain no idea about that because to begin with not only transports arrived which were destined to be destroyed but also other transports. arrived continuously, containing new internees who were needed in the camp. Furthermore, transports likewise left the camp in sufficiently large numbers with internees fit for work or exchanged prisoners.
The trains themselves were closed, that is to say, the doors of the freight cars were closed so that it was not possible, from the outside, to get a glimpse of the people inside. In addition to that, up to 100 cars of materials, rations, et cetera, were daily rolled into the camp or continuously left the workshops of the camp in which war material was being made.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And after the arrival of the transports were the victims stripped of everything they had? Did they have to undress completely; did they have to surrender their valuables? Is that true?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then they immediately went to their death?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: I ask you, according to your knowledge, did these people know what was in store for them?
HOESS: The majority of them did not, for steps were taken to keep them in doubt about it and suspicion would not arise that they were to go to their death. For instance, all doors and all walls bore inscriptions to the effect that they were going to undergo a delousing operation or take a shower. This was made known in several languages to the internees by other internees who had come in with earlier transports and who were being used as auxiliary crews during the whole action.
DR. KAUFFMANN: And then, you told me the other day, that death by gassing set in within a period of 3 to 15 minutes. Is that correct?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: You also told me that even before death finally set in, the victims fell into a state of unconsciousness?
HOESS: Yes. From what I was able to find out myself or from what was told me by medical officers, the time necessary for reaching unconsciousness or death varied according to the temperature and the number of people present in the chambers. Loss of consciousness took place within a few seconds or a few minutes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Did you yourself ever feel pity with the victims, thinking of your own family and children?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: How was it possible for you to carry out these actions in spite of this?
HOESS: In view of all these doubts which I had, the only one and decisive argument was the strict order and the reason given for it by the Reichsfáhrer Himmler.
DR. KAUFFMANN: I ask you whether Himmler inspected the camp and convinced himself, too, of the process of annihilation?
HOESS: Yes. Himmler visited the camp in 1942 and he watched in detail one processing from beginning to end.
DR. KAUFMANN: Does the same apply to Eichmann?
HOESS: Eichmann came repeatedly to Auschwitz and was intimately acquainted with the proceedings.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/hoesstest.html
 
What do you think about Finkelstein?

Finkelstein's book grew out of a review of Daniel Goldhagen's dreadful 'Hitler's Willing Executioners' for the New Left Review. The review article was fairly good, but the subsequent book was hyperbolic.

The idea that the Holocaust has been exploited for political purposes was made more effectively and with greater inside knowledge by Israeli journalist Tom Segev in 1991, in a book called The Seventh Million, which studies Israeli society's relationship to the Holocaust. For example, Menachem Begin had the Holocaust on the brain and this was a national embarrassment while he was Prime Minister. The idea that all Israelis or all Jews think the same way about this is bullship.

The point that the Swiss banks were raided for money... well, was this class-action suit lawyers being lawyers or was it because they were Jewish lawyers? Personally I think it's because they were lawyers.

Much of the rest was strained-carrots verbiage.

Peter Novick's The Holocaust and American Life is a much more informed critique of why the Holocaust became a contemporary US cultural touchstone over the entire postwar era.
 
Nothing is real...

Does this mean that my grandmother isn't real? Nor are my girlfriends grandparents (3 of 4). Neither are a few of the people I work with? Then again, I can understand how a few of my friends can be considered fake...


Well, in the immortal words of George Orwell, from 1984:

Winston Smith: "Does Big Brother exist in the same way I exist?"
O'Brien: "You do not exist."

And in the equally immortal words of Frank McCourt, from my Creative Writing class 30 years ago:

"I pay taxes, therefore I am."
 
Nick, maybe you can help me out. I'm not a Holocaust denier at all, but some years ago I recieved a flyer asking for donations from the Tolerance Museum that really bugged me. It described the Holocaust victims as being 6 million Jews with no mention of the 'other' 6 million non-Jewish victims. I was pretty upset that they forgot about the non-Jewish victims and it seemed they were engaging in some historical revision of their own.

Maybe you can address this topic in your book. There seems to be a tendency for some to present the Holocaust in a Jewish-only context and this gives the Holocaust deniers a valid reason to claim that the Holocaust is being exploited for political purposes. Even someone who believes the Holocaust happened can make this accusation when the Holocaust story is told with half of the victims missing. The fact is the Nazis were killing their own people even before the Holocaust. The Nazi idea of Lebensunwertes Leben, 'life unworthy of life', was the basis for the T-4 program and later, the Holocaust itself. But it seems organizations like the Tolerance Museum were focusing only on anti-semetism as the basis for the Holocaust. I think you need the 'life unworthy of life' concept, add anti-Semetism, and then you can have a Holocaust. I'm not sure how everyone is telling the Holocaust story but at least they should include all of the victims, not just the Jewish ones.
 
Also, let's not forget the large numbers of Chinese that were killed by the Japanese in WWII as well. It was atrocious all around, though, admittedly, the Holocaust does seem to be both a figurehead and lightning-rod for all that occurred.
 

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